i reckon you do have a point, back when i was there i would notice one lvl 120+ giving out oders to lvl 100+ and see them all obeying without thinking 'what's in this for me'? because in the end the lvl 120+ is just using these idiots to kill all competition so he can get the tokkul. :wink: as for eating or potting, i did it once got owned and flamed for being a 'nub', i banked and withdraw my torag plate and verac skirt and killed to two lame guys who were goading me. i know there are no rules or honour but if someone were to team with me and i accept, backstabing will not happen unless we are the two remaining and we battle for it.