Frankie_Ya

Beautiful post at the first one :) I miss RSC so much. It was so much better then the new runescape could ever be. The community was a thousand times better, the gamign was tougher and a bit slower paced making it take even longer to do stuff, meaning those good at a skill really dedicated themselves to it (I used to mine, cook and fish, now I can do all skills and gain tons of levels fast). Of course, I love the ease of Runescape now, it just will never compare to the incredible time I had in classic.

Hey all, this is a really old rant, the 3,000 rant, from when the GE came out. I am posting as is. I found this going through my old folders - The Fall of Runescape? Just a little background info before I copy and paste the most convincing argument, Runescape took a turn for the worst the once one million two hundred thousand players is now down to about four hundred thousand, in 2 days. Kiido 11 15-Dec-2007 06:02:37 Last edited on 15-Dec-2007 14:04:12 by Kiido 11 3,000 - A Rant Please help to keep this thread bumped! I have limited time on the internet, so ill really need your help for this! (2nd Remake - The spam beast fed my first two threads to the dreaded page 51 monster Bumping is crucial!!) Before I begin, I'd like to implore the readers of this rant to follow some simple rules 1) No spamming - I dont despise it, to be honest...but it IS unnecessary and might get this thread locked. 2) Flaming - Everyone is permitted to his or her own opinion, and everyone else should respect that. 3, TO MODS) If anything is this thread is deemed inappropriate, please let me know, and I shall edit it out. It may take some time as I have limited time on the computer, but I promise it will be done Now that Ive cleared that up...we can get on with the rant. _________________________________ Contents _________________________________ 1) Introduction 2) 3000, the death of Duelling 3) The grand Failure 4) Jagex PK's PKing 5) 3000, the death of Friendship and Trust 6) 3000, a look into the future 7) Conclusion (On 2nd page, post 1) Kiido 11 15-Dec-2007 06:02:50 Last edited on 15-Dec-2007 06:05:02 by Kiido 11 1) Introduction _________________________________ 3,000. The number of the future RuneScape. In time, the entire game will revolve around this number. It is the number that will ruin RuneScape and, eventually, bring about its death. In fact, the time of 3,000 has already begun Kiido 11 15-Dec-2007 06:02:56 Last edited on 15-Dec-2007 06:05:25 by Kiido 11 2) 3000, the death of Dueling _________________________________ "20 November 2007 - Duel Arena Tournaments and Changes There is now a cap to the amount a player can win in the space of 15 minutes in a staked duel, which is set to 3,000 coins. This limit will make it harder for real-world traders to unfairly use the Duel Arena as a covert way of transferring items. Of course, if you want to take part in some high-stakes duelling you now have the duel tournaments instead!" -The news archives 20th November, 2007, saw the release of an update that many people regarded (at the time) to be the worst move Jagex had ever made. Thousands of people play RuneScape solely to duel, and many more have built their fortunes over this great miningame. With this release, people were no longer able to stake any more then 3k, peanuts to even a newbie, in a duel. Duelling, a beloved relic of old RuneScape, lost its zest overnight. Why waste months training up an account, waste gold buying potions and other dueling supplies, if all it earns us is a measly 3,000 gold? Level 3 accounts can make more than this in the span of 15 minutes. Of course, as Jagex so reassuringly claims, we can take part in a duel tournament instead! Why not, rather than earn money in a 1-on-1 duel, where the only thing keeping you from death is pure skill, we should pit ourselves in front of 63 other vicious, desperate duelers who will do anything to win, and pray that we somehow survive to be the last man standing? Nevermind that thousands of players had the game ruined for them. At least Real World Traders have been inconvenienced. Hallelujah. Kiido 11 15-Dec-2007 06:03:00 Last edited on 15-Dec-2007 06:05:50 by Kiido 11 3) The Grand Failure _________________________________ "26 November 2007 - The Grand Exchange Are you fed up of trying to be heard above a crowded Varrock Marketplace? Are you tired of organising to meet players who want to trade with you? Do you just want to get on with the things you enjoy, rather than standing around, hoping that someone wants your full splitbark armour? If the answer is "yes" to any of those questions, then Brugsen would like to direct you to his marvellous new Grand Exchange!" -The news archives Wow, now doesnt that sounds like the spiffiest thing ever? -Enter, 5%, the cousin of 3,000- In what might have been a marvelous update, came the downfall of the economy, price restrictions. What happened to the free economy of RuneScape? What happened to letting the players decide their own prices? With the Grand Exchange operating on (completely off) prices set by the almighty Jagex, and players having not choice but to go by these prices, with a meager variation margin of 5%, the RuneScape economy took a big hit. Raw sharks dropped to 600-700 gp each, bowstrings from 170 each to 130-140 each. Thousands of people lost millions, simply because Jagex in all its wisdom decided to take a swipe at a handful of Real World Traders, people who had hardly ever made even the slightest negative impact on the general population of the game. And NPC shops were not spared, either. Forced to follow the price guidelines of the G.E, a totally unrelated aspect of the game, shops were left with numerous ridiculous faults. Why buy sell an item if it costs a hundred times more to buy back? While this has been fixed in certain shops (ie, Blast Furnace, Tai Bwo Wannai), on the whole I, and many others, are now terrified to use shops. If we sell items at normal prices, why *MUST* we buy them at G.E prices? -continued on next post- Kiido 11 15-Dec-2007 06:03:04 Last edited on 15-Dec-2007 06:06:09 by Kiido 11 Only a few months before the update, Jagex claimed to have a brilliant RWT-detection system. Ironic, isnt it, that Jagex has to introduce these price restriction to combat real world traders, if they had such a wonderful detection system in the first place. Simply put, remove price restrictions, please. If price restrictions werent bad enough, the G.E update itself was asinine, in my opinion. RuneScape has been running on a free market ever since its conception. Players work, gather treasure and resources, and then step into a crowded marketplace, shouting and displaying their wares, hoping to be noticed above the crowd. It was hard work, but it was enjoyable, albeit repetitive, and it added a sense of spirit to the game. The Grand Exchange killed all that. With buyers automatically buying at the absolute lowest price, and sellers automatically accepting the highest offer for their bids, there is no longer any variation or sense of freedom the the market. No more crowds of people in the bustling throng of Falador park or Varrock West, rubbing shoulders finding others to trade with. Merchants, an entire breed of player, were put out of the job. While some may argue that this has benefited them greatly, as far as GP goes, is it really how we want this game to end up? RuneScape, void of its player spirit, now feels more like a bank transaction. Mechanical, dull, and downright boring. Kiido 11 15-Dec-2007 06:03:11 Last edited on 15-Dec-2007 06:06:51 by Kiido 11 4) Jagex PKs PKing _________________________________ "10 December 2007 - Wilderness Changes, Bounty Hunter and Clan Wars! In the centre of the Wilderness lies Bounty Hunter. This is a dangerous activity, in which you will also be skulled, meaning that you will lose all your items if you die. As described above, this is essentially the original PKing game that has always been in the wilderness, but is now in its own dedicated area, along with a few twists and changes." I am lost for words. This update has disgusted me more than anything I have seen in the history of RuneScape (yes, including the time I collected camel dung and put it on my amulet). One day before this update, my friend mentioned on my clan chat that Jagex was going to remove pking. Hah! Ridiculous! They would lose half their players! were among the responses to this dreadful statement. How agonized were we when it came true, only 24 hours later. The entire wilderness had been warped and twisted, moulded into three god-ugly craters in the middle of nowhere. Pking is gone, players can no longer roam the deadlands of the wilderness, scouting for treasure and hunting down the unfortunate passer-by. But as Jagex says "this is essentially the original PKing game that has always been in the wilderness". I can understand previous "safeguards" added to the game, such as the infamous rune essence update, or the innumerable random events that plague me as I go about my daily business, but this is one step too far. -continued on next post- Kiido 11 15-Dec-2007 06:03:16 Last edited on 15-Dec-2007 06:07:48 by Kiido 11 Revenant ghosts now roam the wilderness, doing what PKers should be doing in the first place. But with one difference, they attack at will, assaulting anyone regardless of level, purpose, or what items they carry. So whether you venture into the wilderness for adventure, to mine some rune ore, or simply to explore, you will be teleblocked, frozen, and blasted into oblivion by a monster whose rightful place is nowhere other than the God Wars Dungeon. Taking the wilderness, which as always been as much a part of RuneScape as bad-graphics, and mangling it beyond all recognition, was a bad move, whatever point of view it is looked at from. I must say that at least a fifth of active RuneScape players play this game solely for its PKing system. Bounty Hunter is not essentially the original PKing game, its an entirely different cup of tea, and it is awful. RuneScape PKing is unique. It is one of the sole aspects of this game which bring it on-par with other games that have greatly superior graphics or gameplay. RuneScape PKing is unique, and it can never be replaced. No, not even essentially. Kiido 11 15-Dec-2007 06:03:16 Last edited on 15-Dec-2007 06:08:26 by Kiido 11 5) 3000, the death of Friendship and Trust _________________________________ "10 December 2007 - Trade and Drop Changes To remove real-world trading from RuneScape, we must stop the gold sellers' ability to function. We believe that the best and only way to do this will be to stop unbalanced trade. For a trade to be 'balanced', the total value of the items being given must be within 3,000gp of the items being received. For example you WOULD be allowed to trade an item worth 15,000gp for an item worth 17,000gp (because the DIFFERENCE is less than 3,000gp). You will be limited to a 3,000gp gain or loss every 15 minutes." -The news archives Balance. It is a strong word to use. Lets take a look at the balance this update will bring to the game _________________________________ -4 players are battling the Kalphite queen. Imagine their excitement when they finally receive a Dragon Chainbody drop, after hours of hard work. Too bad there are only three alternatives from hereon out. One, sell the chain, split the money and get banned. Two, continue killing the KQ until they receive one chain each. Or three, simply let the person who received the drop keep it, totally devaluing the effort put in by the other three people. Perfect Balance. -A level 126 player, with riches beyond imagination, decides one day to balance out his wealth by donating to new players. He gives ONE, just ONE, set of full steel to a level 3 in Lumbridge. He gets banned. Balance indeed. -All players have to follow the price setting on every item in the game. Selling any item for more or less than 3,000 coins from the price Jagex has set warrants a ban. Jagex dictates the economy, players have no freedom. Never has this game seen more balance. _________________________________ -continued on next post- Kiido 11 15-Dec-2007 06:03:22 Last edited on 15-Dec-2007 06:09:05 by Kiido 11 No update has ever hit RuneScape harder than this one. Players no longer decide the prices. In fact, they get banned if they dont strictly follow the prices Jagex has set. Gifts are a thing of the past. One cannot give so much as a mithril plate to help a friend in need. Just lending an item to a friend to try on puts you in risk of being banned. Simply splitting loot is punishable by law. Rewarding your friends for spending hours by your side fighting horrific beats only gets you banned. Lootshare is a terrible excuse for this problem, as drop percentages vary FAR too much for this to be any use. Law/Nature rune running? You get banned for getting back your own runes! This is not balance, Jagex. This is the murder of the great game of RuneScape I used to love. Kiido 11 15-Dec-2007 06:03:23 Last edited on 15-Dec-2007 06:10:07 by Kiido 11 6) 3000, a look into the future _________________________________ Having seen the updates of the past month, a dueling stake limit of 3000 gp, a trade limit of 3000 gp, the complete and utter destruction of the economy, wilderness, and pking, I have now come to realize that there is no action too severe that Jagex will not take. Alas, these are my predictions for the upcoming year, perhaps the path that Jagex will choose, completely obliterating any form of success or reputation that RuneScape has built up over the years. _________________________________ January 2008- Having seen the disapproval the wilderness change prompted, Jagex implements another change: The entire removal of the wilderness. This stops real world traders from using any form of the wilderness to sell RS gold. February 2008- 3,000 gold is now the limit you are allowed to earn everyday. Earning any more then this will be regarded as an attempt to raise money for Real World Trading. March 2008- Jagex removes the trade system. Every single item in the game is now available as shop stock in the Grand Exchange. No item costs any more then 3,000 gold. This is the ultimate blow to real world traders, but only 30% of the original RuneScape population remains. April 2008- Following up on the removal of the trade system, Jagex removes the drop system. Any item to be discarded can be refunded at the Grand Exchange for 3,000 gold. May 2008- The sequel to Mournings End part 2 is released. The usual anti-RWT update is not released as there are no longer any RuneScape real world traders. As only 4% of the games original population remain, there is simply not enough demand for RS gold. June 2008- Jagex realizes that the cost of running the game outweighs their earnings from it. RuneScape is shut down, and the once-great game ceases to exist except in the memories of its ex-players. The game is not even 8 years old. _________________________________ Conclusion on next page, post 1> Kiido 11 15-Dec-2007 06:03:29 Last edited on 15-Dec-2007 06:10:19 by Kiido 11 7) Conclusion _________________________________ Sadly, these predictions may actually come true if Jagex decides to continue with the horrific changes it has implemented over the last month. Mention some of these updates a few years ago, and you would have been regarded as a raving lunatic. At this rate, the changes that might strike RuneScape in the future...well, I'll leave that up to you to imagine. Please Jagex, Real World Traders were merely an itch on the head of RuneScape. Did you really have to decapitate the whole game because of them? RuneScape is a game, not a prison, not a dictatorchip, and DEFINITELY not what Jagex is trying to make it. But Jagex really seems to be forgetting that. Now I wont say Im quitting or anything of the sort, because it is a futile and ineffective gesture. However, I will say this: Lose the update, Jagex, or lose your players. Or you can continue to destroy the game you worked so hard to create. And after all this is over, guess how many players you will have left? About 3,000.

No support... but you really went all out on this. Good effort

Since Jagex is awsome and reads this forum, they fixed it

sweet! I'm a go try it. By table, do yoy mean in my Dining room?

I don't support.

Mio Membere! I'm a member, but I don't really mind if you got more space. Hell that'll be good if I start a new account or if I loose my current membership. Actually no my bank is nearly full but you get the picture. For some reason I smell a mass ban approching... But I could just be another conserned supporter.

Good idea! *Support.*

Can you elaborate on what happened? It randomly appeared in your hands?

how do you do it?

That is very sad :(

Damn you value! Whereever I post you always post after me! #-o

Your ideas are short and sweet, so I don't support. Your first idea I am not really getting... Why would you want to go back to where you were? If I telliported to D K Y (Fremmy I believe) then why would you want me to telly back from where I came? As for the second one it isn't anoying at all...... I think your just crazy :o I hate how runescape has become a clicking game. And people are too lazy to click.

But I have fun re-opening the door for hours upon hours, until they finally get bored, realizing I have no life. :( But I support. There are plunty of doors and noobs elsewhere :(

I support, where is your support list? Well anways, I support, but this will end up being taken away due to young kids playing the game, getting banned, and getting tricked by waiting 10 hours to be reliesed, and will be ranting Jagex at every possible moment.