Shane Keithe Warne - we salute a true hero

[blue107]

I dont follow Cricket, I dont follow any sport so why would I care?

[warri0r45]

so.... why did you post here in the first place? just to annoy those who actually like the game and admire the achievments of Shane Warne and others who work thier [wagon] of to represent thier country the best they can?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:-s

[rocketman089]

I dont follow Cricket, I dont follow any sport so why would I care?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nah, the question is why would you troll around the forum on topics you know nothing about?

[Guest]

 

 

 

 

warri0r45 wrote:

 

 

 

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He is a hero because hes good at cricket? what has this world come to

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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they are born at being good

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sports stars have to work seriously hard to get where they are.. think of mike hussey (if you were familiar with australian cricket, you would know who he is.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, they really dont. If you are good enough to play professionally (like these guys are)it doesnt matter if they win or lose in school, they can just do what ever they want. They dont have to worry about paying fees for college, keeping up grades etc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

im just going to leave this argument at the fact that you wouldnt understand the game of cricket... these people (take mike hussey for example) have to work very hard, for years before they get selected in the australian team. Even then they are under constant pressure to perform and maintain thier spot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But hey, lets not argue, lets keep this post about the retirement of Warney. ok?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

looking foreward to the boxing day test!! :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ONOZ! THEYS HAVE TO WORK HARDER AND THROW THE BALL HARDER!!! IF THEY DONT GET BETTER THEN THEY WILL ONLY BE MAKING A FEW MILLION A YEAR!! ITS AN OUTRAGE!!!!seriously, do they have to work 3 constant jobs in order to pay school fees like a lot of people do who end up not even making as much in their lifetime as these players make in a year

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can tell you play to many computer games. Your still living in dreamland! :roll: To be the best at what you do and to be at the top of a sport requires hard work and self discipline which is far behond what any Uni Student would have. People don't earn millions of dollars in sport by being natural gifted. They put hours and hours of hard work in (far behond your knowledge) to be the best they can be, and to be the best.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Just wondering, how do you know all of that? like I said earlier people have come out and said what they do is so natural to them that their life is incredibly easy with no challenges

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When I was in high school I was very good at CC, I was Varsity my freshman year and I won most events. It was so easy for me to do it, there werent any obstacles or pressure to do better or to work harder in any way

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know that because for my age I am a successful runner and tennis player and I know what people have to do to be the best. Natural ablility can take you so far, but after that you must put in the "hard yards" to become the best. The hours of hard training they go through isn't make believe, its fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You should read biographies of some famous sports stars, which explain what they have had to go through. So you don't keep on arguing and looking like an idiot trying to tell people that professionals were just born professionals, and didn't have to put in any hard work. :roll:

[blue107]

 

 

 

 

 

warri0r45 wrote:

 

 

 

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He is a hero because hes good at cricket? what has this world come to

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quote:

 

 

 

they are born at being good

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sports stars have to work seriously hard to get where they are.. think of mike hussey (if you were familiar with australian cricket, you would know who he is.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, they really dont. If you are good enough to play professionally (like these guys are)it doesnt matter if they win or lose in school, they can just do what ever they want. They dont have to worry about paying fees for college, keeping up grades etc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

im just going to leave this argument at the fact that you wouldnt understand the game of cricket... these people (take mike hussey for example) have to work very hard, for years before they get selected in the australian team. Even then they are under constant pressure to perform and maintain thier spot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But hey, lets not argue, lets keep this post about the retirement of Warney. ok?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

looking foreward to the boxing day test!! :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ONOZ! THEYS HAVE TO WORK HARDER AND THROW THE BALL HARDER!!! IF THEY DONT GET BETTER THEN THEY WILL ONLY BE MAKING A FEW MILLION A YEAR!! ITS AN OUTRAGE!!!!seriously, do they have to work 3 constant jobs in order to pay school fees like a lot of people do who end up not even making as much in their lifetime as these players make in a year

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can tell you play to many computer games. Your still living in dreamland! :roll: To be the best at what you do and to be at the top of a sport requires hard work and self discipline which is far behond what any Uni Student would have. People don't earn millions of dollars in sport by being natural gifted. They put hours and hours of hard work in (far behond your knowledge) to be the best they can be, and to be the best.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

period

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just wondering, how do you know all of that? like I said earlier people have come out and said what they do is so natural to them that their life is incredibly easy with no challenges

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When I was in high school I was very good at CC, I was Varsity my freshman year and I won most events. It was so easy for me to do it, there werent any obstacles or pressure to do better or to work harder in any way

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know that because for my age I am a successful runner and tennis player and I know what people have to do to be the best. Natural ablility can take you so far, but after that you must put in the "hard yards" to become the best. The hours of hard training they go through isn't make believe, its fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You should read biographies of some famous sports stars, which explain what they have had to go through. So you don't keep on arguing and looking like an idiot trying to tell people that professionals were just born professionals, and didn't have to put in any hard work. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Autobiographies really tell nothing, its not like they are going to say 'its super easy for me to do, no challenges' because that will make them look like a bloke. The guy who said he had no obstacles lost 3 sponsorships after saying that

[warri0r45]

The guy who said he had no obstacles lost 3 sponsorships after saying that

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you know why? because to get sponsorships you have to put in the hard yards, like real sportsman unlike your magical fanatsy 'i dont have to lift a finger to earn millions' sportsman.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its plain and simple to everyone here but you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YOU LOSE.

[thedepressedsquirrel]

YOU LOSE.

 

 

 

Oh my lord such capslock and bold ownage I fear I am to die.

[warri0r45]

Oh my lord such capslock and bold ownage I fear I am to die.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

have you read what blue is trying to argue? ignorance gets annoying when it stacks upon itself post after post.

[Nadril]

 

For example, some of the WW-I or WW-II heros that we hear about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mate, i dont disagree with you for a second on that one. I truly believe there are no greater heroes than war veterans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But that dosent change the fact that Shane Warne did something of great importance in the game of cricket - he showed test cricket what spin bowling really is and made watching cricket for millions of Australians a worthwhile and exiting thing. Now you may not be able to accept that, but millions of australians (and indeed some poms) can.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, I don't doubt for a second he was a great guy. However, a "hero" is too much. Being incredibly good at a sport and entertaining people is not what being a hero is about.

[warri0r45]

"hero" is too much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

let me contextualise what i mean a little bit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Shane Warne - Cricketing hero

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see what you mean perfectly, but youll have to concede (spelling) that the term hero (these days) is used loosely. Think of little kids saying 'hes my hero' what they actually mean is that they admire that person. So when i say that Warney is a cricketing hero, i mean that i, and millions of others, admire him for his contributions to cricket.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Theres no doubting that war veterans are and will always be the greatest of heroes.

[rocketman089]

Oh, I don't doubt for a second he was a great guy. However, a "hero" is too much. Being incredibly good at a sport and entertaining people is not what being a hero is about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you want an athlete who's a hero, I think Lance Armstrong fits the bill. Maybe even for pissy ol' blue107

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@chicken: yeah its getting a wee off topic, but discussions here usually aren't that linear

[chickenkore]

since when did this post become about him being and not being a hero,i thought i made it to celebrate a great career.

 

 

 

what's going on?

[warri0r45]

i, more than most, am dissapointed at where this topic has gone. I know i had a hand in derailing it a bit, but i cant help someone elses ignorance and i couldnt just sit on my hands.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I find it offensive when someone indirectly sais the aussie cricket team are a bunch of slackers who never have to lift a finger and as a result, roll in millions. The fact of the matter is that they have and still work extremely hard to represent thier country (my country[our country]) in they best fasion they can.

[chickenkore]

yeah i'm with you warrior i don't blame you for any of this, i am blaming the ppl who are coming into this thread and posting $hit they know nothing about!

[____]

You can be naturally gifted, yes. But there has NEVER been a naturally gifted WORLD NUMBER ONE, EVER.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It takes years and years of slugging it out with training and disciplin to hit the top. And even more to stay there. Australia is without a doubt the best cricket team in the world, they didn't get there through being gifted, they got there and stayed there through a lot of bloody hard work.

[blue107]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebron_James

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He is the guy I was talking about earlier who had a rough childhood but was so good he never had to work constantly or faced obstacles, he is considered by many to be the greatest basketball player right now

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never said these sports figures didnt have to do anything, all I said is that they dont do as much as anyone who has gone to college, they work a lot harder than these people ever will

[warri0r45]

I never said these sports figures didnt have to do anything, all I said is that they dont do as much as anyone who has gone to college, they work a lot harder than these people ever will

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you still dont get it do you? one example dosent make what everything you said before ok. Try and get your brain around this - there are naturally gifted academics, right? some who even find school and then tertiary studies easy, right? does that mean that they can slack off? - NO. does that mean that they dont have to try? - NO. does that mean that they dont have to work hard for the results? - NO. So now apply this to a sportsman.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

no-one becomes a truely elite sportsman without working for it, even if they are naturally gifted, i dont care how much you say otherwise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Australia is without a doubt the best cricket team in the world, they didn't get there through being gifted, they got there and stayed there through a lot of bloody hard work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

too true.

[blue107]

 

I never said these sports figures didnt have to do anything, all I said is that they dont do as much as anyone who has gone to college, they work a lot harder than these people ever will

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you still dont get it do you? one example dosent make what everything you said before ok. Try and get your brain around this - there are naturally gifted academics, right? some who even find school and then tertiary studies easy, right? does that mean that they can slack off? - NO. does that mean that they dont have to try? - NO. does that mean that they dont have to work hard for the results? - NO. So now apply this to a sportsman.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

no-one becomes a truely elite sportsman without working for it, even if they are naturally gifted, i dont care how much you say otherwise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Australia is without a doubt the best cricket team in the world, they didn't get there through being gifted, they got there and stayed there through a lot of bloody hard work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

too true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. You cant fail in sports if you win every game but dont practice, unlike in academics where if you dont do any work but pass every test it is easy to fail

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Even after being presented evidence that people who are gifted enough never have to work hard you still dont listen. Who said all of these people worked hard? I still dont think that they are working harder than a kid who just got out of high school, working 3 jobs, getting 5 hours of sleep every night and is studying ever chance he gets

[warri0r45]

 

 

 

1. You cant fail in sports if you win every game but dont practice, unlike in academics where if you dont do any work but pass every test it is easy to fail

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

read the bolded text, slowly, 5 times. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so your assuming that the guy in your example never practiced in his life? your assuming that he just went on the court as a kid and blitzed everyone? your assuming that he needed no guidance and he was superiorly smart enough to pick up the game, pick up a ball and simultaneouslty become the best basketballer going around? :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you had two cents to rub together, youd know that he had to work up a sweat, make his brain hurt (or think, as i believe it is called) and learn the game, the plays, the technique, the mindset of the other team, etc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Even after being presented evidence that people who are gifted enough never have to work hard you still dont listen. Who said all of these people worked hard? I still dont think that they are working harder than a kid who just got out of high school, working 3 jobs, getting 5 hours of sleep every night and is studying ever chance he gets

 

 

 

how can you seriously concider one example overwhelming evidence? i think youll find that your example is the 1% minority.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

still dont think that they are working harder than a kid who just got out of high school, working 3 jobs, getting 5 hours of sleep every night and is studying ever chance he gets

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

as for this part.. is this kid you? because that would explain all the resentment your showing towards the supposed 'ease' at which sportstars gain 'millions'... :shame:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Need i remind you that this post is about Shane Warne, you havent even mentioned his name ONCE.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so im going to end this right now. no more arguing. Its christmas time, and on boxing day, Shane warne and the Australian team is going to walk out onto the MCG infront of close to 100,000 screaming fans with millions more watching on TV. This will be a historical moment in cricket, the second last test match for Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath and the last appearane of Warney at his home ground. added to this, Warney is just 1 wicket away from a total of 700 in tests, which will make him the highest wicket taker ever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

just incase you missed it the first time..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Need i remind you that this post is about Shane Warne, you havent even mentioned his name ONCE.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so im going to end this right now. no more arguing.

[thedepressedsquirrel]

ignorance gets annoying when it stacks upon itself post after post.

 

 

 

Then stop posting.

 

 

 

OMG YOU LOSE HURR

[baron8000]

Ok in an attempt to break the flame war...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In my view, Shane Warne is a pretty great chap, an excellent cricketer without doubt, who has undoubtedly contributed to their ashes win. Fair play to him retiring at his peak, many continue too long and lose their prestige to a degree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have a problem with the label of hero however, i would not desribe David Beckham as a hero, nor Martin Johnson for a single reason - Yes they have reached the pinnacle of their chosen area, yes they may have come through adversity to do this but in my mind that does no constitute a hero. Many people everyday work through adversity, lawyers, doctors, policemen, firemen and all the other staples of our society undoubtedly have some people of this type in their number does this make them heroes? Again not in my view. It makes them people to be admired, but not worshipped.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i feel that Mr Warne's hightened media status may have led to his accomplishments being overemphasised - many of the people you see on the street will have acheived similar feats, but due to their area of expertise people don't realise this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This brings me to define what does make a hero? Maybe its saving lifes, maybe its making a serious contibution to society (which, in my view cricket does neither - despite how seriously many take it, it is still just a game as are all sports - after all people could live without cricket) or maybe nobody knows, all I think is that Shane Warne isn't quite there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have digressed awfully, but would like to go back on topic with congratulation to a great sportsman and entertainer who has certainly whupped my country's cricket team into the dirt :)

[warri0r45]

were all entitled to our opinions on what is defined as a hero, so i'll leave that one be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have digressed awfully, but would like to go back on topic with congratulation to a great sportsman and entertainer who has certainly whupped my country's cricket team into the dirt

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:D Aussies FTW!! :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then stop posting.

 

 

 

OMG YOU LOSE HURR

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:-k :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

just in case you missed it..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Need i remind you that this post is about Shane Warne, you havent even mentioned his name ONCE.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so im going to end this right now. no more arguing.

[Guest]

You can be naturally gifted, yes. But there has NEVER been a naturally gifted WORLD NUMBER ONE, EVER.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It takes years and years of slugging it out with training and disciplin to hit the top. And even more to stay there. Australia is without a doubt the best cricket team in the world, they didn't get there through being gifted, they got there and stayed there through a lot of bloody hard work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly what I said Rick. Spot on! :wink: '

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And blue, you really don't get the point that Professional Sportman/woman put in hours and hours more hard work over a longer career than some college/Uni Student balancing 3 Jobs. You're very naive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you honestly think if it were that easy to earn millions in a sports career, that than everyone would do it and not go to College? :roll:

[blue107]

 

You can be naturally gifted, yes. But there has NEVER been a naturally gifted WORLD NUMBER ONE, EVER.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It takes years and years of slugging it out with training and disciplin to hit the top. And even more to stay there. Australia is without a doubt the best cricket team in the world, they didn't get there through being gifted, they got there and stayed there through a lot of bloody hard work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you honestly think if it were that easy to earn millions in a sports career, that than everyone would do it and not go to College? :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is quite easy if you are good enough, I linked you to the guy who was so good he went from high school to the first draft pick for the NBA, he has stated a few times he doesnt practice often and that its very easy for him

[warri0r45]

the boxing day test is underway!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Flintoff won the toss and chose to bat, england are already 1 wicket down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hopefully the rain will stay away and Warney will get a bowl today!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: 700 FOR WARNEY!!!!!! =D> :thumbsup: :thumbsup: =D>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well done mate!!