Demoli

So much for eoc being slower, I did an entire 220 waterfiend task in less than 30, all drops were triple charms

So, did my last testing on the beta and I'm not collecting the last ew things i need. Runite bolts, unless you tip enchant them, are the same as broad bolts Royal Bolts are the best by a lot. Shields are essential for most bossing, Glacors got a hidden fix where theshield can now absorb their area attack, which is great. I'm byuing a arma buckler with no luck. Got steads drop in EoC. GF Jagex.

I would mean instead of paying for the runes, you'd pay for the recharge. I guess it would be allright.

Probably to give slayer some top tier gear. It isn't exactly fair for all Top Tier weapons and shields to be exclusive to Dungeoneering rewards now is it?

After some testing against bossing, slauyer monsters and some dueling, here's qhat I've gathered: Dual Wielding sucks on everything thats not melee. There's barely any abilities in the range book for dualwields, there's none in the Magic book and they deny you of a shield or 2H weapon. Melee has a decent amount of dual wield abilities, related to 2 ability books instead of one, and while they are good, they are mostly combo attacks, which take a loong time, in which you can't do any other action. 2H, like I said before, are the ebst options for pure DPS, witht he only exception being Slash and Stab, since dual rapiers and dual CLS are better than ZS or GS, and Sagaies because there aren't any 2H javelins for now (they should make Sagaies lv 80 and make it 2H to be honest, it would also boost the fletcher's market). Chaotic Staff is useless for now. Popypore has the exact same stats, is buyable and cheap, and provides not only the unique spell, but also a prayer bonus. Shields are essential in fighting qbd. Also, bring a melee top and a maul, since the spirits she summons are RESISTENT to bolts/ranged, which is her weakness, while they are weak to Crush. The fight will take ages, and you will use a lot of prayer potions, overloads and anti fires. Use your defensive abilties carefull, i personally used the ultimate rejuvenation, the shield ability that heals you and the other ability that reduces teh coldown of one of these, don't remember which. Most of my healing was from Rejuvetaion. You CANNOT DEFLECT/ABSORB NON-CLASSED attacks. This includes the light bridges, the dragonfire, both wall and normal variant and the shade attacks, Glacor area attacks are also in thsi category, and so is volatile glacyte. I think this is a bug, since the ability page says "All Damage". Boss fights take way more skill just in general, msot of the will giver you a working, specially without a shield. There still are a couple of broken items. I'd love to have a Polypore situation with the Crystal and Zaryte bows, where if you don't have ammo equipped you'd use the degradeable arrows, while if you have any arrows equipped (like the bane arrows) you'd use those. It just makes too much sense since Popypore already does it. Wish list for beta: Do not nerf barrows, instead, either raise defensive/lp stat of GWD armour by raising it to lv75 again, or give it the same stats, but with a sizeable crit bonus, instantly making it better. Apply these crit bonus to Nex gear too so they don't become a worse option at pure DPS. New Findings: Crystal Shield is the lv70 Magic Shield; Godbooks are godaweful (no pun intended), they are offhand weapons with a crit bonus on different classes, but they are completely borked. Zamorak gives 0.8% boost to all stats, but armadyl gives it to only Range.. at 0.6%. They should makes Zamorak, Bandos and Armadyl Class secific at like 1.2%, and the other 3 at varying degress of hybriding, or just alternating 0.8% in 2 styles (zaros magic and melee, saradomin magic and range, guthix melee and ranged for example.) I really can't wait, I think i'm gona get Chaotic Maul and Eagle eye enxt, that way i have at least tier 70 or above on all styles. So hype right now.

What? Jagex payed money for people to feature EoC? Why do you think that, for what i know, they are just getting ready for the innevitable change. I know I have, and anyone expecting to still do combat should.

Interesting concept, I wonder how they'll make this simply non-attractive to Melee Combattees. Pretty simple. They will just make all the monsters only weak to Ranged attacks. Yeah, they'll probably fill the dungeon with magic mobs, so that melee is highly inneficient and range just destroys them. On the topic of BTS, holy crap is that an amazing list. I'm not really interested in bossing and the like, but the storyline endings, two grandmasters and more god involvement sounds utterly amazing. Way to get me hyped Jagex

If you see the part of the statues in the new BTS, you see 4 statues representing 4 gods, each with a symbol on the hilt. Three are easily indentifiable, being the classic Trio of Saradomin, Zamorak and Guthix. However, the last statue depicts a woman and has no Symbol. Due to this, the most reasonable assumption would be Seren, but Seren didnt have any influence east of Kandarin. so what else is there? Zaros was never really depicted as a Man as far as I know, and we know next to nothing about Armadyl aswell, and while it says he is brother to Saradomin, that can get retconned or was an error passed throughout the ages. Bandos is out of the question, he really isn't a magic god and is way too agressive for this kind of thing I believe. I've also excluded the Desert Pantheon from this for obvious reasons. So who is the Woman in the statue? Is Zaros/Armadyl a Woman? Is that Seren? Is it a new god? Can't wait for this, the new Tower also looks quite amazing.

Just as good,m but it's a Bolt weapon.

Unless you are going with momentum, it's totally worth it to get a 2h'er of everything, since you can stack abilities with autos without loosing damage potential. Heck, I think I won't get Off hands of the Melee stuff, jsut Getting ZS GS and Maul thats how well 2h sinergises with Abilities. The only task where i think momentum is better then ablity input is Ice Strywyrms, and onyl because of the insane damage boost fire spells have. Bosses are best with a 2H or a Shield too. Edit: The more i think about it, Dual Wielding seems like a wet dream of live game combat, since it provides VERY little incentive to use on the EoC. Everyone (including me) went into EoC expecting to Double Rapier everything, realised Dual Wielding sucks with abilities/Double Rapier isn't effective at all against 80% of monsters, and gave up on it. Simultaneously, Shields and 2H'ers got a massive, ridiculous buff, and are now the choices for anyhing really. I will only use Dual Wielding when there isn't a 2H in the same style in the same tier (like I was doing with Dual CCBs until Saradomin_Mage reminded me of Royal Xbow)

Used to be a 1h staff, no longer though so it's no good versus ccs. @Demoli your 2h crossbow at level 80 is a royal crossbow :P D'Oh, thats right, i completely forgot. I even bought one when they were 10m for the beta and since i only recently got Iron Titans and Overloads i completely forgot >.<

You can't just go with a single weapon into eoc, those days are over, you can't just melee your way into everything. Whip/CLs/Godswords for slash, Rapier/ZS for stab, CM/Sara Sword for Crush, Sagaies for throw, Crystal Bow for arrows, Chaotic Xbow for bolts, Staff of light/Armadyl/Chaotic for magic. GWD shield/Dung shield and Spirit shields are all properly level balanced in cost and duration.

There is no problem in quitting if you don't like it. There is something wrong, however, if you go into a EoC discussion thread, where we are trying to figure out good stuff to use and overall stats and strategies, dropping a "it sucks cuz its wow", providing no extra information or insight and then expecting to act like it was not only a good argument, but a good argument designated for this thread in particular. Back to the discussion at hand, I'll do some time comparisons next week after i wrap up my exams, but I've tried out Sagaies today. Sagaies are 1000~ k damage, one handed and average speed. Considering the same style, thrown, the best offhand is dragon darts, but I'll use off hand rune knives as a more cost efficient alternative. In the end, both are pretty close, so I used them both as a small comparison. Long story short, dual wielding Sagaie+Off hand thrown is roughly the same power as Crystal Bow, with more frequent autos, so with momentum, assuming ranged bolt weakness, sagaie+ rune knvies/DDs are beter DPS than Crystal, but i'm assuming lower than Zaryte. So, in thrown weak tasks, It IS better to use Sagaies + Knives than a Crystal Bow or Dual CCB, but Zaryte bow will probably be the same or better. However, this is only assuming momentum on maximum dps loadouts, so no shields. If you go active, Bows are much beter for chaining abilities, for you can activate abilities the second your carachter pulls the string for auto damage+ability damage+effect for the full damage of the bow. If i'm not mistaken, with Dual Wield, only the main weapon damage counts, so not only are abilities weaker, you also loose on off-hand special attacks. I wish there was a 2-handed Javelin or something. Same thing for otehr styles really, I wish there was a 2H'd STAB and Slash weapon for lv 80, aswell as a 2H'r Crossbow at 80. Also, make Halberds crush, so you can have 2h'd crush, stab and Slash in each set (halberd, spear, 2h). In general, dual wielding is much less DPS than 2H'ers due to not chaining abilities aswell, but you don't have as much overkill loss. With momentum, DPS is usually the same assuming same style and tier. In a more light-hearted note, here is a fun glitch I found with Sagaies: You keep throwing them backwards, it's hilarious, specially with the Charge shot. I also found out Steel throwing knives now look like normal kitchen knives, somehow, I find that hilarious.

Zaryte bows are indeed the best bows in beta. Crystal Bow is the tier below, and ocne you get ther echarge cost to 180k per 4k shots, it becomes really efficient. A poor man's Zaryte i guess.

Glacor Boots will be the best boots in beta. Don't know about Cannon.

Been doing some slayer in beta to see how well it meshes with my current gear. Ice Strykes are an amazing task, i could get almost 150k slayer exp hour with 300k+ Magic expp using Fire WAVE, sol and Gano. I used various abilities, but i came away with the impression that Auto Attacks do way more damage than abilities in these guys, when I ultimated into my Fire forn, i was doing consistents 8k dmage, and only 3-4k with abilities. Max hit 10k exactly. Will try momentum next time. Blue Dragons: Another really fast task with Karil's and crystal bow using abilities. there is a combo ability that is a threshold, that does insane damage over a quick period of time and respawns fast. Waterfiends. Double CCB ftw. Same strategy as dragons but with DW abilities. Hellhounds: Magic and multitaret attacks are so good in this task. Kuradal dungeon puts them into a tight space for tsunami to kill 3-4 at a time. I felt so sad when i saw the were being changed into melee due to complaints, which were completely (low exp for meleers) unjustified, since I finished a 200+ HH task in less than 40 mins. Soul Split is amazing for slayer, not so great for bosses. Buniyp is usually more than enoug healing though, maybe SS a threshold once or twice when needed.

Yes, they have a fast RoF, but crystal bow is not only way more accurate, but also more powerfull than Seercrull with rune arrows. Again,I don't know why you would use it.

Why even use Seercrull whe Crystal bow exists?

Except that there are only two thrown weapons above level 50 (dragon, blisterwood), so you'd probably be better off bringing your level 70 or 80 bow/crossbow either way. :razz: There is one more, level 72 option: Sagaies. I've already stockpiled 5k of the, and i ight do more in the future, I really hope they make a offhand sagaie next, they are brutal. So far I have: Rapier for Stab Torags Hammer or Goliaths if they keep it as a weapon Whip + EEE for slash Torags and Veracs CCB for bolts Sagaies for Thrown Crystal bow for arrows Karils and Royal DHide Staff of light+ 200k of every elemental rune. Gano+Ahrim To get: Off Hand: Rapier CLS CSB Sagaies if they make them Ahrim's book Main weapons: CLS Maul Forge my Royal Xbow Arma Bstaff Armour Get Kiln Cape Get Dung shields Get decent Gloves and Boots, stuck to infinity, snakeskin, bandos and culinaro 10 Get arma Buckler Get a non-dg Magic shield

Its probably a combo of explosive shot and Dead shot. I still don't like ranged in beta, even though karils+ dual ccb looks pretty nifty. Magic is the most fun so far.

For now, it's a good choice, but they might buff GWD gear later though.

Combat triangle at it's finest, use range and they fall quickly. They are probably magic based to accentuate the batwing set.

I'm keeping my brews, They still don't lower adreneline bar unlike food, and are a lot of heals per slot. I might get a DFS and/or grind for the DG shields. I need to get a CLS Keepin my Barrows, but expecting them to raise the power of GWD armour. Sad I can't use EEE for Skilling at the like. Everything Else, but offhand weapons, I already have covered. Rapier for Stab, Goliaths for crush, Sagaie for thrown, D Bow for Arrows, CXB for bolts. But man, Dragon Weapons are gona crash HARD. Too bad, since most are quite good looking.

While I do really ewnjoy EoC, its definatly not ready yet, articulary Quest fights who require special attacks, like the Dorghesshunn series and pest queen. And they do need to step up some monster's abilities, like someone already said about Hellhounds, Let me add Dark Beasts, Gargoyles and Giant Mole. I think they are gona release EoC so early because there are not enough people testing it due to it not giving any real benefit for current RS, so they are going Live and players will provide more feedback.

Looking forward to this, I've been strafing ou fo combat's way due to it being quite lackluster, but after playing the new and improved beta, i think It'll be allright. I just think most people played the first version of beta, which was very rough, and never bothered again. It's qctually quite great now. Valid criticism like Bruno's is still valid of course, but i think EoCC improves into many aspects current Rs currently has, and balances otehr, like Protection prayers.