From my own experiences with cheating, i can tell you that a lot of people WERE just doing it for FUN, not to ruin the game. Note the WERE. As soon as the more advanced programs were released, and RS money was starting to get big bussiness on ebay and stuff. In the old days it was just to be smarter then jagex, i still remember the very first time there was an java based macro program, which was a very big step forward for the community. Unfortunately the cheating community is now decentralized and has turned in to a big bunch of haters who want to ruin the game. The community of the cheaters used to be very close with each other, with lots of people helping each other. Actually, i know some people even made a little competition who could write the best "macro" to help noobs. Please do not understand me wrong... I am talking about the OLD community, before runescape got mainstream (RS2, Miniclip and stuff like that). And for those of you that have not heard it: the main developer of one of the programs that was used widely has quit the scene, because of the bad image and the lack of friendlyness. And in case some of you think all cheaters are lame nerds with nothing to do, i know two of the most respected programmers in the community (both quit anyway aroudn the same time i did). One works as a very good doctor in a certain hospital, the others now works for the US governement programming software to find dangerous objects (landmines etc). ~Nlboy And jsut a little message: saev/chris msg me if you read this