the problem is adults expectations are being met ie. they see some rubbish on telly or so and then they see it in reality. i think actually that in the last, say, 5 years or so, kids have got worse and worse. i remember when i was 13, heck i had a star trek marzipan cake :) that rocked. now, there are kids out there who are either druggies, alcoholics, parents or whatever, by this age. not to say this is only a recent thing, but its just more pronounced, obvious and rampant. lower teens have no respect and i dare any pyschologist to say something along the lines of teeange angst and self actualisation etc (not maslow) theo - i will kick teen wagon, i know taekwondo and REXkwondo. watch out.