anonymous1234

Morally, no. My morals say yes.

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You won't alter your opinions even if evidence is provided to you? And a lot of legality is determined by our sense of morality: look at the change in laws regulating prostitution and marijuana. I would alter my opinions based on factual evidence, but there are people in this thread saying it was "wrong" to let the house burn. They are clearly not being swayed by the fact that the family didn't pay the fee.

You're exactly right; morality is opinion-based (I worded that sentence a little oddly, sorry). This is why it is pointless to argue about it. People are not going to change their morals because of factual evidence and legality.

No one (including myself) is here arguing definitions. Since when does a dictionary come into play concerning morality? The only example that comes to mind is the white-washing of the term "genocide". Several people were saying how it was not a tax, and instead was a fee. This is true, but in this circumstance, the latter is essentially a replacement for the former. Without clear definitions of what something is, you can't go around debating what something isn't. I did not include morals in my final sentence, I was merely basing it off of the definitions I looked up, and that objectively, the Fire Department had no obligation to put the fire out. Arguing morals here is pointless, because people will have differing opinions.

According to merriam-webster.com, a tax is "a charge usually of money imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes." A fee, on the other hand, is "a sum paid or charged for a service" (The first definition given was in regards to feudal lords) http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tax%5B2%5D http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fee?show=0&t=1286666705 The main difference I can see is that taxes are mandatory, while fees are paid if one desires a service. In the current situation, the people did not pay taxes as they were under no obligation, and did not pay the optional fee, whether by accident or otherwise. If the family did not at any point support the F.D. through paid taxes, and were not paying the fee at the time of the fire, I do not see how the F.D. is obligated to service them.

That was worth waiting the minute of nothing happening :lol:

Well, one way it can be beneficial is that it sends out a wake-up call to people currently not paying the $75. At the same time, charging the family an incredibly high fee for the emergency because they weren't covered can also be a shock to the uninsured.

Another question is, where are these "morals" coming from? Because if we aren't obtaining these "morals" from a uniform source (the law), how do many come to such a united consensus? Religion? Human nature?

The definition of truth does not differ from person to person. Truth is objective. The simple fact that "right" had definitions for both "truth" and "opinion" is contradictory. Putting in a subjective opinion here, I think that it makes more sense to keep the word right to mean true, and change the opinion version to "morality" or "justice." It does not make sense to use the same word for an objective and subjective meaning. Righteous is almost exclusively used in regards to opinions. Instead of continually using the word "right" in this discussion, how about we avoid confusion and say "justified?" It is more accurate and has a more uniform definition.

Righteous is not the same thing as right. Also on that page were several definitions of the "absolute truth" version of right. conforming to facts or truth : correct <the right answer> genuine, real acting or judging in accordance with truth or fact <time proved her right>

Did i mention piracy (the software thing, not with the ships ;<) is still legal here if you dont share it with others (IE download but dont upload) I think that's kind of the case here as well. At any rate an American pirate can get away with it if he doesn't share it, according to a cousin who pirates. Not the case, the government has been cracking down on piracy lately, and there is the chance that what you download will be logged and tracked. Unless of course you're smart and use a proxy.

Precisely. There's no difference between what's "morally right" and what "should be done". When we're talking about morality, objective truth is impossible so I don't understand why you would give me the objective definition of "right". Because there is no subjective definition of "right." There's moral, fair, and "should," but the word "right" (I actually prefer "correct") is a truth, not an opinion.

I'd prefer to hold off a little while as well due to school work, but I'm sure if necessary I can scrounge together some time to battle every now and then.

Okay, then what is the definition of "right"? :unsure: "Right"- correct: free from error; especially conforming to fact or truth. Morals do not make you "right." The fact that an American dollar has the same value as 100 pennies is "right." Saving someone's house from a fire isn't "right," it's morally subjective.

If they pay taxes, they should be protected. If they don't pay taxes, and didn't pay for fire protection, then it's their fault. /Thread.

So all TM's are HM's?

Similar to the naked photo teat, but less extreme, if you are a guy think of the people you would trust with a picture if you in a bra/bikini. They aren't necessarily friends, but you know you can trust them.

Oh, so it isn't just me. Not that I checked multiple times or anything.

Why wouldn't any 28-year-olds be taking part in the DDoS attacks? All you do is set up a program and walk away, you don't need to be at the computer 8 hours a day.

You'd be surprised at the demographics of people on 4chan. They also don't pretend that they don't need to belong, many do belong, and are normal people. I don't know who told you that 4chan is full of wanna-be non-comformists, but this isn't the case.

As long as they're led by Google and Microsoft. Microsoft will organize it, but won't join because they're going for isolationism. But after all the other OS's start getting taken down by the Apple Powers, Microsoft is going to have to do something to end the destruction of millions of data files. On Topic, you can't stop pirates without breaking down everybody's door, so I'm all for antagonizing anti-piracy grouos.

You are beginning to worry me. It's almost like you're implying.. no.. surely not. Yes, I am implying that pedophiles aren't all devil-spawn that belong on Dateline NBC.

Ah, more ignorance. Pedophiles aren't all rapists. Most have self control like normal people. I'm sure most have seen it before. It's quite common.