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well i did 3 trips in barrows today and 1st trip i got double item ahrim staff and dh legs but on the 3rd load, i didn't expect this lol at first i was 2 lazy to post this but ...just read the comments those noobs made me do it :wall: :wall:

omgz nao i no how to range abbies!!!

I've done more PVP (over 900 hours and counting) then almost anyone else I've ever met. And torso stinks for PVP, very badly. Barrows makes it look pathetic. If you can't afford the 3k per hour repair cost you shouldn't be doing PVP, as you would have to do 2,000+ hours of PVP just to break even with the time spent on torso - all the time fighting with vastly inferior torso stats. Perception. Some ppl prefer the torso over barrows like me. To me winning a fight isn't everything. I want to own...and if i lose so be it. I still remembered the time i hit 46 on my 99 def friend, he higher lvl then me. I 3 hit him. U may say its luck but i hit the 46. Which wuld not of happend without the +4 str bonus from the torso. everying goes backt o perception and my\others views you can say torso is inferior as much as you want. but to me its not, to others its not. and i stand by my point.

Here's some FACTS. Your having a problem confusing them with opinions: [FACTS] Torso is NOT worth getting, the time taken to get a torso far outweighs the benefits If you do get a torso, you will get faster XP by dropping it and putting on a proslyte plate\dharoks plate. On certain strength levels it will raise your max hit by 1, but this is fairly unlikely and will most likely not be noticeable; a significant amount of XP will be sacrificed for this. [/FACTS] [OPINION] Every now and then I hit 1 higher with torso, even though I'm getting less XP, I prefer that over getting more XP but occasionally seeing 1 lower hit with a different platebody [/OPINION] Ur "facts" does not answer my perception argument. I value torso above any extra exp i wuld of lost trying to get it. So in the end, I wont' drop torso thxkbai. Anywayz by the time i max my stats, i really could careless about faster exp i can get. 8 hours to getting torso doesn't mean that i am going to use 8 hours on training or making money. If u say in the long run that torso isn't worth it, but we only dumped 8 hours on it. There isn't any guarantee that in those 8 hours anyway wuld train.

I'm not always efficient, but I do factor fun into it : Incorrect. Realistically: Even if you love BA and do end up getting a torso, simply drop it; your wasting a bank space. Wrong. See above. Regardless of how much you love BA, you might as well drop the torso. It's worthless. I view differently. I like the torso, I wont drop it because its worth it to me. Its worth the time i spent on it.

But why? The +4 str is not worth the time you lost. It just mathematically isn't. be more specific please. additionally, i will stand on my argument. I value torso and its +4 str over any money, and exp i could of gotten. Mathematically, I don't care. lol no offense, but it gets it through i think. Be more specific? Read my post. Your wasting millions and slowing your training down for the imaginary 'training' advantage you think your getting. But like i said, I value torso over all that. it goes back a perception argument. If someone likes torso, they get it because they like it and it outweighs any exp or money they would get. No, it will not outweigh any exp or money they would get unless they train for hundreds of millions of exp. Perception is useless here, you are fundamentally wrong. 1 + 1 cannot be perceived to equal anything other than 2. The fun factor holds no mathematical value, so please stop using that. I disagree with that; fun is very important. The problem is, most of the torso are being obtained via the incorrect assumption that they are worth using, not because players love BA. The reality is that your better off dropping it. See above. perception is the whole argument here, please do not dismiss it as my opinion, as this whole thing is ur opinion as well. What your trying to do is trying to take my viewpoint away. I value torso over any time wasted on doing anything else. if there is nothing u can say to that then don't. But don't dismiss it as something that counter acts and disagrees with ur "fact" about torso not being worth it. as i said, i percieve\value torso differently.

Playing the game for FUN. Exactly what I do. I happen to hate BA, and there's a multitude of threads asking 'is fighter torso really worth it?'. No, it's not, your waisting a huge amount of time. If you really enjoy BA more then anything else in game you could be doing (I love PVP, as an example), then sure, go ahead and have fun; consider the torso a slight bonus that would be better off dropped :P (proslyte\dh plate > torso for everything) For the rest of us who don't love BA, it's not worth getting. And I happen to enjoy conceiving the best way to be efficient. Hence why I do it, even if it isn't efficient : How ironic, mr. efficiency isn't efficient. Anywho, yeah it isn't worth it, unless you enjoy seeing slightly higher hits, or if you care about looks, neither of these are very efficient. i agree, but the bottom line is IF U DONT' LIKE TORSO\ BA, u think its a waste of time, not worth it IF U DO LIKE TORSO\BA, u think torso is definately worth it. perception ppl. lets stop repeating what we already said and just end this, we think differently on how torso is valued

Playing the game for FUN. Exactly what I do. I happen to hate BA, and there's a multitude of threads asking 'is fighter torso really worth it?'. No, it's not, your waisting a huge amount of time. If you really enjoy BA more then anything else in game you could be doing (I love PVP, as an example), then sure, go ahead and have fun; consider the torso a slight bonus that would be better off dropped :P (proslyte\dh plate > torso for everything) For the rest of us who don't love BA, it's not worth getting. And I happen to enjoy conceiving the best way to be efficient. Hence why I do it, even if it isn't efficient : Perception: if you don't like BA, then there is no reason y u should get torso, because u prob don't value it as much.

But why? The +4 str is not worth the time you lost. It just mathematically isn't. be more specific please. additionally, i will stand on my argument. I value torso and its +4 str over any money, and exp i could of gotten. Mathematically, I don't care. lol no offense, but it gets it through i think. Be more specific? Read my post. Your wasting millions and slowing your training down for the imaginary 'training' advantage you think your getting. But like i said, I value torso over all that. it goes back a perception argument. If someone likes torso, they get it because they like it and it outweighs any exp or money they would get.

Yes, but then I'd have to get into the whole degrading thing argument, even though it's obviously worth it. This was just a very simple yet very efficient way to silence torso advocates; save yourself 6m and buy an adamant chainbody for faster training. It's a great way to argue, even though it seems absurd when you first look at it :P Perception. I value the torso then 6 mil, additionally, faster training eventually is irrelevant when u max your stats. I want to hit 46s on whip without buying a bandos plate, which is 12mil. Like i said, my perception shifts my view and I do not evaluate any mathematical data or any efficiency that saves me if i don't get the torso.

But why? The +4 str is not worth the time you lost. It just mathematically isn't. be more specific please. additionally, i will stand on my argument. I value torso and its +4 str over any money, and exp i could of gotten. Mathematically, I don't care. lol no offense, but it gets it through i think.

its all based on perception i value the torso and its +4 str over the money i could of made or and exp i could of gotten lost in getting the torso at barb assault

get tassets nub!!! ur slayer outfit shks@@!@!@!@! haha am i in ur 97 atk pic yet

go dai :wall: :wall: oh...i look hawt in hd \

lassar teleport lol while watching the olympics i was 95 magic on monday, then got 99 on friday. Yeah thats right, i clocked around 800k exp per day. If u noticed how law rune prices has sharply dropped 40gp for some reason, tho i can't prove it thats all my part, but lets just say i have a major part in making it drop... For the ppl that goes like 4 99s isn't a big deal or stuff or its an easy cape. I can agree wit you that combat is easy but exp is still exp there is no way u can clock more than a set exp per hour for a skill.

:cry: i havn't gotten a single hilt yet!!! the only drop i ever got was a zam spear when it was only 500k :cry: :cry: =D> *claps* at ur luck not at u lol gj

I'll agree wit the str one, cuz that was just sad wit 2 ppl lol FL...yeah nooby cape not worth wasting 1 hour for party attack, it was sorta good i mean me and 99 hp friend got at the same time magic...okay don't blame me, werid muteing tbh. i try to get my friend on aim, by typing aim on floor by dropping hammers and he still doesn't get it... so later i just settled wit these 2 friends =\

okay i was hoping someone wuld actually notice it, there is 3 hints tbh. all of them very obvious {1}...look at my atk lvl ups, it has 99 fl right on there o.o {2} although it isn't clear, i am pretty sure thats a fl cape on the last picture o.0 {3} my str cape magically trimmed itself while i was training atk o.0 Photoshopped most lykli Kidding, but it'd be nice to have a pic yeah i no ="( *sniffs* *digs in comp to try and find pic* P.C. I never knew u could type that small :

okay i was hoping someone wuld actually notice it, there is 3 hints tbh. all of them very obvious {1}...look at my atk lvl ups, it has 99 fl right on there o.o {2} although it isn't clear, i am pretty sure thats a fl cape on the last picture o.0 {3} my str cape magically trimmed itself while i was training atk o.0

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: well this is for the whole summer so i dont' think its good posting on the month thingy...so here is is =D> Congratz to kingofthecav on his 99 hp, soz i couldn't make it, i lagged out =( i'll try to get this in the order i got them [hide=strenght]98 str 99 str first 44 =) [/hide] [hide=fletching]yeah ... um lol i have no clue where the picture is omfg... lol but i did get it this summer for my str cape trim =) *hint* *hint* if u look at the atk pics below u might notice something *hint* *hint*[/hide] [hide=attack]96 atk 97 atk and 80 slay same time 98 atk 99 atk - wit friend getting 99 hp at the same time =) [/hide] [hide=magic]SOZ if i made law rune prices drop by like 40gp lol, i occasionally kept on buying 4k at a time and so...plz don't blame me for all u rcers out there :ohnoes: :ohnoes: i am gonna get shot i swear... 95 magic ~ monday august 11 [that is i started training from 95 magic on the 11th] 96 magic ~ tuesday august 12 ...sorta missed the pic lol 97 magic ~ wednesday august 13 98 magic ~ thursday august 14 99 magic ~ friday august 15 [i was muted for 1 hour even tho it said 24 hours, and quickly unmuted after 99 mage...no party cuz i was muted. I never had a blk mark until now and looking at the evidence...its just so sad tbh] [/hide] [hide=others]1st d med drop ~ only d spear to go for every d drop I was lucky i looked at this 5k before lvl :ohnoes: And thats pretty much the main part of my summer achievements, well i got drops but thats just too much =( [/hide] feel free to ask me questions.

lol ive done over a thousand lvl 3 clues nvm, i didnt mean to get into a big discussion over this i just thought it was a fun reward to post... Only? I've done at LEAST over 9000. On topic: Why so serious everyone? Everyone gets bad clues once in a while, it's not like you had your pen disappear or something... Pardon my lameness. If you actually copy and pasted this to read what I'm saying, I've just wasted your time. At least 9000 is an big over exaggeration. WHY? If you do level 3 clues at avg time of 20 min per clue, thats 180000 minutes, 3000 hours, and 125 days. Thats about 1\3 of the year you just used up doing JUST clues. Even if you played 4 years, about the time clues came out, thats still 1\12 of the 4 years of playing runescape you did JUST AND ONLY doing clues. And the shocking thing is...this is taken from a view that you played 24\7 for 4 years... In other words, that what you said is total bs.

Wonder what your weapon would look like when its held with both hands?? well here they are!!! The epic brutal weapon, with 2 hands it might even rival those powers of godswords. The chain on a flail is straight! I feel sorry for the people that misconstrues their length... Whip hurts enough just with 1 hand...but does it hurt twice as more with 2 hands...I have yet to hit a 88... Their still useful if u run out of ammo...[i spelled animal wrong..wdf] I am taking more requests, if u want to see more weapons wielded as 2h, just pm me. The limitations: -Any 1 handed wep can be wielded into 2h style format, including range items such as bows, staffs, knifes, etc. -2h weapons can be wielded as 1 handers but you may not wear a shield while holding them 1 handed. -the stats are the same, and its possible to wear a 1 handed weapon in 2h style while wearing a shield at the same time.

UMMMM :evil: i get twice as much halfkeys as much as i get items...sorta sad tbh :wall: :wall: :wall: this is not going as well as i wanted... edit: also got 97 atk and 80 slayer today

Yeah Gratz on your Dh helm, I got 5 items today (2 half keys and d med, and 2 400k items) yet with dh helm, you pwned all my items by 500k lol. :wall: :wall: :thumbsup: GL on future barrow trips and on all ur goals

Broke the 12mil mark. I am still gonna go more trips tonight. If lucky maybe I will break 13mil tonight. \ Things are going a little faster then i expected, but :wall: :wall: whats with the half keys and 400k items i've been getting...i want some 1mil+ items!! :cry: SOZ i missed ur 80 magic purezammy!!! i had to go buy books...