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Only ones I know for sure in the top 15 is Alkan and Paperbag (afaik). Doesn't mean they won't utilize it, but I do know they're against the whole process.

I don't blame players for doing it, I blame Jagex for providing the ability to do so. However, I also question why some players do end up doing it. I'm not talking about the money aspect, since I actually don't see much of an issue there, but I honestly wouldn't feel happy about any achievement I gained from using keys personally. That is the thing that makes me confused. I just feel that my account would be cheapened by doing so, and would take away the sense of accomplishment when I finally do clear that goal.

For 9 days at that. How many 200ms will be bought this week hmm. I can see some new top 15 forming!

"Time spent skilling" then should work. Bank standing a-log hours or asking for boyfriends in Edgeville doesn't count in the matter.

Ya but she probably did it by killing 1 monster a wave and not completing for another 20 minutes. It's more "fun" that way you know.

No, because I didn't refresh the page 20 times a minute to make sure you changed it. When I posted, you didn't make your edit yet. So basically, you can't handle getting 200ms in these days and can only handle doing agility now? That shows you can't do what these top pagers do with their many more 200ms, but you still think you're better than them because of 1 single skill you trained "the hard way". You have a long way to go missy. Even if you had 1b collective agility, you still won't have put more work into your account than they have, even with donations / minigame "abusing" / silverhawk booting. Come back with even half of the work they put in, and you can start to have an opinion that matters.

Unfortunately, slayer is hard to really say as the block lists, style you use, what gear you have access to, and luck that Kuradal doesn't kick you while you're down all come into play. Sticking to most higher exp tasks, I'm netting roughly 130k exp per hour on average, without anything fancy (Chaotic staff, Royal Xbow, Drygores for all meleeable tasks outside of strykes). It's definitely not the most efficient way to slay either, just the way I prefer doing it since I want more melee exp. The new Kalgerion Demons seem to be 130k + slayer per hour, even with how long they take to kill as well. Thanks :P at least 1 person making this thread somewhat valueable, I remember before maging was the fastest pretty much for anything with seismics is this still true or? Pretty much is the fastest even with Chaotic Staff due to the stacking ability with auto-attack. I'm unsure if that will change with the upcoming changes to some mage spells however, but I can still see mage coming out on top in the end. When the new 2h staff comes out though, it will be superior to seismics, as the auto-attack dmg will be higher.

Don't care if you like SC, still makes you a failed Fletchile, should have just kept the points and not used on anything. No matter how much you try, you will not gain people's respect and admiration for doing things before faster methods came out, when you whine excessively about it and belittle others for their same achievements. Yes, SAME achievements. 200m exp is 200m exp. I don't care if you got 200m thieving by pickpocketing only Men, it's no more or less impressive than someone who got it via Dwarf Traders w/ "abused" heist bonus xp. Did you really just say pickpocketing men to 200m thief is as impressive as doing traders with heist xp. wtf? All looks the same on the hiscores babe.

Don't care if you like SC, still makes you a failed Fletchile, should have just kept the points and not used on anything. No matter how much you try, you will not gain people's respect and admiration for doing things before faster methods came out, when you whine excessively about it and belittle others for their same achievements. Yes, SAME achievements. 200m exp is 200m exp. I don't care if you got 200m thieving by pickpocketing only Men, it's no more or less impressive than someone who got it via Dwarf Traders w/ "abused" heist bonus xp.

So you're a failed fletchile then, you used bonus exp to do your fletching, should have done it the right way by making arrows from scratch. Regarding the E-drama, pot calling the kettle black to the finest degree. Unfortunately, slayer is hard to really say as the block lists, style you use, what gear you have access to, and luck that Kuradal doesn't kick you while you're down all come into play. Sticking to most higher exp tasks, I'm netting roughly 130k exp per hour on average, without anything fancy (Chaotic staff, Royal Xbow, Drygores for all meleeable tasks outside of strykes). It's definitely not the most efficient way to slay either, just the way I prefer doing it since I want more melee exp. The new Kalgerion Demons seem to be 130k + slayer per hour, even with how long they take to kill as well.

You just proved my point >_> Ask yourself: why did people choose to donate to Suomi, of all people? Why did people donate to Suomi and not you? What's the difference between you two? I want respect when i finally achieve 200m all. not controversy like suomi has caused. Respect is not gained simply by achieving a goal in a specific way. Respect also comes with how you handle yourself with those achievements. The whole Suomi incident with Jagex HQ and the events leading up to it made Suomi lose respect from alot of people, and not because of the whole donation nonsense. If you try to downgrade other people's achievements because you did it the "hard way", it won't make people respect you either, it will actually do the complete opposite. Be humble, not arrogant and egotistic. Respect is earned, not given, no matter what end goal you achieve.

Even if the majority of those are only multilogging because of how dead the minigames are (which i doubt is the majority, but I could be wrong), increasing the rewards is only going to make people who are multi-logging them want to do it more, because it's more rewarding, as well as encourage those on the fence to now do it. The problem really lies in how Jagex handles the rule breakers, or in this case, doesn't.

It's almost like celebrities now, people cling onto anything they do "wrong" so they can [bleep] about them to make themselves feel superior. If people would just concentrate on themselves instead of centering their (game) lives around others, this wouldn't be an issue.

You guys think making the rewards better will DETER people from multilogging them? You do realize most people are not multilogging because of a lack of people, but because of how much easier it is to manipulate the results right?

As long as people get 200m agil "easier" than her, she'll never get over it. She will continue to flex her e-muscles and downgrade other people's achievements so she can continue to clutch to her single achievement like it's the only thing in life that matters.

How about we just permanently lock it But how else would Lover Sexio get the admiration and respect she so desperately requires to live day by day for doing Agility the "right way"?

Have to agree with you on this point. What they should do is add something to compensate for the effort, like a hefty amount of Thieving experience or something. This way, people won't get nothing for their effort.

He's getting smith bonus from SC. That can't be even close to efficient? Or how much bonus xp is it per hour? You're talking about someone who did Rocktails for most of his 200m fishing

Actually yesterday went to buy some SH feathers and they instabought for 19k per now. I think they fell after jagex fixed the glitch of them not coming on TH. Taking that into account it's actually 4.13b for 187m, or 2.87m per hour, definitely worth using.

Yeah mousekey users won't notice quite as much of a difference, but with such a minority of players using it, it really does speed it up for most. I for instance have never once used mousekeys (esp after this whole legal / illegal debate with jmods conflicting each other), and this update is a bloody dream for me. Overloads I have almost doubled in speed, if not more, as well as the other skills once I get used to the button location more.

True, I was more basing it off of overloads and such for good time saving. But even saving a couple ticks per bank session can really add up over the time it takes to hit 200m. Every automatic bank closure basically saves at least a tick per inventory, along with cutting out alot of ticks from less clicking. Example - crafting: Banking dhide bodies and withdrawing more leather takes at the very least (correct me if I'm wrong) 4 clicks, plus an additional click to close the bank (Depositing all will cause more clicking because you have to re-withdraw the thread). Under this new system, it takes 1 single click (the loadout button), to bank the bodies and withdraw the leather, with the bank automatically closing. That's 4 clicks less every single inventory, which definitely adds up.

Overloads are amazing with this update. It not only speeds up the process, but lowers the strain on the hands allowing for much better consistency. I don't know exactly how much time this changes in terms of 200m, but it should definitely make a nice dent. I think the biggest impact of this is also the closing of the bank when loading a preset as well.

Who said being in a relationship meant that you have to give all of your assets/share all of your assets with your significant other? Unless someone was stupid enough to tell their SO that they will now be sharing all their assets and liabilities with each other, there is no way for the courts (in the US) to make the male turnover assets to the SO. This is why people keep separate checking, savings, retirement and investment accounts, regardless if you are in a relationship or not. Again, making a LLC in the US has been simpler than it has been in the past 6-7 years. If you start a business with very little equity or cash, of course you will go down. Don't put all your chips in one place; those who put everything in their business and lost it all, can only blame themselves. You've got to be stupid to put everything into your newly started business, you set money and equity aside. How the hell are IRAs, 401ks, HSAs and offshore accounts tax avoidance/illegal in the USA? Lmao. Majority of these accounts are tax free... Of course I read the fine print and have a fee-only CFP to help me when needed. I have never had any problems, never had any issues with the irs or the govt. ...Sure you can say these are 'temporary shelters', you do realize that there will always be thousands of other etfs, 401k accounts, to transfer my money into, whenever I feel like it, incase I ever have a reason of doubt that next years ROI isn't looking to great. Well generally, relationships tend to lead to bigger things, i think it's called marriage, common-law partners, etc. These big powerful people called governments have what's called "Regulations" on how assets are split in the terms of divorce (which basically means broken up). Usually this ends up with half the assets (I think that means 50%, could be wrong) split among the partners upon such divorce. And you can argue prenups, but anything brought in during the marriage is still split, leaving you with alot of WASTED years. Not to mention that not everyone has such an open mind when prenups are brought into the picture. Again, just because you can make an LLC in the USA doesn't mean you will instantly have a SUCCESSFUL business. Simple change can cause businesses that once thrived to fail, look at video rental places. The internet and streaming services such as Netflix has RUINED many thriving highly profitable businesses, and caused them to go bankrupt. This can happen in ANY business. Trust me, you don't have the solution to money problems, because you think the world is full of pixie dust and unicorns, and that money just pops out of nowhere for anybody who wants it. And I never said all these are illegal in the USA, I'm saying things similar to this are illegal, or temporary shelters. And if you think you can just go from one shelter to the next shelter and infinitely avoid taxes, especially in the USA, you should really take some courses in financial law, because that is such a better alternative to prison sentences I hear. Though usually you get caught early enough to "only" have to pay substantial fines instead of prison time, but some people just don't learn after that. Take offshore banking for instance: Sure, you can put all your money in offshore banking as a tax haven, but only if you're not subjected to tax on your worldwide income in the country you live in. Since your income is made in your country of residence, you do not save a single bit of tax on your income, regardless where you stash it. The ONLY advantage is that you can avoid tax on your interest earned from that bank, and again, only if you are in a special group of people who aren't taxed on worldwide income (Hint: Virtually every country's policy on this is that a vast majority of your total income has to be from foreign sources). So if you make your income in the USA, there is no tax advantage to using an offshore bank account, unless you fail to report said income (like the interest income earned), which is called tax avoidance / fraud, and is highly illegal.

Relationships ARE a waste of time for some people. Some people prefer not to be in them, as hard as it might be to believe for someone so narrow minded. Also, I never knew it was so easy to just become partner of a business and start your own business, I don't understand why everyone in the world hasn't done this with it being so damn easy. Oh wait, because it's not. Also, take it from me, you do NOT want to own your own business. You lose the benefits, you can't come home and relax because your business is always on your mind, you constantly have to make sure your business isn't doomed to fail with the incredible amount of changes you are forced to adapt to in order to keep afloat. I find it much better to go to work, come home, and erase work from your mind so you can relax after work. Also, higher pay doesn't necessarily mean you have more money. Higher tax brackets can really dwindle all that extra pay down, leaving you with 100x more responsibility, for 5% more pay. It's not always worth it. Its a waste of time for those people who are socially awkward, in a mess themselves, or those from a bad background. Its simple to be a partner of a business, obviously those who aren't either went into the corporate way, decided to make their own business, or had no partners or a good network to begin with, or simply unemployed. Starting your own business these days is more easier and less risk associated than it was before 2008. LLCs are more common these days, and I have friends who can take as many days as they want off from their work because of the amount of money they have been bringing in with their business, primarily because most of it is online based. So don't bring up the whole 'I'd rather go to a 9-5/40 hour work week and come home and erase work from my mind so i can relax after work". I'll assume you haven't heard of off shore accounts, IRAs, HSAs, ETFs, or index funds. Having the higher pay allows you to have more money. Of course its worth it, you are not financially smart or good at all with your personal finances. Or a waste of time for those who have been in multiple relationships that have ended badly. Why would my brother, for instance, want to go into another relationship to be used and taken to the cleaners after breaking it off with sleazy lawyers? He already can't make enough of a living to support himself because the courts determined that SHE gets everything. Again, don't be so ridiculously narrow minded. Making your own business in this economy is a huge risk, and can leave you bankrupt faster than you thought possible. You do realize the MAJORITY of businesses fail right? You don't just magically snap your fingers and have a successful business. If you really think it's that easy, be prepared for a rough financial ride in life. If it really was this easy, you wouldn't have horrible unemployment rates in some of the most developed countries in the world. I own a successful business already, and wish I went another route, so yes, I WOULD have rather come home and erase work from my mind, but it's too late for that. I'll assume you don't realize that alot of these tax avoidance methods are in fact, tax avoidance, which is highly illegal in most countries. There's alot of fine print in most country's legal systems that actually prevent you from using it. Governments want your money, they don't just let you stop paying them so easily. You may think because you haven't experience repercussions from using these, that it's 100% legal and you'll never have problems. Even Canadian TFSA (Tax free savings accounts) have strict rules and fees that make up from that "saving" that you have. These are temporary shelters at the most, and you will make up for them with hidden fees and interest long term.

LOL @ relationships are a huge waste of your time. This page and the previous page is full of laughter. "Working a 9 to 5 is at least...", this is why you start your own business or become a partner of a business instead being in the bottom of the corporate ladder (if you work in a corporate world job). Now, If you're working for a job that is paying you around minimum wage, well, you're screwed. Relationships ARE a waste of time for some people. Some people prefer not to be in them, as hard as it might be to believe for someone so narrow minded. Also, I never knew it was so easy to just become partner of a business and start your own business, I don't understand why everyone in the world hasn't done this with it being so damn easy. Oh wait, because it's not. Take it from me, you do NOT always want to own your own business. You lose the benefits, you can't come home and relax because your business is always on your mind, you constantly have to make sure your business isn't doomed to fail with the incredible amount of changes you are forced to adapt to in order to keep afloat. I find it much better to go to work, come home, and erase work from your mind so you can relax after work. Also, higher pay doesn't necessarily mean you have more money. Higher tax brackets can really dwindle all that extra pay down, leaving you with 100x more responsibility, for 5% more pay. It's not always worth it.