http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5170/1700total.png[/img The charms from 1.5k cannonballs gave me this. I'll be 20k off bunyips :( What can I do apart from penguins to get summon exp? (Keep in mind I can't do waterfiends.) If waterfiends are not an option, try Familiarisation, it is very helpful. Ive done it every week for the last 2-3 months and im getting the final 300 charms for 88 at fiends right now. Here is a pic of the loot of 3x charms at rock lobsters in slightly less then 40 minutes due to running to them: http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/5110/3xcharmsrocklobsters.png[/img That's absolutely terrible. I get more at waterfiends. Seeing as your max melee with ext's and turmoil i wouldn't dought it :rolleyes: Barraging 9 lobs at a time vs. killing 1 waterfiend at a time. Max melee and extremes have nothing to do with it. Turmoil is worse than piety on waterfiends aswell. Just seems to me bursting is way overrated if you can only get 200 crims in 40 minutes of 3x charms. :mellow: This was actually a test run bursting during triple charms, i haven't done it during triple since but i was posting this because waterfiends were a no-go.