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DO we need the number assigned or just the task like could i make an excel and just type spiritual mages or i have to type x number of spiritual mages.
im interested in this myself and my current blocklist is task that i could do or cancel (firegiants greaters, waterfiend, mages, torts)
i have aquanites unblocked lol >.> so if we cancel a task it still counts right as long as logged ? and could excel do thee frequencies for us or vex/xen? :P
can i cancel every task but icestryke during this expiriement 300 task is only 9k points to cancel and then 500 points for the ultimate block list id like to know what mage exp/effigies/profit camping icestryke all day is just for lolz =p as long as task are recorded that are blocked it should find the right frequency right?
Yes it does not matter if you skip or do the tasks. Can you also record the number assigned as that is also important in how good a task is (e.g. mith drags could have a good xp rate but only 9 assigned in a task makes them not such a great task). I'm not sure but I heard neither slayer level nor combat level effects the number assigned so maybe we could get the average of the max and min number assigned? Probably better to record them anyway.
After that we need an xp rate for
Desert strykewyrms
Jungle strykewyrms
Warped tortoises
Terror dogs
Which Zarfots guide doesn't have, those shouldn't be hard to get
Lol you quoted Viv's post with my name by accident XD
Lol must have happened when I reduced the quote tree :P
I only know 1 person who has un blocked aquanites on purpose it'll be interesting to see how they compare to other tasks.
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Thanks, I think its 3 melee to 1 slayer
I'm already making a spreadsheet for it lol. Have fun camping ice strykes for 5 days lol
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[/hide]DO we need the number assigned or just the task like could i make an excel and just type spiritual mages or i have to type x number of spiritual mages.
im interested in this myself and my current blocklist is task that i could do or cancel (firegiants greaters, waterfiend, mages, torts)
i have aquanites unblocked lol >.> so if we cancel a task it still counts right as long as logged ? and could excel do thee frequencies for us or vex/xen? :P
can i cancel every task but icestryke during this expiriement 300 task is only 9k points to cancel and then 500 points for the ultimate block list id like to know what mage exp/effigies/profit camping icestryke all day is just for lolz =p as long as task are recorded that are blocked it should find the right frequency right?
Yes it does not matter if you skip or do the tasks. Can you also record the number assigned as that is also important in how good a task is (e.g. mith drags could have a good xp rate but only 9 assigned in a task makes them not such a great task). I'm not sure but I heard neither slayer level nor combat level effects the number assigned so maybe we could get the average of the max and min number assigned? Probably better to record them anyway.
After that we need an xp rate for
Desert strykewyrms
Jungle strykewyrms
Warped tortoises
Terror dogs
Which Zarfots guide doesn't have, those shouldn't be hard to get
desert strike are like 200-240 kills an hr but idk i suck at slayer lol
um not doing jungles those fail
tortoise r boring too
terror dogs are a task i do because of low number assigned so prob could test the exp rate =p
edit : nnot recording number assigned atm but max/min to give a pretty good read on number assigned/length of task :P
Great you started skipping already! :D
EDIT: we also need a xp/hr for aquanites
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DO we need the number assigned or just the task like could i make an excel and just type spiritual mages or i have to type x number of spiritual mages.
im interested in this myself and my current blocklist is task that i could do or cancel (firegiants greaters, waterfiend, mages, torts)
i have aquanites unblocked lol >.> so if we cancel a task it still counts right as long as logged ? and could excel do thee frequencies for us or vex/xen? :P
can i cancel every task but icestryke during this expiriement 300 task is only 9k points to cancel and then 500 points for the ultimate block list id like to know what mage exp/effigies/profit camping icestryke all day is just for lolz =p as long as task are recorded that are blocked it should find the right frequency right?
Yes it does not matter if you skip or do the tasks. Can you also record the number assigned as that is also important in how good a task is (e.g. mith drags could have a good xp rate but only 9 assigned in a task makes them not such a great task). I'm not sure but I heard neither slayer level nor combat level effects the number assigned so maybe we could get the average of the max and min number assigned? Probably better to record them anyway.
After that we need an xp rate for
Desert strykewyrms
Jungle strykewyrms
Warped tortoises
Terror dogs
Which Zarfots guide doesn't have, those shouldn't be hard to get
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Arcane rift helped me secure the spreadsheet to calculate people's times so now you can put someone's name into the first sheet called "name" and the time will appear in the other sheet "time calc"
So you guys can now use it without people wrecking it :thumbsup:
Enjoy.
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I personally would be interested in seeing a task list that gives the maximum possible Slayer xp/hr if effigies are used on Slayer. Would such a list be identical to a max effigy task list or some “intermediate” between pure Slayer xp and max effigies that the Allarwut mentioned? Elias uses his effigies on Slayer and he told me that including effigy xp he gets near 60k Slayer xp/hr but no more than that. Is it possible to customize such a list or is 60k the max?
Unfortunately we cannot get the optimal task lists until someone tests the assignment frequency :( You need the frequency to firstly find if a task with decent effigies assigned often is better than a task with good effigies assigned rarely.
You also need it to find how many points you will have left after skipping the worst task, then the 2nd worst ect... until you have spent all your points.
I know you asked vex or xe' to answer but I thought I might be able to answer your question, even if it isn't the answer you wanted.
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I have made a model in excel that attempts to calculate the expected number of kills for each NPC on any particular task list over any interval of xp after 93 slayer. I used zarfot's task frequencies from his last task list. Again I have no proof that it is the optimal task list, but Thai's formula should help with that. I also used his slayer log data to get charm drop rates. His data can be found here: http://www.mediafire.com/?jijr4ysu5ihmihk
Since this model give the expected number of kills for each NPC, I have already calculated the expected number of crimson and blue charms, the expect prayer xp from bonecrusher and urns on black demon tasks. If I was given the approximate drop rate of herbs from all of the NPCs I could get the expected herbacide xp. Also with the drop rates of the more valuable drops I could get the expected revenue. Pretty much with specific drop rates I could get the expected number of any drop from all of the NPC that are from Zarfot's final task list.
This is where my problem is. I only have the frequencies from that specific task list so I can only make predictions based on that task list only. If there is someone with 93 slayer and 138cmb willing to unblock all tasks and do like 300 tasks to figure out the true frequency of tasks from at least kuradel(sp?) if not more of the task masters. Or if someone happens to have a lot of slayer points saved up and is willing[/hide] sacrifice them to science (lol)[hide] they could just unblock all tasks and then get and cancel at least 100, but more would be better, tasks in a row and just write down each one this would find the frequencies.
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So if anyone can give me the drop rates for pretty much any item from any of these NPCs, I can get the expected number you should get over the course of any interval of slayer xp.
Ice strykewyrms
Steel dragons
Bloodvelds
Dagannoth
Black demons
Dark beasts
Waterfiends
Aberrant spectres
Mithril dragons
Black dragons
Iron dragons
Skeletal wyverns
Suqahs
Hellhounds **note** Zarfot cancelled from here down.
Greater demons
Nechryaels
Dust devils
Fire giants
TzHaar
Terror dogs
Warped tortoises
Blue dragons
Kalphites
Spiritual mages
Zarfot has these blocked so I don't have frequencies thus I can not make predictions about the number killed:
Abyssal demons
Aquanites
Desert strykewyrms
Gargoyles
Jungle strykewyrms
Living rock creatures[/hide]
:o nice you added urns already, good work.
Sry the science thing was so funny XD
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^ :o I forgot dung effigy increased after 99
I can indeed vouch paperbag was the best flipper ive ever known and was a very good friend at teaching me it <3 only problem is flipping was already crap for a long time and now its alot different so to do it while skilling..etc like you could before could present a problem
I can see long/short term investment coming back.
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@ Paperbag make sure you dont miss xensures post up there =p Is a very good idea if you have the $ its prolly stll possible to old school flip of some sort
It would cost about 2.7b with inflated bonus xp prices for slayer and save 2700 hours on those "slow" skills (I do not count hunter and thieving as slow). Probably something similar for dungeoneering. Any chance you have 5.4bil to spare? :D
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Concerning rank 1, I think you'd be surprised about how many top players actually care about taking it. I believe Telmo, Elvis, and Jdel are far more interested in making noobs THINK they're competing heavily for #1 just for the "lulz" than they are in actually being #1. With that said, whoever takes #1 will probably end up having it as an extra side result of just their normal day-to-day training, rather than it being a specific goal.
[spoiler=Epic post]I guess I'm one of the few that really cares and wants rank 1 lol. Ever since I started this game that was my dream goal. I always adored Zezima and how much fame he got. I wanted exactly that. And after I got all 99s (before dung) I thought it might actually be possible since I was just learning how to flip just after I maxed. I caught on with it very quickly.
So as I went for 200m cooking with sharks I started making billions so I figured I had a great chance at rank 1 since I could do the super expensive buyables. I slowly made my way to the top page with the cheap buyable 200m xp skills. I think I may have been the most dedicated and one of the all time fastest flippers of all time tbh. I was easily making 40-60m a day when doing 200m firemaking and fletching. I easily had enough money to get 200m prayer and herblore etc. Rank 1 was looking very likely! And I knew Gertjaars wasn't rich enough to get the super expensive skills. So I was almost sure I would get it.
But then... dungeoneering decides to come out, which pretty much ruined this goal. Dungeoneering makes me want to punch the wall and cry irl. And it also ruined my motivation alot too for other 200ms. I slowed down a bit, but kept going anyway. I'm almost positive I would have achieved rank 1 if dungeoneering didn't come out when it did. I also didnt expect other top ranks to keep going at the pace they were, Allar and Drumgun for example, since I figured they didn't have the money for 200m prayer and herblore. And I knew that Allar wouldn't go for 200m range like I am right now since he enjoys slayer more. I enjoy training fast skills for the most part.
It's not that I want to be hidden underneath the top overall page. In fact, I want it more than anyone. It's just that I just cant train dungeoneering. I hate it so freaking much. And I have no idea how I am going to get 120. Effigies maybe? Lol. Or if I can figure out a way to not die 5 times a dungeon.
I do still want rank 1 very badly but just realize at this point it is most likely not going to happen. And I accept it. So instead my goal now is to get 200m xp in all skills. Sure I would still love to be rank 1 overall if I can get the chance to somehow, and get myself to do dungeoneering without wanting to cry about it.
I don't even really play this game for fun. I play mainly for ranks and gaining xp. Which can be fun at times still which is good. It does definitely get tireing after awhile training the same skill for weeks and I do burn out, but I force myself to keep going. It's still definitely alot better than playing something like WoW or something intensely combat related, which I strongly dislike.
My main aim from the beginning was to find something where I could try to be the best at it. I've come close, but not quite enough. But I've come so far so I will not give up now, and I never will. I will one day get all 200ms, I may not be the first, but I will do it. I never have any plans to quit unless I'm dead first. So let's hope that doesn't happen! I may slow down at times and take breaks but I would announce it if it were to be a massive break. But I never take massive breaks anyway :P
I definitely expect Suomi to beat me, and I dont mind too much. He's a great person too as I am great friends with him in game. I wish people would lay off the trolling to him with the donations and other crap. He really is a nice person and cares about people. I am quite like him I would say except I have less motivation than him and can't pull off the hours he does and I can't concentrate perfectly on skills like him for that long without feeling like I want to kill myself. But we do both love skilling with a passion. So I love ya mate. <3 Hopefully I can be 2nd to all 200m skills. But we'll see what happens.
Also I love to show off my hiscores and cash to people. I'm just a person who loves fans. The haters I don't like obviously but I try to change their viewpoint about why I do what I do. It makes me feel good about myself that I accomplished something so immense and had the attention to do the grinding required for 200m skills. It's fun getting spammed with trades at the G.E with people wanting to see my massive bank. It's very fun to know that they are in shock at how in the world I got my hands on all that money and wish they could have it. Lol, fun times. Not rich anymore though since there is no need to be, since I am basically done with buyables, after I finish 200m farming by the end of this year.
Anyway, not sure why I wrote all this, but with the mention about how people feel about rank 1, I felt I needed to let this out, and how my view of this game is and how I like to play it. You can post your comments about my views positively or negatively. I'm all up for how people feel about this. Enjoy the long read.
You might be the best candidate to give the cave crawler method a try since you seem to be the richest of the top 15 and you hate slayer and like fast xp. If you go all the way to 200m melee you will have gained enough effies for 200m slayer and 200m in rc, agil, drungeon, or whatever other skill you dislike the most. Even though you will be getting around 300k/h total xp (not including charms) I can't imagine they are much more fun than dungeon after the 1000th hour... lol. Goodluck in your endeavors. Just curious, but I am assuming you already have farming and summoning supplies for 200m already bought?
That's a great idea, I never really thought anyone would blow cash on it to save time but paperbag might have the motivation to do so.
"Perfect" task list is highly debatable, depends what do you mostly want to focus on. Effigies, charms, pure slayer xp or something intermediate?Zarfot's task list was supposed to be constructed with maximum effigies on mind and he skipped tasks that weren't particularly good effigies per unit of time. If you were to go for absolute maximum slayer xp/h then Sumona might be worth exploring, several tasks in her dungeon (crawlers, banshees, basilisks) are very fast, between 60-90k/h. However, she doesn't assign dark beasts or ice wyrms which would no doubt kill your effigy ratio.
I don't specifically go for any of the above, as I don't purposely skip low-effigy tasks if I want to do them for other reasons (fire giants for afk task in CT, terrorbirds from shilo because they're a nice fast cannon task albeit non-effigy droppers)
I don't do fiends or wyverns which are good for summoning either because I just can't be bothered with them, although I'm thinking I will start doing fiends if the charm attractor is coming out any time before I am done with slayer. The reason I use Lapalok is because the only benefit I can personally see from Kuradal is slightly faster abyssals (as I wouldn't do anything else in her dungeon, cannon what's cannonable elsewhere) which does not outweigh four or five Kuradal unique tasks that would go on my skip list.
And something else to think about, each skipped task costs around 80k gp in runes that you could have bought with the points instead, if you want to look at it that way. I don't skip many tasks myself so I actually make a quite nice profit from slayer points.
Sorry i couldn't resist posting this *drumgun close your eyes* me and xensure made a formula for finding the perfect task list which can be adjusted depending on whether or not you want effigies and charms (Could add profit too if you knew gp/hr of all tasks). Unfortunately to find your best tasks we'd need someone with 93 slayer and 138cb to unblock all tasks, unlock aquanites and record maybe 100-300 tasks. I would personally do this if I was max cb and going for 99, but not yet.
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Stop talking in the names box! There is a chat box on the side
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Ok thanks to immature kids deleting codes it can't be used anymore. I expected this would happen so I have a copy of it.
Does anyone know a way to only allow editing of certain cells on google docs?
Here's another copy which you can read but not edit
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=trQ6V4ZEFJL8l4Um923ccKQ&authkey=CISXl5MP#gid=1
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Hehe I saw you putting your name into it.
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Ok I think 2 people made a spreadsheet to find times left for players and I decided to make 1 of my own with more detail in it. I must thank Arcane rift who gave me the formula to get players' xp from hs and xensure who helped a bit in making it.
Heres a copy of it which you can use to test different players out, try putting your own name into it :P
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=t4bz0jtlEUE6FcwFtMwBfHw&authkey=CJCx_io#gid=2
Sorry its a bit messy, you can also change the number of years they play for before maxing.
This calc finds the optimal combination of farming patches to be used, uses effigies to max slayer then rc then agility it does not use lamps on anything further than those skills. If the player starts at 200m in for example, mining, the effigies will be opened with smithing. But if they start at 180m mining all effigies are opened with mining.
These are the times for the top 15 players on langer's list. The number before the name is their ranking on his list. I set the years they play for to a figure that makes them play close to 7 hours/day.
8. SU O M I : 11755
1. Allar 12275
4. Zarfot 12503
11. Tezz : 12951
13. Lan : 13143
6. Elvis : 13325
12. Kingduffy 13395
3. Drumgun : 13543
7. Elias : 13764
14. Erw J : 14250
5. telmomarques : 14058
2. Jdelacroix 15048
10. Gertjaars 15455
15. Green098 : 15543
9. Paperbag : 15605
Also toony who people were saying is a contender has 14764 hours left.
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Oh lol I thought he was replying to Afishansea... Sorry =P
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600ms is in no way more accurate than 0.6s.
I understand that the exact number may be like 608ms or something. If that's the case, then you'd just have to say 0.608s.
LOL! he said 600ms isn't accurate he didn't say 600ms was accurate/more accurate. He obviously meant that 0.6s isn't accurate
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^You quoted him!
I think plucky is right.
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It referred to both costs and the times/hr that you're eating sweets. I won't know specific rates until Foot gets around to testing how many sweets he'd use per hour. He won't test it until he has some more cash.
You could just get the number of sweets used/hr when using only sweets and take away the number of roe gotten, since the purely sweets method would include the extra sweets needed if 1 isn't caught after 3 ticks. Sorry if I am wrong again >.< I don't understand eat/fish very well.
If I am not wrong do you know the sweets/hr of purely sweets?
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Yes it may be the most expensive skill
I have the costs for the most efficient methods on this s forums thread qfc:154-155-864-61975974 on page 4. Range is the most expensive at 11 billion.
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Ok I get it now, sorry about that. I will just use 100k/hr (+19k from urns) for any calculations.
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There are currently 2 things slowing you down with the eating/cutting method. The first is not getting a caviar/roe, where your next fish will then occur after 5 ticks. The next is there's always a chance that you won't get a fish immediately after 3 ticks. If you fail to get a fish, it won't try to give it to you for another 5 ticks(8 total). By having the purple sweets, you can reduce it to 6 ticks by eating. The sweets will also replace the caviar/roe if you don't get it. So while it won't be 124k Xp/hr due to the chance of not actually getting a fish at 3 ticks, it should still be 100k+ Xp/hr with the addition of the sweets. The urns will also increase the Xp/hr a bit.
=o cool thanks. I caught and banked 1000 fish, the average fishing xp is 65, average agility/str is still 11 now I'll check how often you don't get roe/caviar.
EDIT: You get food 84% of the time. So from 99-200m you would need 460k sweets. Lol! they are 10k each now so that would be 4.6B. But it save 330 hours so you only need to be able to make 14m/hr.
And for purely sweets to be better you need to be able to make 44m/hr I don't know if that's possible with merching now.
You're also completely neglecting to calculate in the times when you don't get a fish after 3 ticks. There's a small chance that you will fail to get one(I am NOT referring to caviar/roe) and will be forced to wait another 5 ticks unless you ate again, in which case it'd be only another 3 ticks.
I thought you said that didn't happen with sweets. So then what is the xp rate of purely sweets? And when you said I was neglecting to calc did that refer to the costs?
Also, with urns it is 1 agil xp to 17.2 fishing and 1 cook to 7.9 fishing.
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@Thai
There are currently 2 things slowing you down with the eating/cutting method. The first is not getting a caviar/roe, where your next fish will then occur after 5 ticks. The next is there's always a chance that you won't get a fish immediately after 3 ticks. If you fail to get a fish, it won't try to give it to you for another 5 ticks(8 total). By having the purple sweets, you can reduce it to 6 ticks by eating. The sweets will also replace the caviar/roe if you don't get it. So while it won't be 124k Xp/hr due to the chance of not actually getting a fish at 3 ticks, it should still be 100k+ Xp/hr with the addition of the sweets. The urns will also increase the Xp/hr a bit.
=o cool thanks. I caught and banked 1000 fish, the average fishing xp is 65, average agility/str is still 11 now I'll check how often you don't get roe/caviar.
EDIT: You get food 84% of the time. So from 99-200m you would need 460k sweets. Lol! they are 10k each now so that would be 4.6B. But it save 330 hours so you only need to be able to make 14m/hr.
And for purely sweets to be better you need to be able to make 44m/hr I don't know if that's possible with merching now.
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^That doesn't stop him opening effigies with rc not summoning
Why is SUOMI runecrafting atm? Wouldn't it be easier for him to use effigies on it?
Oh well, he'll have his reasons for it, I'm sure.
Probably to get the slow skills out of the way.
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About the cooking with brawlers on last page, with the info from rs wiki it would take about 16 brawlers to get 200m cooking xp, still might be worth it if you get lucky or if they are not that rare.
That is if you teleport to the wild every inventory
If you teleport every 6 hours before the auto logout then you only need to make a few teleports to wildy
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Hey Jebrim or anyone else that knows a lot about fish/eat method, would it be possible to have some purple sweets in the inventory and eat them when you get fish offcuts and gain the full 120k/hr or whatever you would get with purely purple sweets.
200M in all Skills
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We were saying that camping there for all of slayer,rc,agil and fishing was inhuman but we were suggesting you'd only be camping for slayer and as xe showed it was a little longer than slayer but saving lots of time on slows. Sorry if you don't have cash to spend, I guessed you'd have some left after farm and smithing.
I saw that thread or a similar 1 but the guy knew it can only hit a max of 9 people in the 9 squares, the reason its faster is because you don't have to wait for spawns and should always hit 9 people if a lot show up. You also save money on prayer pots, the only downside is you might not hit much on other people wearing range armour and also since you die fairly often you cannot use range pots effectively.
To the person who asked would it be fastest without bonus xp. Yes if it is faster then skeleton monkeys both at 2.7 multiplier it is also faster than skeleton monkies at a 1.0 multiplier.
Arib I hope you don't find that technique for black demons because it would just be too easy then. Kind of like when xe found that you can cave crawler for faster 200m agility.