wioneo Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Has anyone tested whether a crystal or imcando pick is faster overall mining+smithing xp with seren stones? The easiest way to test the speed I think would be to see how long it takes to mine+smelt, say, 200 corrupted ore (30k smith xp) with crystal vs how long it takes to get and smelt 150 ore with imcando (assuming 1/4th incinerated). 1 Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arceus Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I'm going to go out on a limb and just guess that imcando is a better deal, since 25% incinerated is a nice large fraction and done immediately, and the improvement from one pick to another isn't that huge, unless Seren Stones are very much different from other rocks in RS. Unfortunately I can't test myself but it would be interesting to see the results! "Fight for what you believe in, and believe in what you're fighting for." Can games be art? --- My blog here if you want to check out my Times articles and other writings! I always appreciate comments/feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 ^Until you factor in the imcando running out of charges and the significant time wasted in recharging it. In terms of sheer speed crystal is better - crystal is to drag/imcando what dragon is to rune. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lioness Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 For true efficiency the Crystal Pickaxe is far better than the Imcando Pickaxe. Simply the increase of mining exp versus the maximum potential of smithing expees is far beneficial than the potential smithing exp gain as an offset of the loss of mining expees. Basically said, the smithing XP should be obtained through other methods and favour the extra mining experience gained. Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?~ Marianne Williamson For account help/issues, please follow this link: Account Help. If you need further assistance, do not hesitate to PM me or post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bxpprod Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 ^Until you factor in the imcando running out of charges and the significant time wasted in recharging it. In terms of sheer speed crystal is better - crystal is to drag/imcando what dragon is to rune.It continues smelting regardless of charges. [bleep] OFF HOW ARE U SO [bleep]ING LUCKY U PIECE OF [bleep]ING SHIT [bleep] [bleep] [wagon] MUNCHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeEliteOne Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Crystal is better. 1 Inefficiency = fun. That's objective and can't be debated. Ever. Blog to 200m in all skills.Max cape achieved November 5th, 2011.Completionist cape achieved December 29th, 2011.Final Boss title achieved December 28th, 2014.Trimmed completionist cape achieved November 7th, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Crystal is a dragon pickaxe that does extra stuff. It's 12.5% better than rune and imcando. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wioneo Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 For true efficiency the Crystal Pickaxe is far better than the Imcando Pickaxe. Simply the increase of mining exp versus the maximum potential of smithing expees is far beneficial than the potential smithing exp gain as an offset of the loss of mining expees. Basically said, the smithing XP should be obtained through other methods and favour the extra mining experience gained. Do you simply drop corrupted ore? There are of course faster methods, but unless the ore is discarded, increasing the speed at which it is smelted is beneficial. The degree to which it is beneficial is what I'm looking for. I'm going to go out on a limb and just guess that imcando is a better deal, since 25% incinerated is a nice large fraction and done immediately, and the improvement from one pick to another isn't that huge, unless Seren Stones are very much different from other rocks in RS. Unfortunately I can't test myself but it would be interesting to see the results! This is what I was considering, but I would like to see it actually tested. I'll have to wait for more dust to come in, to do it my self or I might just extrapolate based on 12.5% increase from a normal dragon pick if needed. To everyone else, are these assumptions or tested? We know that crystal picks are faster at mining. The question is if that speed can offset smelting 25% less ore. All that is irrelevant of course if you drop the ore. Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I've seen numbers saying that crystal is 12-15% faster mining exp. The saved time should ideally go into r2h smithing on portable forges which break even or profit usually I don't think the xp gained from corrupt is enough to warrant imcandoing or using them (maybe for brawler use since stackable) [2:21:46 PM] Baldvin | Leik: these comp reqs are so bad [2:22:36 PM] Arceus Dark: Time to get...req'd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 12.5% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 12.5% That might be the actual difference in effectiveness, but rates can still vary. [2:21:46 PM] Baldvin | Leik: these comp reqs are so bad [2:22:36 PM] Arceus Dark: Time to get...req'd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baileydafrog Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Crystal is a dragon pickaxe that does extra stuff. It's 12.5% better than rune and imcando.crystal is a tier higher than dragon, imcando is same as dragon not rune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lioness Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 For true efficiency the Crystal Pickaxe is far better than the Imcando Pickaxe. Simply the increase of mining exp versus the maximum potential of smithing expees is far beneficial than the potential smithing exp gain as an offset of the loss of mining expees. Basically said, the smithing XP should be obtained through other methods and favour the extra mining experience gained. Do you simply drop corrupted ore? There are of course faster methods, but unless the ore is discarded, increasing the speed at which it is smelted is beneficial. The degree to which it is beneficial is what I'm looking for. I'm going to go out on a limb and just guess that imcando is a better deal, since 25% incinerated is a nice large fraction and done immediately, and the improvement from one pick to another isn't that huge, unless Seren Stones are very much different from other rocks in RS. Unfortunately I can't test myself but it would be interesting to see the results! This is what I was considering, but I would like to see it actually tested. I'll have to wait for more dust to come in, to do it my self or I might just extrapolate based on 12.5% increase from a normal dragon pick if needed. To everyone else, are these assumptions or tested? We know that crystal picks are faster at mining. The question is if that speed can offset smelting 25% less ore. All that is irrelevant of course if you drop the ore. Like I said before, the extra mining experience gained is offset to the time it takes to get the addition exp need to gain versus time saved smelting the ore by the imcando pickaxe. Seeing the exp rates on the smithing skill is far higher. Simply said, it is better to use Crystal pickaxe regardless of keeping the ore or not and then smith yourself using other methods. This has been tested and confirmed by my fellow EE'ers as well as members from the clan Maxed. Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?~ Marianne Williamson For account help/issues, please follow this link: Account Help. If you need further assistance, do not hesitate to PM me or post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Crystal is a dragon pickaxe that does extra stuff. It's 12.5% better than rune and imcando.crystal is a tier higher than dragon, imcando is same as dragon not rune Oh my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 For true efficiency the Crystal Pickaxe is far better than the Imcando Pickaxe. Simply the increase of mining exp versus the maximum potential of smithing expees is far beneficial than the potential smithing exp gain as an offset of the loss of mining expees. Basically said, the smithing XP should be obtained through other methods and favour the extra mining experience gained.Do you simply drop corrupted ore? There are of course faster methods, but unless the ore is discarded, increasing the speed at which it is smelted is beneficial. The degree to which it is beneficial is what I'm looking for. I'm going to go out on a limb and just guess that imcando is a better deal, since 25% incinerated is a nice large fraction and done immediately, and the improvement from one pick to another isn't that huge, unless Seren Stones are very much different from other rocks in RS. Unfortunately I can't test myself but it would be interesting to see the results!This is what I was considering, but I would like to see it actually tested. I'll have to wait for more dust to come in, to do it my self or I might just extrapolate based on 12.5% increase from a normal dragon pick if needed. To everyone else, are these assumptions or tested? We know that crystal picks are faster at mining. The question is if that speed can offset smelting 25% less ore. All that is irrelevant of course if you drop the ore. Like I said before, the extra mining experience gained is offset to the time it takes to get the addition exp need to gain versus time saved smelting the ore by the imcando pickaxe. Seeing the exp rates on the smithing skill is far higher. Simply said, it is better to use Crystal pickaxe regardless of keeping the ore or not and then smith yourself using other methods. This has been tested and confirmed by my fellow EE'ers as well as members from the clan Maxed.Not doubting the info but do you have numbers or sources for the data? I would like it for future references [2:21:46 PM] Baldvin | Leik: these comp reqs are so bad [2:22:36 PM] Arceus Dark: Time to get...req'd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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