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Thats half the fun ^^ I was about to say that! lol OT: telmo is back and gained 1mil hunter today.

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Penance_horn Top players don't use it With agility it saves 9.7 hours of agility training and takes 4 hours or so to fill. With mining it saves 5.5 hours on mining and takes 4 or so hours to fill. (Mining is a bit different to agility and firemaking because urn xp is not doubled) sc u can get many many pts and then use them all at once(tho its not worth it for training only cashsaving.) with ba u have to keep alternating ba skill ba skill ba skill so harder to keep focused on goal cant play ba for a month and have double exp the next.... urns for mining is sorta useless but if mining/superheating its not that worth it and if mining/afk then it mens mining is afk so its better definately to use on the first 2. Personally I like switching between sc and skill because doing 1 thing for too long gets boring. I you formed a permanent BA team, perhaps all going for 99 mining, you wouldn't have to spend time finding teams and playing with noobs. Urns add 15k/hr if you are superheating or low alching. If you are afk'ing then urns make you need to bank more and if you bring too many urns you will fill up your inv fast and will miss some mining when you come back from afk. EDIT: Its barely worth it for mining if you superheat [hide]The horn gives 1200k total xp at 99. If we take a sample of gaining 1200k the time saved on mining is 1200/100 - 1200/185= 5.51 The smithing xp gained per hour of mining is the same whether you use a horn or not but if you consider getting 200m mining you will clearly have to smith more addy plates after mining if you get lots of free mining xp. Each hour you mine 85k xp worth of ore. Without the horn you would get 1200x (85/100) x (56.2/65)= 882k smithing With the horn 1200x (85/185) x (56.2/65)= 477k smith The time lost on smithing is 477/285 - 882/285 = 1.42 Overall skilling time saved = 5.51- 1.42= 4.09 If you fill the horn in 4 hours then you save 0.09 hours (5 mins) in 4 +1200/185 + 477/285= 12.2 hours Which is a 0.7% decrease[/hide]

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Penance_horn Top players don't use it With agility it saves 9.7 hours of agility training and takes 4 hours or so to fill. With mining it saves 5.5 hours on mining and takes 4 or so hours to fill. (Mining is a bit different to agility and firemaking because urn xp is not doubled) EDIT: The mining doesn't include extra time spent smithing if you are superheating ore.

Btw penance horn for firemaking is not worth it. [hide] A horn gives 3,560k xp (90-95) or 1780k bonus. The time saved on firemaking is 1780/473= 3.8 hours At max rate and for a 4 hour filling the horn would need to give 3784k which seems too high[/hide]

Sorry. My bad.

Thankyou for that info. I'll use your 97-98 figure instead. Although that's only 20k higher than the 95-97 figure so the xp rate is 102k/hr now :P 1 little known fact about the penace horn is that it fills faster if you do waves 1-4 then reset. Possibly fewer waves than that is better but you spend some time resetting. As for C2 wc. I heard it was 80k/hr. I don't think it got nerfed like fishing did.

Yes; penguins and the circus agility/magic performances are all worth doing :) (if you don't max magic entirely during other skills) And before someone mentions it. 101k agil is with ba horn based on 4 hours to fill the horn and the xp gained using the horn at 95-97 agility (because I can't find any figures on the xp it gives at higher levels)

Lol buyable dungeoneering! And well done king duffy

OK you know more about it than I do but I still think its odd how slow my xp rate was. It is 43.5xp for a split or 29 per log if using adze.

I think he's going for the uber cape so he needs the new spells but he hasn't gained much agil xp recently. He got some agility and magc xp on the 19th so he might have been doing some livid farm then.

They obviously love the math. :thumbup:

What I'm saying is I tested it and got 90k/hr. I alched logs instead of splitting them so that I wouldn't miss any ticks from a missclick with the click intensive splitting. I think that figure is way too low so my idea was that splitting might effect woodcutting the same way eating effects fishing. You are the expert on this matter so I'm asking you if you think my idea is plausible. 140k would be 134k/hr with adze if you think that's possible. 130k was the old figure for C2 fishing trio before. I didn't use barbarian fishing because I wasn't bothered to solve the fishing/strength problem (fishing trains strength and strength trains fishing creating an infinate loop). I quickly put together that calc just to see if I could get it to check through all the skills and use lamps on slowest-fastest, as well as change investigating from slow to fast skill. It was never meant to be a proper calculator for players so I didn't put a long time into barb fishing.

No need to critisise my 147k figure, it would be correct if I wasn't given faulse information <_< I tested alching and got 90k/hr based on a 27 min test. I'm 95 wc and I boosted to 96 for the first 10 mins but I doubt 4 levels would make such a difference. I also stopped woodcutting 5 times and got the message "you swing your hatchet at the tree" but also not a significant difference. This sounds crazy but maybe splitting and woodcutting is like eating and fishing. I don't fully understand eat/fish so I'll leave it to you to decide if it's plausible. Can someone else test alching there? It is ~325.74 xp/log so just multiply that by your logs/hr Or if you use an adze and assume it is actually burning 1 in 3 logs multiply by 311.24

Mystery solved. I got 140k from Bu11seye00's vid Its 20 seconds long but I assume he got the xp rate from a long test since he gets 1429xp in 20 seconds which is 257k/hr

What's funny? I don't think its obvious that it does or doesnt interrupt. If you are lolling that when alching the logs you dont get xp for splitting obviously you alch for an hour and divide magic xp gain by 65 to get the logs cut and work out the xp for wc that way.

OK I'll change that then. But does splitting interrupt wc? If not then the max rate can be found by alching the logs.

I could swear you changed the description in your vid to 140k/hr and then back to 130k. I guessed you had just got 1 really good hour and changed it to 140 and then changed back to the more normal 130k.

You can knock out and double thieve every 6 ticks= 320k/hr I know it's 6 ticks because I filmed myself thieving and timed 5 perfect thieves in a row and it was 18.2 seconds with a little error from starting/stopping the timer. If you are again saying that getting 320k/hr for 200 hours isn't possible- read xensures post there.

That also assumes you never get caught by the monkey. You don't get caught by monkeys if you punch while they are unconscious. That's from my experience anyway.

Cannonballs, titan scrolls, cls repairs. For 7500 hours or so.

Still not that much seeing as combat (excluding summoning and prayer) is his biggest expense at 15bil. Whereas con is only 2bil

He said what he thought was the max rate was so I told him the max rate. The extra xp isn't worth it so I don't use it in calculations. I always check if super expensive methods save time before I start using them. I'm not sure that's enough :P He doesn't have much xp in buyables and its ~44B starting at all 99s.

I use max rates for a number of reasons

Good Foot got 140k at pines with adze. 147k is with d axe. D axe saves 15 seconds every hour when you include firemaking xp. You said foot got 120k with purple sweets I thought that was before urns so I added 20% and took off 1k because of fish filling the urn to 100.5% and you lose some potential xp so you don't get a full 20% bonus.

Yeah I changed that on my thread for getting 200m in all skills but didn't change it for the spreadsheet yet. Things change pretty much every time I do a time update so there's not much point in comparing with previous times to see who progressed the most until it finally stops changing.