Stole the words right out of my mouth. And the only saving grace you give these sigs are a picture. Imo, do you have to have a picture in every sig you make? And yes, the whole grunge crap i hate, its just an excuse to pour a bunch of brushes on a canavas, or perhaps on an abstract. That or merge like 50 billion abstracts together. Point in fact, they all look the same, and its easy as hell to do. Well said. It's basically an abstract render you people put premade brushes ontop, then set the layer to 'Overlay'. leik omffg than u hve leik a grudge siggy mawh gawdh teh big one1!!1111 // Azvi. "People" like me right? Oh well, I'll live... Kinda too much grunge for me.