Thai_tong

L2 maths and L2 think about what you're saying before you start saying train only agility then saying you can train any skill alongside later saying get a 40m month (i.e. only train agility and ba for a month) then saying it hasn't been done=impossible then saying its about people quitting then saying its about getting over 72k then saying its about not taking breaks then saying L2<3agility then saying your clan=all possible mindsets then saying you want to see it done for 40m then saying it cant be like farming then saying its about 90-100k then saying tbh. idk how you can even believe yourself there. You randomly switch between rates for no reason other than to raise the same objection at a different rate. Your "formal challenge" of a 40m month is stupid. You have already said that the same thing applies to someone who can switch skills and not agility/ba. A 40m month would require constant agility and ba which has many times before been said to be impractical which is why skill switching is nescesary The challenge should be 40mil in under 555 hours of agil/barb where more time can be spent doing anything else they want to. Tbh its probably because I missed a comma and my grammar is wrong that you can't understand any part of what I'm saying. Oh look at that, I forgot to put commas before every "then saying", there's really no point in you replying to this because you can't understand it.

Wait so now it's 90-100k not over 72k as you previously said? I believe your original argument is that they would quit, not that they wouldn't get 72k+. i.e. they would get over 72k for 10mil xp then quit. Its like you are just switching sides and pretending that you have been looking at the issue from a different angle from the very start when actually you've just been switching angles when your argument runs dry lol.

That is not why this conversation is still going on. It is quite easy to get 72k for many many hours in a row, with that figure the horn needs to be filled in 9 hours. 9 hours is a lot of time so there is no disputing if the horn could be filled fast enough. Furthermore, if less than perfect rates were very common that would make the horn even more useful so I am not using perfect rates to make my point more valid. The reason that this is still being discussed is because Jebrim thinks that phsycologically it is not possible which others disagree with. It has nothing to do with the impossible to maintain rates that I use. I would actually say that agility is the skill that is easiest skill to train at max pace consistently. ^This. Although being efficient doesn't nescesarily mean perfectly efficient. Players can get a middleground that is both somewhat efficient and also is a method that they can enjoy and not burn out. Perfect efficiency, however, will most likely cause them to burn out and lose this marathon.

Telmo has enough samaden for 9000+ hours of mining lol. maths>335m agility :P

Thankyou for pointing that out, I think it's fixed now. Telmo seems to have stopped before 200m. He's probably saving space for effigies :P Or maybe he wants to pass drumgun's title in 1 day instead of staying equal with him for months.

I think the argument is to get over 72k not to maximise. You yourself said over 72k A full clan isn't a massive amount of people. Get over 1000 people and see if anyone would do this. Because that's what we are talking about, you say it will *never* be done, a clan of idk 300 people is not a huge amount. And BTW if I underestimated the size of your clan that is still irrelevent as there still needs to be a huge amount. What he is saying is that kingduffy will fail because he swaps skills. I hope you realise that gaining 20m agility doesn't even have to be their goal for them to achieve 73k. If they do 1 full horn of agility then woodcut for 2 months and come back to agility they still have not harmed the above 72k figure. If you remember from before in this thread you need to fill a horn in 9 hours to get more than 72k, if 4 hours is an acceptable time with a pro team then if you have people lag out halfway through wave 7 it is still exceedingly easy to fill it in a spare 5 hours. The 4 other players can teleport to castle wars and cut ivy while they wait for the team mate to return. If you're in a clan doing an event every 2 weeks then it may take 20 months to fill the horn enough times for 20mil xp but they get there in the end.

The bolded part is really where you are going wrong. When your horn is empty and you don't have a team, it doesn't disallow you to do anything OTHER than agility, and agility is only one of the 25 skills in runescape. As said, with one full fill per week, you could do agility in 3 years, and managing to get 5 people together for 4 hours a week is VERY easy, particularly for the best players of the game. As also said, agility is a very unpopular skill, and none of the active top 15 has actively trained agility yet, but when they will, it's highly likely they will use horn(or effigies, as i will). Also, BA is much simpler than many would think. You basically only need 2 decent people and the other 3 can afk, still managing full fill in 4,5 hours. 1) The method I expressed works just as well for anybody who doesn't want to spend any time doing other skills as well as for people who do. It allows for more adaptability overall than your method. 2) I'm not talking about just the top 15. I'm talking about everybody in RuneScape. As far as I can tell, not one player actually does BA and Agility regularly in combo. There are lots of people claiming that it works better than just pure Agility, but I have yet to see any proof of anybody successfully doing it. 1) How does doing no other skills allow more adaptability? You are stuck doing 2 things. 2) People successfully did it for 90-99 agility. Successfully doesn't have to mean for 500mil agility xp. I think if doing it for 7mil xp and get 90k/hr that is enough evidnece that it can be done for longer periods and get 73k/hr I would agree with rawrsicles that is is like cave crawlers which are actually worth the extra cost. Oh and btw "Jerseyman32" is getting (perhaps got by this stage) 99 slayer on cave crawlers.

Join a clan where theres a clan chat full of people ready to do ba. It would be like walking into the dung lobby in W117 and getting a team in 3 mins. The others don't even have to be training with the horn they could just love it. I'm not saying it's likely that anyone will do this (there aren't many people who train agil for a long period after 99 I'm sure you have a different idea of "that many" to what I do), I'm just saying its isn't as impossible as something like demonic thrones.

This scared me.

Wow theres a max zeal? Suiciding in soul wars keeps up your activity so you dont have to worry about getting too much xp :) I think you could also use splash mage Goodluck with collecting 63k blue charms while only training combat at SW :angry: That's what cannons are for, if you notice in my suggested setup for max xp potential I didnt use SW to max range. Of course you could use rings of recoil lol but meh. Also I thought you could get charms from soul wars.

Wow theres a max zeal? Suiciding in soul wars keeps up your activity so you dont have to worry about getting too much xp :) I think you could also use splash mage

Drumgun will be sharing his title of player with most skill at 200M with Telmo once that happens. Concerning Barty, he's been mentionned a couple times already I think by Jebrim. IT would be nice to see how he compares on the time Calc with other contenders. It also depends if he plans to raise slayer and combat, if not, he's definitely not a contender or will end up locking multiple effigies (farm-fish and mining-smithing). Edit: Barty should be considered a "lesser" version of Dapledo, another player under the radar. I wonder if drumgun will speed through another 200m to regain his title Barty's time is somewhere between green and lan.

I think the max possible xp gained in 24 hours is around 2.2bil :lol: That's 200m in att/str/def/hp/prayer/magic/slayer at soul wars 200m farming at vinesweeper 18m dungeoneering 544 bank+inventory space would be coins, agility tickets, magic stones, blue charms and effigies. Cannon for all the effigies and blue charms. There's space for 540 effigies. They take 19 seconds to open, that's 3 hours gone and 74m xp This is a rough estimate but I think you get approx 1xp in tickets for every 1xp gotten doing the obstacles in brimhaven. That's 100m agility. 99 to 200m construction is 187m. I believe its 12mil/hr I don't think it is much faster with sc because of the constant banking. That's 16 hours gone. I have no idea how fast you can use your points/tokens/tickets so if that takes 2 hours there is 3 left for summoning. With runners is 6000 charms per hour which is 4.7mil per hour. 14 mil xp from charms. I wouldn't be surprised if I missed some other token system. EDIT: I forgot to bonus xp the construction/summoning.

But then we wouldn't be able to fletch during combat. Wait nvm.

Next update will be "alch 15" death to multitasking. King, I doubt they will change it back. They didnt change back cooking either. When people suggested an option to be able to choose the old make 1 option instead Jagex said they could use their time better. EDIT: The stupid thing about this update is that its the non lazy people who multitask with bolts, the lazy people make longbows. This update makes bolts easier for lazy people but no laid back players use them.

Its just like 1 tick cooking and 1 tick prayer. Is there anything faster than broad arrows now?

Oh well. Damn its only 1 per tick now Can darts be used?

if they put in a make all option that would be stupid, then people can just get 2m bolts and get 99 with 3 clicks (+a few random events) EDIT: lmao they did it.

Ok I guess they reset at different times. EDIT: Or perhaps this shows that drumgun got closer to 67m in 24 hours instead of 87m in 30 hours

Drums record is 87m, not 67m Too bad mithril has too much dg xp, otherwise he could push it to 79m total xp from the 453 effigies, with the 8m tokens he has doing the rest. The summoning xp he is going to get will decide if he can break the record, though it would be nice to see him get to the low 100M's. http://runetrack.com/records_skill.php?skill=overall ?

He could also beat Jebrim's agility record if he changed his mind. 1 effigy is 138k xp so 453 would be 62.5M which is only 4.4M off beating drumgun's daily record so idk what you're talking about 19m summoning for.

Well done paperbag you've done the right thing, good luck irl.

Its just cave crawlers but using the luring method to get more kills than zarfot did. Although this guy claims to have a faster way. qfc: [qfc]17-18-611-62809431[/qfc] he hasn't tested it and it may not be faster but its a lot cheaper.

As I was saying before. If someone had maxed all the slow investigation skills then it wouldn't be worth killing them for slayer. Also for people like simon there is the opposite problem in that he gets so many effigies that it would be better to switch to AZ's part of the way through.

Hmm the figures seem pretty dodgy to me. And I think I've worked out how - it assumes you do cave crawlers to 200m all combat stats and then stop, even if the effigy xp is still faster than the training rate. Thus Skiller 703, with comparatively low combat stats, gets shoved up the list as he gets 7450 effigies covering slayer rc agility and mining. Toony, however, gets just 1100 effigies, meaning that he is put down as training rc, even though for a 200m all skills goal he would be faster continuing at cave crawlers. So his very high combat stats actually INCREASES the amount of time he has left for 200m everything. I think the current setup works for most players so imo its the best option. In other words that spreadsheet is broken atm :P P.S. to make that more emphasised - Drumgun suffers from this too and is out of order on the list - his figure lies between el popo1 and aribiterspar, and only slightly below mine Calc isn't really broken, it would be impossible to set it up so that someone continues after maxing cb until they have maxed any slow skills like rc because of how much people's xp varies. It is possible that this is not the case for suomi because he has several slow skills maxed. Also for someone who will max a slow skill half way through crawlering it may cahnge from being good to crawler after maxing melee to not being good. Also ty for pointing out drumgun, fixed his place.