theres nothin inefficient about ivy, its free xp and about 90% as fast as the top methods of wc Omg someone making a valid point for a suboptimal method, crucify him :rolleyes: Ivy is probably the easiest training method to AFK and yet profits, has a very high exp rate, and makes a constant sound so you can look back when it stops. Cool to mention, that @teaks you get 95k wc xp/h and ~35k fm xp/h. @ivys you don't even average 80k xp/h. So, less than 90% and you don't get fm xp. 35k fm xp/h is around 4.5 minutes of work making fires per hour (backwards @ge with magic logs)! Ivys fail hard. I hope it was worth signing up to make that comment. But if you read back Drumgun says he doesnt like to 100%ProConcentrate. So Ivy is the way to go if you dont want to concentrate seeing as you need like 10-15% concentration and are still getting a decent amount of xp/h - Dont make me do maths for it, but it is not that bad and definatley does not 'fail hard'. He doesn't want to do 100% concentration methods because he plays 18 hours a day. If he played efficiently, he could've achieved the same exp he has now with just 6 hours per day, which in my opinion isn't that much.