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k but still bout row any of you super math nerds out there confirm or somethin this? Would wearing a ring of wealth decrease chances of effigy drops? It was confirmed it doesnt increase the chances of getting one but being that it increases the chances of a drop that isnt an effigy wouldnt it therefore decrease the chance of getting an effigy A 100% pie with say 10% is an effigy and 90% other stuff if ROW incrases the % of other stuff wouldnt effigy % go down since there can only be 100% of of the pie?

one of the main reasons im asking is im goin on about 900k slay xp/no effigy since i started using row

On a quick side note question for you math wizzes: Would wearing a ring of wealth decrease chances of effigy drops? It was confirmed it doesnt increase the chances of getting one but being that it increases the chances of a drop that isnt an effigy wouldnt it therefore decrease the chance of getting an effigy A 100% pie with say 10% is an effigy and 90% other stuff if ROW incrases the % of other stuff wouldnt effigy % go down since there can only be 100% of of the pie? Illy paper and you know that <3

eh i kinda agree also depends when someone decided to "play seriously" a new account with the goal to max and some pre expireience will have much lower playtime when they max than a pker that decided to max later even tho the real time may be simular from when a pker started training up... Also i kinda respect how fast people train in "real time" compared to ingame time as well noone really knows ur playtime unless u tell them but they can see fast exp gains over a month/few months/year besides new updates are the same for everyones "real time" goals but doing something stupid earlier in your ingame time can ruin ur ingame days played exp/hr for a looong time I agree, I went from 99 fletch,99 rc in 6 years of on/off playing non seriously and then deciding to play seriously to 73m rc xp and +like 500 total level also 200m cash increased to the 2.5b i had before the hack in - 9 months and that was with a good 5-6 weeks of not playing due to depression..etc so if I were to take that out then it would be 7 and 1/2 months. + I still got crap xp/h the firt few months of rc =p Deciding to "play seriously" does make a big impact lol

ROW increase effigy rate? <33 suomi <- <3

On another note: and another post so it doesnt get mixed up with what i said to xensure I think best strategy with ROW now is to just wear it for the tasks like daggs and switch it with kuradels/zerker for tasks like metal drags ive been doing that today the switching near the ,last 15-20% of the monsters hp when it gets there just switch to row then when it dies click back on zerk/kuradels @ Xensure pmed you the link so ss forums it stands for supreme skillers

@ xensure this is 1 of the responses to your task list from SS forums i posted it on there you may be interested , any feedback? "Kalphites are 60k/h now Jad task is around 60k/h too (no charms, but Hellhounds around the same speed, don't give charms either and you do those, so..) Do waterfiends if you care about 200m summon "Max slayer xp" doing dusties and skipping Ice Strykes and Kalphites while doing warped torts, okay?.."

Wonder if its worth switching to ROW before killing something now on like drag tasks..etc Also says increases drops on the rare table which effigys are on so could increase effigy droprate for 200m slay drastically if your willing to switch and lastly also increase the effigy rate/minutes cannoning cave crawlers

yea

@ xensure so the difference between the best for 200ms task list and same but doing abbys and blocking warped torts is minimal xp/h difference but for those with financial difficulties then doing abbys and blocking warped torts would be optimal correct?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FKZa9CqOh4

Umm, wouldn't that kind of waste the wines? I mean, 2.7x from bxpw is much worse then the 4x or whatever from brawlers. that assumes you get a brawler which isnt exactly easy. anyway, I don't see how these top players do it. 7 hours or so of rc today and my finger is aching lol. :P if ud have pked more! im so glad i wasted all those hours pking with nothing to show for it but brawlers.. 50 pairs \:D/ are brawlers even really part of the game now? i guess people going for 200m would spend the time killing revs! idk lol ive spent bout 40 hours at revs so far 6m in drops and no cook brawlers yet repeat this few more times with none and it might end up not being worth it

yup lol BXP 2day nice

Not really lol xensure just posted the best informational slayer list any1 with serious goals in slayer or the game overall could ask for lol I say they went perfectlyboard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXYdBAylxGI

another vid up =p

why lol

[spoiler=Same as above, but doing abbies and blocking warped torts.]Total Slayer Xp 185,000,000 Total Green Charms 324,393 Total Crimson Charms 220,393 Total Blue Charms 53,423 Hours to Run Charms 170.917 Total Summon Xp 187,842,420 Sum:Slayer Ratio 1.015364433 Total Effigies 2,143 Total Investigation xp 24,108,055 Total Lamp Xp 102,923,180 Slayer xp:Effigy Ratio 86330.07 Total Hours Slaying 4471.13 Average Xp/hour 41,376.55 E(Slayer points) 8.383333333 [spoiler=Maximum Slayer xp/h with sustainable slayer points]Bloodvelds Do TzHaar (Jad) Do Dagannoth Do Aberrant spectres Do Hellhounds Do Suqahs Do Dark beasts Do Living rock creatures Do Dust devils Do Black demons Do Warped tortoises Do Fire giants Cancel Waterfiends Cancel Kalphites Cancel Blue dragons Cancel Terror dogs Cancel Black dragons Cancel Gargoyles Cancel Desert strykewyrms Cancel Iron dragons Cancel Skeletal wyverns Cancel Jungle strykewyrms Cancel Greater demons Cancel Steel dragons Cancel Ice strykewyrms Blocked Nechryaels Blocked Aquanites Blocked Abyssal demons Blocked Mithril dragons Blocked Spiritual mages Blocked Total Slayer Xp 185,000,000 Total Green Charms 79,413 Total Crimson Charms 104,836 Total Blue Charms 36,580 Hours to Run Charms 63.094 Total Summon Xp 86,535,869 Sum:Slayer Ratio 0.467761456 Total Effigies 1,183 Total Investigation xp 13,313,339 Total Lamp Xp 56,837,898 Slayer xp:Effigy Ratio 156328.18 Total Hours Slaying 3323.06 Average Xp/hour 55,671.65 Avxp/h w/ Eff on Slay 72,775.76 E(Slayer points) 1.661538462 [spoiler=Maximum Sum xp/h with sustainable slayer points]Waterfiends Do Skeletal wyverns Do Mithril dragons Do Black demons Do Nechryaels Do Steel dragons Do Suqahs Do Dust devils Do Iron dragons Do Black dragons Do Aberrant spectres Do Dark beasts Do Blue dragons Cancel Greater demons Cancel Aquanites Cancel Dagannoth Cancel Gargoyles Cancel Terror dogs Cancel Kalphites Cancel Hellhounds Cancel Warped tortoises Cancel Bloodvelds Cancel Fire giants Cancel Jungle strykewyrms Cancel Abyssal demons Blocked Desert strykewyrms Blocked Living rock creatures Blocked Ice strykewyrms Blocked TzHaar (Jad) Blocked Spiritual mages Blocked Total Slayer Xp 185,000,000 Total Green Charms 418,971 Total Crimson Charms 470,313 Total Blue Charms 60,245 Hours to Run Charms 271.294 Total Summon Xp 316,553,079 Sum:Slayer Ratio 1.711097726 Total Effigies 2,321 Total Investigation xp 26,111,540 Total Lamp Xp 111,476,549 Slayer xp:Effigy Ratio 79706.14 Total Hours Slaying 5206.31 Average Xp/hour 35,533.84 Avxp/h w/ Eff on Slay 56,945.67 E(Slayer points) 0.67826087 [spoiler=Maximum Effigies/h with sustainable slayer points.]Black dragons Do Black demons Do Steel dragons Do Bloodvelds Do Hellhounds Do Mithril dragons Do Dark beasts Do Suqahs Do Ice strykewyrms Do Iron dragons Do Aberrant spectres Do Dagannoth Cancel Terror dogs Cancel Blue dragons Cancel Warped tortoises Cancel Gargoyles Cancel Waterfiends Cancel Aquanites Cancel Dust devils Cancel Jungle strykewyrms Cancel Kalphites Cancel Skeletal wyverns Cancel Greater demons Cancel Fire giants Cancel TzHaar (Jad) Blocked Spiritual mages Blocked Nechryaels Blocked Desert strykewyrms Blocked Abyssal demons Blocked Living rock creatures Blocked Total Slayer Xp 185,000,000 Total Green Charms 403,610 Total Crimson Charms 204,098 Total Blue Charms 66,138 Hours to Run Charms 192.527 Total Summon Xp 202,940,276 Sum:Slayer Ratio 1.096974463 Total Effigies 2,419 Total Investigation xp 27,214,178 Total Lamp Xp 116,183,979 Slayer xp:Effigy Ratio 76476.68 Total Hours Slaying 4550.91 Average Xp/hour 40,651.23 Avxp/h w/ Eff on Slay 66,181.07 E(Slayer points) 0.67826087 Once I get profit figures I can accommodate that in to the model. Thank you very much for this mate cant wait to see the profit figures and stuff thanks for all the hard work you and thai are doing its really appreciated ^_^

Thanks Xen this is exactly what I was looking for thanks for taking into account you do nt have to get 200m sum with 200m slayer. Also, is this break even or gain more slayer points? Lastly I belive it was vivs or vex's guide I forgot witch of the V's it was but said with their task list it something like +8gp/xp even if powerslaying what kinds + or - gp/xp would this task list be like.

The CT isnt really stocked with black demons lol I dont really know how many kill/h it would actually increase it by some1 should try it I messaged dragonseance he said he will, so if results arent already well know by 2marrow ill post his results on here (saying 2marrow cause im off to bed now ) also you could prolly tank the fiends with divine and the other good defense armours just fine

You are right, but people going for all 200ms or at least the top 15 play well more than 2 hours a day. So your point is kind of invalid. This isn't 2007 We don't get rc exp at a rate of 25k per hour Do the math. You can make a MAXIMUM of 2.9K Nats in an hour. That means you have the highest pouches, are effecient clicker, have high agility, have access to 30 Amulets of Glories. It isn't like you're going to be getting 100K RC EXP an hour. Also, I was just giving an average as 2 hours a day. Sure, people play more than 2 hours a day, but no one in their right mind would play for 8 years Runecrafting for more than 2 hours a day. :rolleyes: l2 zmi for 60k+/h also just sayin 200m slay is a nice 120m rc xp free + assists for 10m+ xp/year so 10 hours a day -600k xp/day is 18m months -11 months to 200m rc if you just rc ed only 10 hours a day and didnt ever assist or use effigies btw 7.4k nats/h closer to max den 2.9k

If you care about summoning as much as you do slayer then yes. I think xen's formula is better than mine until it comes to things that can't be converted into time, e.g. "fun". At least I can say that I contributed to his formula in giving him the idea of H/av H ^length Also xen did you make that summoning change I suggested? I am absolutely sure you should be using green charm xp rate not blue. so waterfiends would be required to get 200m sum with 200m slay? although have you taken into calculation theres melee xp left over after 200m slayer so whatever youd be killing youd be getting charms from as well no? Which means you should value summoning less than slayer so then the question still remains if waterfiends are actually worth doing since you dont need to get 200m summoning with 200m slayer

Cannon might change that. its most likely a bug

Arent waterfiends crap slayer xp/h are the charms from em really that worth it?

Thanks paperbag and yeah lol inbe4 summoning @ waterfiends with cannonn could have gotten drumgun 200m range at same time Edit: also thai/xen any1 wanna do calcs on how much cannon in CT would actually change slayer =p