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i know the feeling ... 7k sharks fished and not one big one, and that is frustrating seeing as i fish sharks for the purpose of getting a big one -.- (i <3 afk fishing during class ^^) During class?? lolz, how? is it a special computer class of some kind? or on a laptop thats "needed" for that class alredy? lolz.

Again, i still don't know how you got your 90k profit number?? ffs, what tasks did you have that you tested this with? I know people who get nothing but good easy tasks with great profit. Maybe you're the one doing something wrong? because it seems to me most people seem to make more money offa slayer than you...

Canceling a task wastes ~60k The rates still dont compare to zombies. What do you mean wastes about 60k?? how? 35 slayer points is enough for 250 deaths and 1000 minds which is 65kish OHH!! lolz, i see where you're going with that. That's something else you brought up on the use of slayer for profits...buying runes with you're points. after perming 3, which is a lot of points gone and wasted, you can usually fly through the tasks fast enough to make the 300 points back easy. It's kinda like an investment. You waste money on summoning so you can use the war tortoise to carry more items when you go places like GWD. So spending isnt a waste, its more or less an investment. OT: lolz, ran out of quotes allowed so i deleted unneeded quotes.

Look, you can stop talking about what 'crazy' money demons are (actually, they're weak compared to green dragons). It does not matter what you get on a task. What does matter is the AVERAGE - and your arguing from a slayer level of 72, with melee stats in the low 80s. Obviously your not getting precisely what I am at armored zombies, nor are you doing anything resembling testing! You can't go there for 2 hours and then trumpet your XP rates as final, it requires literally dozens of hours to even attempt to get an accurate number. It's the averages that count - and mine are carefully calculated using literally hundreds of hours of testing by me, ydraisel, Zarfot, and Qeltar. Your one person with mid 80s stats and 72 slayer trying to argue about tasks that you won't even be getting in the next dozen levels! I respect your opinion, but there is a difference between opinions and facts. I'm not trying to argue about how fun slayer is. It's one of my favorite skills, and it's made me millions. What I AM arguing is that it is crappy XP. This is not an opinionated debate. It does not matter how fun you find it or how much you hate grinding blah blah blah. What matters is the cold hard XP rates - and unless you can show me some REAL testing to prove mine wrong, I'll take the numbers of myself and 3 other maxed, experienced players over a level 110 who's tried it for 2 hours. Actually Abyssal Demons are better money than Green Dragons. Green Dragons are about 400k per hour and you therefore need to kill them for 3 or 4 hours to make up what 1 Whip gets you. However, in 3 or 4 hours time at Abyssals you will ALWAYS get Rune items and very possibly a Whip in that amount of time. My best in 3 hours is a Whip and about 400k in Rune items which is about 1.8M, that's almost 5 hours of Green Dragons. Only once did I get 2 Whips in that amount of time. Slayer dosen't always give Abyssal Demon tasks though. Thats his main point. You cant base ALL of you rates on fire giants or Abyssal Demons. [/hide] Well duh, agreed. But on that same note, slayer doesn't alwayz give you horrible tasks such as kalphites, or miths or steels, or wyverns and such. And even if you do have bad luck and get those tasks, again you can cancel or perm them. What's not clear about that?? Because after that, tasks are great money makers and are very easy, fast, and good exp. Canceling a task wastes ~60k The rates still dont compare to zombies. What do you mean wastes about 60k?? how?

[hide=] Look, you can stop talking about what 'crazy' money demons are (actually, they're weak compared to green dragons). It does not matter what you get on a task. What does matter is the AVERAGE - and your arguing from a slayer level of 72, with melee stats in the low 80s. Obviously your not getting precisely what I am at armored zombies, nor are you doing anything resembling testing! You can't go there for 2 hours and then trumpet your XP rates as final, it requires literally dozens of hours to even attempt to get an accurate number. It's the averages that count - and mine are carefully calculated using literally hundreds of hours of testing by me, ydraisel, Zarfot, and Qeltar. Your one person with mid 80s stats and 72 slayer trying to argue about tasks that you won't even be getting in the next dozen levels! I respect your opinion, but there is a difference between opinions and facts. I'm not trying to argue about how fun slayer is. It's one of my favorite skills, and it's made me millions. What I AM arguing is that it is crappy XP. This is not an opinionated debate. It does not matter how fun you find it or how much you hate grinding blah blah blah. What matters is the cold hard XP rates - and unless you can show me some REAL testing to prove mine wrong, I'll take the numbers of myself and 3 other maxed, experienced players over a level 110 who's tried it for 2 hours. Actually Abyssal Demons are better money than Green Dragons. Green Dragons are about 400k per hour and you therefore need to kill them for 3 or 4 hours to make up what 1 Whip gets you. However, in 3 or 4 hours time at Abyssals you will ALWAYS get Rune items and very possibly a Whip in that amount of time. My best in 3 hours is a Whip and about 400k in Rune items which is about 1.8M, that's almost 5 hours of Green Dragons. Only once did I get 2 Whips in that amount of time. Slayer dosen't always give Abyssal Demon tasks though. Thats his main point. You cant base ALL of you rates on fire giants or Abyssal Demons. [/hide] Well duh, agreed. But on that same note, slayer doesn't alwayz give you horrible tasks such as kalphites, or miths or steels, or wyverns and such. And even if you do have bad luck and get those tasks, again you can cancel or perm them. What's not clear about that?? Because after that, tasks are great money makers and are very easy, fast, and good exp.

Honestly you should test your rates yourself other then taking biased rates from a friend. Compfreak probably spent hours testing this. Maybe one task of Fire Giants you get more profit then Zombies but averaging out you will get less money and xp. Have you or your friend even been to Armoured Zombies? -.- -.- -.- :wall: That was the whole point. that me and my friend went. I had never been, and so he took me on his acc. From that, i can say it's good exp, but still the drops are bad, period, and the profit is really just not worth it. Slayer on the other hand, may not ALWAYS be great exp, but usually is ok/good exp, and great profit. Compfreak himself said it's made him millions. I can get a few black mask drops in a few hours, @least 1 per hour at horrors. He keeps talking about averages, on average, from what i've heard, and my little experiences, slayer is a profit, plus u don't always need a cannon or piety to get good fast kills. I hate restating things, but when talking on average, it's only fair to count the fact that you can perm 3 tasks, and usually cancel other "sorta bad" tasks. Read Lord_Shalaj's post a few posts up on this page. He also sum's it up pretty well. NO counterarguements have been made to this, just that slayer sucks. no more "facts" as you put them to counter these facts me and Lord_Shalaj made. Although you did go as far as to bag my stats, but hey...that's whatevs

:o Hmm, that's quite wierd. :wall: :shame: You also said it was crappy money too. Totally not true, as you stated yourself. lolz. And the crappy XP is only some tasks so it can't represent the whole skill. Like all skills there are good and bad portions, averaged out, slayer still comes out as very good.

That really was just unnecessary. -.- If you payed attention, you'd realize I said a friend took me, it was on his acc, and he's no low level, and has 90 slayer for that matter. Look him up if you want, hell add him and ask him, though he's not on ATM, he'll tell you. No need to try to flame my skills in your own frustration in not being 100% correct. EDIT:Sorry about that, his name's babydoll1352...idk how i forgot to put that in. lolz #-o Bad What you're saying is that slayer is bad money, and bad exp. And zombies are great exp, great money. Thats point blank wrong. period. The truth, and what you prolly should have said is that zombies are great exp, and good money, while slayer is great money, and good exp. Also, saying that at higher levels using the system that's set up, and perming certain tasks, you can avoid everything that isn't worth your time. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

Ok, so my friend took me to the zombies. So i could see the bs you all were talking about. lolz. Using piety and all, and praying and whatnot, i can honestly say it is good fast exp. Sadly, after two hours, we only made 236k. Not to mention the boringness of it. Idk about you, but i'd have rather slayed for two hours and more than likely made more money. I wont put in a certain assignment because you say you can't compare just 1, and yet you're puting the whole skill up to just 1 monster. Imo, that's not fair at all. But truthfully, usually slayer has better rewards than the two hours spent on frikkin zombies, is more fun, and always has that potential of a rare slayer drop. Overall, comparing slayer to your zombies, slayer comes out on top(when averaged), in profit, over the zombies. Apart from that, the exp rates differ w/ each slayer assign. Like i previously mentions, fire giants(just one of the admittedly many) would give better exp, has very little to no need for prayer or cannons, is just as fast, has much better drops than zombies, as as so, is a great example of a slayer task that would overdo the zombies, seeing as you get the same melee exp if not more, and then you add the slayer exp. I will mention this again because it seems some of you are not understanding this. Using duradel, there are really only 3 tasks i would deem "worse exp or drops than zombies." Thats kalphites, steels and miths. This actually varies for different slayers. point is, you can perm cancel THREE tasks ffs, that right there makes slayer even a whole whole lot better. And the tasks that are worse than zombies you can cancel easily. That just about settles it. After perming the worst 3, it's fair to say slayer beats zombies. :thumbsup: Add the "fun" element, and you have yourself an awardwinning skill, even at low levels, and even more so at higher levels. Do you see the screenies of people killing spirituals(any cmbt style) and abby dems? Thats just crazy profit, not fit to even be compared to zombie monkeys. But hey, you brought it up. :lol: \

Lmao............. things you wish you cud do in real life :) jk lmfao. :lol: :thumbsup: \ [/hide] But seriously, what are bushfires? watd that guy mean? i'm lost here? ....wonder how stupid i must sound. lolz Some big fires broke out in Australia that killed at least 65, destroyed 2 towns. you had to quote me wen i had the lols from that pic on huh? my bad i didnt know, hope your friends are alright. :thumbsup:

[hide=] Lmao............. things you wish you cud do in real life :) jk lmfao. :lol: :thumbsup: \ [/hide] :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: But seriously, what are bushfires? watd that guy mean? i'm lost here? ....wonder how stupid i must sound. lolz

ooo ooo, what are those?? seriously, what are those?

Lolz, your so funny. :| See when you actually do average it out, slayer still comes out on top. Because there are only a few "crappy" tasks, everything else is good, easy for the most part. Slayer as a whole makes money, and is an alternative to mindless grinding, however you look at it, it comes out on top. How can you even say on average, slayer is a loss? that's just not true at all. I wasn't talking about individual tasks really, i was just mentioning them as quick examples. And your personal view of clues is bs, they are helpful suplements, a good break/distraction, and hell, when you get somthing you can sell for a good price, it doesnt seem like a waste of those 30min. The fact that you don't like clues and most likely i'm assuming don't do them, means you really can't talk for those who do clue hunt all day long. Go on utube and check out the rangers that stay at hellhounds all day clue hunting. And hell, when some1 gets a 3a pl8, i bet they won't say the clue was bs then. Yes it's rare, but possible. And even w/o that ther are very worthwhile rewards floating around that most people miss. This however isn't just my opinion, its basic facts. Point blank: slayer rules, hell, the title of this thread should even be changed. :lol: :lol: \ :thumbsup: :lol: :lol:

All the fun things you can do in a house. ........ Y not girl on girl ffs?? something interesting...guy guy is just awkward.lolz...imo anywayz.

a) Sorry, my methods have been updated - Armored Zombies is the new Zombie monkies, the difference is that Armored Zombies get charms + 190k profit :P Slayer, with 60k melee XP, is only 15k slayer XP (melee XP/4), but the whole respect thing is different - you may be training more skills, but your training them almost half as slowly. So I'll be maxed while your combat skills are still 92-93; I could go on and max out other, more 'respected' skills in the spare time I have. tsk tsk tsk. 1st, i think he knows that, prolly just a typo...add another 15k(actually over 15k cuz its 1.3x the hit) for hp, and thats how he got the 90k exp total. Now, i had started typing a response hours ago, but i was talkin to my gf and accidentally x-d it out!! since it was long as hell i thought i might as well no longer type the response, but now i'm bored as hell and figured typing something long as hell would help. lolz See, the thing w/ slayer is, it gives many many different varieties of monsters to kill, and for a reason ftw. The whole arguement i see here is wierd because there are in reality very few slayer monsters, and still few slayer assignments that give less than that 150k or so profit per hour. Even training it at max efficiency. This is all without factoring what are considered to be "rare" or "slayer" drops. The best arguement viable is that at extremely low levels of slayer, it's income is less, but still even then it's ok for a skill that fun. Even at level 58, cave horrors alone, not counting black masks, can make a near 200k profit per hour w/ all their seed, log, herb drops and etc. And in a good task you can get 2-3 masks. Funny thing is, with 6 mask drops, i've only had em once for an actual task, got 1 mask that time...other times was wen i died and needed quick cash. simple, and easy. especially with cannon. crazy, easy, and majorly profitable. You all seem to forget that 1k cannonballs is only 189k...thats really nothing compared to the kills you get with that(unless you really literally let the cannon do ALL the work). 1k cannons can last 2-3 tasks, maybe even more depending on your own levels and how much killing you're actually doing. Cannon is just to speed things up, letting it do all the work is slower than just killing it yourself w/o a cannon. Even spirituals, of all combat styles, have good drops. friend did 1 task and got like 4 rune kites, and 6 rune longs. thats just crazy for 1 task. took a lil under 2hrs!!! he was killing sara warriors i believe. With the option to cancel for a while your assignment, or just perm cancel it. ftw, this makes things even easier. perm cancel the top 3 you don't like, and cancel anything else that comes up. lolz. one can make even more money, and slay even faster if using a correct method of doing this. Now finally, we get to the best part...slayer drops. Now, even at 58 slayer, as i stated earlier, you can make very worthwhile money. This is why someone can say slayer at low levels is lame, but even so you technically can make a great profit from it seeing as you can still get good non-slayer tasks. like green drags if you're a low level, or blues if your an med lvl. Then when you get up higher there are those tasks that seem lame. Like wyverns and whatnot...but even then those have good drops, make good money, but are just "hard" to kill. And even so some people have become masters at it like it was intended for all to do, and can now make major profit from those types of monsters. And when in the high levels, the profit makeable is point blank period crazy. no lie. we've all seen those screenys of ppl getting multiple whips or boots on tasks, and wish we were them, (if you dont have the level) because they were there literally for usually unde 2hrs per task. Now to those people i bet your arguement of profit sounds like complete bs. I know thats what it sounds like to me, and my slayer's only 72 fml. Also, i didn't see a "lvl 3 clue" as one of the drops of your zombies. So no chance of millions added to the task as is with most slayer tasks. And even if not millions, even if only a few rune items, usually on average my clues give about 100k. I've had less, and i've had much much more. Point is, it takes maybe 30min max, if you're bad at the clues, and so that's worth it. And while you may kill something that does drop clues, but even then its still just mindless grinding. Which is one thing that i can really only do a little. RS seems to me like it should be something more than meanless grinding just so you can show off. The reason that that is however smiled upon is that most cant, or usually just dont wanna grind like such. It's an accomplishment, but just a different type of accomplishment. lolz. Overall, slayer is awesome. To be completely honest and truthful to you, there have been maybe 5 tasks overall the many many tasks i've completed, that i actually didn't make a loss. Of course still being honest, i usually got clues that made up for that, but just of the drops alone, it was a small loss. Also, maybe it's because i waste minimal money on all the pots and runes and bolts most people may use. After all, i've always melee'd irons w/o prayer. Its suprisingly easy. lolz. That said, many factors can go into why someone is not making a profit slaying, even at max efficiency, which i see as no problem. It just means you kill more faster, meaning you still get the same drops, just faster. You still get the clues, you still get the material drops, and the alchables and watnot. Alltogether Slayer IS profitable, point blank period. Also more fun than the average grinding, and ultimately more rewarding, including later released monsters(i'm still hopefull yes). Thats all i have to say. I'm very very sorry this turned into such a long long post, but still...points had to be made. :|

yeah...no! buy hey, i guess you can still alwayz hope. lolz

well rs wasn't released until january 4th 2001 so i must admit i'm impressed that you have played longer than the game have existet :) Wait just one second. i thought rsc has been out since 2000?? Then they released rs2 later on??

Hate noobs like that ffs. Why Why Why, i even tried to help him and he just kept saying the same things ffs. :wall: :wall:

So true, but in saying that, there really are only a few tasks that aren't worth it out of all the different tasks, remembering that some monsters assigned aren't even really "slayer" monsters so to speak. And now those tasks can be canceled or permd, making slayer now very profitable one way or the other.

Agree. But the kite would look super kool don't you think? and they could have a dragon set spec, for people wearing and using all the drag items. Kite could be helpful there. The spec could differ w/ wat you have on, like chain v. pl8 would give diff spec, full v med, kite v square. stuff like that. 8-)

He is farming herbs, merchanting, and using MTK while he does it. Its still really 180k-190k profit/h Yeah, I'm just applying the same logic of mornings 'slayer profit' due to farming while training slayer :wall: OHH!! duh :wall: :wall: ok, much better, thx, had me feeling stupid there for a second. phew. i'm good now :thumbsup:

[hide=] [/hide] Umm, about your stat sig, u can change the qp number easily since it's a tip.it sig, w/o having to make a whole new one. Right before your name on the text for the sig, it has the number, just change that and save it.

Wait just one second...THESE armoured zombies?: http://tip.it/runescape/index.php?rs2monster_id=1204 How the hell do you manage almost 1m per hour from THESE?? did i really really miss something here?

Good, glad to know you (finally) see the light. Now, as I was saying several pages before, slayer training cannoning every task possible, using piety and a summon etc. etc. actually loses money - and still receives WORSE combat XP then armored zombies. This leads me to believe that it is impossible to cite slayer as the 'best' or indeed, anywhere close to the best, combat training method - despite sweeping statements to the contrary by certain unenlightened folks. Well, see, that i believe is mostly point of view. One man's trash is another man's treasure, and vice versa. IMO, slayer is infact a great skill to train. maybe you're right, it may not be the best, because the exp is split like so and whatnot, instead of just say str training on one thing and whatnot. But the armored zombies seem like a waste to me. They're drops just aren't good enough. Most slayer monsters and assignments have "worth it" drops, and complimentary drops for while you're waiting for those "worth it" drops. lolz. Which brings me to another point, there is noway in hell that these zombies are better than a slayer task of say fire giants(my personal fave). They are just a single level higher, but much better hp, more exp, easily killed tbh, and they slayer exp is pretty awesome too while you're at it. Then drop and money wise...They murder your armored zombies. Yes there are some tasks however that are arguably a waste of slayer time for the profit gained, but then again you never know when that steel will drop that visage or w/e. Its kinda like clues for those tasks, theres a small chance of multimillionarism but its extremely small. Still most likely worth it. Also, who used a cannon for all their tasks? thats just lame, even if maxing exp and whatnot, because i think i can kill banshees just as fast as the frickin cannon. Of course there are some tasks that can utilize cannons and make them quicker(*cough* black dems *cough*) But overall, slayer by itself, even when you have to use a cannon, is profitable. I even find that i dont lose money when i melee iron drags.(can't melee steels yet so they're permed) and spectres really dont require the whole prayer pot thing. only bring like 2 pots there to get in extra kills sometimes. Well, thats it, all i have to say. GTG, 2am here atm...else i would say more,night.. lolz

they were on the verge of the block list with me untill i discovered them in the ct Why whats wrong with glarial's toomb thingy lol the 8 level 35's with bone c'bows and green d'hide :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: yeah, thats why i dont use that place. plus i like to melle not range. \ As my character would say to the range tutor: no, i like to bash things up close. (atleast i think it was the range tutor) :thumbsup: [/hide] well if you looked at my stats you would see that i like all combat about equal but i cant be waiting for a single giant to spawn with 5 other rangers 1 and 0 their giant to a slow, not so painfull, death, all the while in an empty room i could have pile through 6 or 7 by the time they get there first kill OH, so so true. and is it just me, or can any1 else not see your stats, or the little thing that says rsname? idk, prolly just my stupidity. #-o