1) Any orientation can be explained as genetics...or as a test from god... It is expained logically and reasonably...God is logically accurate since there must have been something to create the universe and naturally it could not exist within the universe and therefore must be more powerful than the universe...and thus is God, since everything within science is within the universe. It is reasonably explained as the fact that human beings can 'overcome' their genetics, as they have been doing for hundreds of thousands of years...Baden Powel is an example of a gay person actively 'fighting' their genetic predisposition to be gay and live a straight life. Thus logic and reason are not 100% Truth seekers; they are tools, tools dependant on a person's life time experiances. The idea that a Rapists is out to rape as many people as possible is offensive, please don't use it. It is as offensive as the idea that, as a gay person, I am out to have sex with as many men as possible. The cost of not letting rapists live their lives as they chose is their personal suffering. The cost of letting them live their lives is societal suffering. There is no difference between that and homosexuality.(In this respect) Or is it riots and then 200 years of hardship and even then the threat of being assassinated(As in the US President's case) is still excessive. That isn't progress...That is anti-progress, it is progress masquerading in the clothes of Progress. 2) Ahhh the insanity! You should watch 'Its a Good Life', an episode of the Twilight Zone. Everyone has to think happy thoughts or they are killed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMKniBHPU9c A. Rapists have the human right to be free, yet imprisoning them takes away that right... Rights have to be taken away occationally. B. I would rather people spit in my face that have people shake my hand wishing they could kill me. c. Watch 'Its Still a Good Life' another episode of the Twilight Zone. Or better yet...From now on say you think Rape is a good idea, do that for two years and see if, after 2 years, you think that rape is a good idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOFKdWk8Ink 3) No. I am suggesting that a world society should change and then it is implemented... You don't build a house on a swamp and then try to drain it. You Drain the swamp then build a house on the land that has been reclaimed. Why would you have to shoot yourself? Surely that indicates a fairly massive problem with your morality...that the only way to make the world better is to get rid of yourself. YES! "IF PEOPLE DID NOT SACRFICE SOME OF THEIR FREEDOM" You can't sacrifice someone else's freedom, you have to sacrifice your own freedom! Giving up power to the Government is done with the strictist intent that you will be represented...not that you will have stuff forced on you and you have to live with it. 4) I can take it in greater certainity that while gayness is something which you either accept or you deny there will be no progress. Homosexuality is not talked about. People do not ask questions and if they do they are often left with the stupid answers that don't help....People want to understand but they are never given the chance...Now you want to take away one of the remaining forums of discussion where people can talk about homosexuality as a concept, rather than a self-evident truth. 5&6) Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. Obviously by that token, not allowing it...Forcing the reality that 'Gay people will NEVER marry'....Will also work. Except that it hasn't worked. Homosexuality has been perscuted for thousands of years, it has not died out. Forcing the reality that 'Homosexuality does not exist' has not lead to the destruction of homosexuality. I fail to see how the application of this idea will work when you reverse the sitatuation. Anti-homosexuality will not die out, it will merely become repressed because we will be the intolerant ones...not them. 7) Its not really important to this discussion. Lets just drop it. 8) Neither does the minority. It must accept that its actions have consquences and that these consquences prevent them from doing something. Sorry, but are you American? You are saying that America should become gay friendly so it can tell other countries that they are evil? That is an offensive idea...The idea that, not only must we stamp out anti-homosexuals in this country we must stamp out ALL anti-homosexuals in all countries! We must purge the planet of anti-homosexuals! All people must believe what we claim to believe! I may sound sarcastic but this is really really really annoying me. So please can we not mention the world wide purge of freedom? 9) Yes...You do. You cannot do an action which you do not believe to be right. It is not physically possible. For example I have a choice between raping someone and being shot. Therefore it is right that I rape someone because the alternative is my death. (I don't actually believe that but most people seem to) Give me any example and I can tell you why the person who did something thought it was right. 10) I agree. However that underlines a symptom, not an cause. Lack of understanding has constantly been applied...(Actually I am British) Take the phrase "We hold these truths to be self evident"...Right from the start there is no discussion, no reasoning or logic behind it...There is just an opinion held to be fact. We need to stop forcing reality and start educating people in why we understand one thing to be true and why others understand something else to be true. 11) Great...now there will be a blank in the numbering =P 12) The Right to Hold Marriage a Sacred Bond between Man and Woman. Yes marriage is degraded, but you don't dump stuff in a lake because it is already polluted. The Right to Be Represented. Democracies hold...or assumedly hold... this right to be in the highest regard. "Taxation without Representation" and all that jazz. The reason that George Washington fought the British(or is said to be the reason why he fought the British) was that Britian enforced it's will on a nation which did not have a place in the representative system. The Right to Free Speech. If I was straight...even as a gay person...I want the right to say 'I think gay marriage is wrong' not have A reality forced upon me. The Right to Practice Religion In a Way of Your Choosing. Why should the Church have its terms(I am also an Atheist and a Communist for anyone wondering) dictated to it by the State? Which, if I am honest goes either way.... Yes it does. 1 persons right to live...IE the right to believe that they believe, to practice what they believe and to say what they believe, without fear of destruction and vilification by society...should be taken into consideration when deciding if it is right to take that right away from several others. 14) "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied – chains us all, irrevocably." Because people forge new links to bind the old links... "Your not allowed to do this" "Well your not allowed to to this." "Fine, then you are not allowed..." Ect... Also known as The old 'If you are falling off a cliff then why not try flapping' excuse... 15) To summerise. Rather than create a false world, live in the real world. Fight in the real world by talking to people and dispeling the falsehoods they hold...Don't abuse a system that doesn't work, try to make it work. Yes the path is long and dangerous, but it is the one that provides long term results because you only need to educate 1 people to educate their children, and their children's children and their children's children's children.