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This has been suggested already and this is what I mainly support.

Certain members think that they are the only ones supporting this game and therefore deserve all the updates. They don't like it when f2p gets updates because they think they're paying for something that isn't specifically for paying customers. So I guess maybe some greed.

I don't know about you. But f2p having such a small bank is a turn off for me getting members. It means that I will end up having to throw out nearly all my members stuff just to have a little room after my membership ends. And then when i start members again I'm gonna have to get all that stuff back. Which is a huge pain in the butt. If f2p had a bigger bank I wouldn't have to deal with this crap as much. :evil: ... The f2p bank increase main purpose is not for storing items when u switch from p2p to f2p. That is one of the way Jagex gets you hooked on members, because when you switch bank, you have ABSOLUTELY no space for any other items. Anyways, even with the 12 new bank spaces you'll have to throw away most of your member items. Anyways you shouldn't be blaming the space. It's YOUR FAULT, not anyone elses, that your bank is crammed full of members stuff that you cannot store anything else. I'm also a member who went from p2p to f2p, because I'm busy when it's not summer break or winter break or spring break, so it's not cost-effective for members. The best thing to do for p2p to f2p is to sell ALL your items before membership expires. Yes happens. It is a very big hassle but it's better than throwing all your stuff away for nothing.

The benefit won't be eliminated... geez, haven't you noticed the bank sizes? P2P Members have like 6 times or 7 times what we F2Ps have! All us F2P's are asking for are just the needed(/requested/wanted) 12 spaces to finish touching up our banks properly, and no more. If people want bank space for non-essentials beyond this, then they probably want all the other stuff that you would get as a member too, including the 6 or 7 times the bankspace of an F2P'er... so there is still a reason remaining to get members with the bank situation. It doesn't eliminate any benefit, period. =; ~Mr. D. V. Devnull There are always more factors to consider. Let's say members do have 6 or 7 times bank space of a f2p. But you have to know that there are maybe 12-14 times MORE members items compared to f2p bank space. With the new f2p update maybe that would eliminate the need for the members' benefit of bank space. F2p would have enough bank space to store "essentials"(not including future holiday and random events). And if f2p still needs space (excluding for the new holiday/randoms) then I say organize your bank like everybody else. Just pointing out that after this, there's enough bankspace for f2p to make more members' bank space less needed for just the f2p items.

Typical, Arragant, members player. I beleive f2p should have SOME mage armor. I attempted f2p pking as a mage and it was quite hard ebcause I would always get basehed around. I'd feel better with that extra protection on my bones Blue mystic should be droped down to f2p First of all ixlmwlxl, as some people have stated, not everyone is as fortunate as you so shut your mouth until you can see both sides. As for Made0f12une, please don't steriotype people. Like, stupid f2p they don't contribute, or as said above, typical, arogant, members. Often this leads to flaming instead of solving the problem. Yeah we do do something with bear fur. We sell it to the fur trader in varrock. Best idea. I like this. The additional magic bonuses from the robe bottom might allow you to put on some rune armour without that much penaties. So you have somewhat decent defense but a bit lower mage bonus. Better than making new armour for f2p which wastes jagex time, (determining bonuses, drops from which monsters, etc.) I disagree with the red part though. Introducing runes that require pure ess to craft into f2p can affect the pure ess prices as non-members cannot mine pure ess. If you want to turn chaos crafting into reg ess, then chao rune prices would fluctuate.

Simple. If after getting enough to handle the essentials of being an F2P'er, a user found this was not enough, they would then also likely be in want of the many things there are to being members, so they could get all those neat items, but also have space up their you-know-what for all those items they really think they have to be annoying and pack in. Hopefully, I have not been too long-winded and have made some sense here. Again, simply, if 12 more spaces ain't enough because you're trying to pack something ya don't need, you're probably gonna want the rest too out of some kind of insane greed that will make you hand over your $$$ to Jagex. ~Mr. D. V. Devnull Oh I get it. After f2p has enough bankspace for all f2p items, he'll want to get members to get more stuff... Still doesn't make sense. How does eliminating a benefit of members make more people want to get members?

Just pointing out but this makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. After getting 2 more lines of bank space why would f2p want to join members. Tell me why please?

You mean silver and gold. Mainly like pokemon because of it's long play time. Different starting pokemon and to get all of em lol. Except mew, that's impossible up to gold+silver without gameshark. Don't know why they count it if you can't get without gameshark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_per_click Its 5$ to play runescape, that equals to about 16cents a day in a 31 day month. If each advert click is worth the maximum, which is 0.5cents then that means each f2p user has to click 32 adverts a day to contribute as much as a p2p player. How many f2pers seriously even click one advert a day? I doubt that many. Jagex made p2p because it made financial sense as the game grew larger and they needed to support more servers. They let people play a limited game for free in the hopes to get them hooked so that they buy p2p, there isn't really another reason for it. Back to my original point, if f2p want more bank space for example they should have to pay for it, a lot are complaining they don't want to pay $5 because it gives them a lot of updates they don't want, so how about paying $2 a month to get the same bank space as a member? You aren't supposed to be alloweed to play runescape until you are 13+. over here from the age of 13 years you can get a paper round to earn that money. minimum prices per click start at US$0.01 (up to US$0.50) I don't know where you got the 0.5 cent part. But $ doesn't = cents If you would like to confirm, please go to paragraph 3, sentence 3. So 5 cents would be on the low side. Jagex stated that 5 million people play on their website. Somewhere in June or July they stated they had a specific amount of members (I forgot number but i'm 100% sure it's less than 1 million.) So let's average it out to a million. F2p outnumber p2p by 4x. If every f2p clicks one, they pay more than members. But how do we know some people don't click? We don't. Sometimes people click on it just for fun, like those whacking games. That why Jagex has to change their method. A better method is to make a player watch an ad everyday, that way Jagex definitely gets the money. No point charging monthly because jagex has massive numbers. Also look on the link by frizoid. Many sites charge per click. What's the point of putting an ad up if everyone ignores it? And if they do charge monthly, they can just charge what f2p server and stuff costs so at least they don't lose more money on it.

Lol weird huh. Kinda went like this. Bankspace->f2p not contributing like p2p->how f2p contributes more finacially than p2p->how much ads cost->are rs ads based on monthly fee or per click

Pft, read the math at the beginning. F2p CLEARLY give WAYYY more than p2p. So p2p shouldn't be deserving updates, only f2p. \ Kind weird why jagex just doesn't make the whole game f2p and force you to watch 4 ads a day you play or something... If you don't believe that a lot of money can be made from ads... Look at google will you? PROOVE that the maths posted was correct, how do you know that jagex isn't paid a monthly amount for the adverts? There is no way that f2p give more than p2p, or jagex would have abolished p2p as it would make financial sense. First thing's first. How is the math correct? To be honest I do not know, but I'm using 5 cents as a base because that's about how much many companies get paid per click. But you are right on one part, math is wrong. Instead of 2 million people can someone change it to 5 million. Thank you. "Advertising on RuneScape Gain our audience's attention. Jagex has a large audience of over 5 million unique users who play our games every month."(This has been taken from the jagex advertising section) How do I know it's based on click? I'm basing it on theories, as some of mathematics and science are, because I'm too lazy too look it up. Let's look at the sheer number of the people playing runescape. 5 million people... Now you think it would be wise to ask for a monthly pay? Unless the pay is higher than each person clicking the ads several times I'd say no. Why doesn't Jagex abolish p2p and make way for f2p? There are some positive and negative factors. Positive(p2p): smaller, more predictable, range of net income less bots, (some people don't want to give away money to raise bots to make money) organized fourms, no masses of spammers, if they spam you can just ban them Negative(p2p-f2p): varying range of net income(you put a LOT of faith into your customers to click the ads) mass auto-bots mass complaints from p2p saying they "paid" all the way up till now when it's free for everyone, they might quit fourm is full of spammers, almost impossible to find a post from 5 million players (You think of some others to put here. Too lazy to think anymore.) I'm too lazy to check advert prices, if you want to confirm it, click this link or copy and paste onto browser. http://www.jagex.com/corporate/index.ws

Pft, read the math at the beginning. F2p CLEARLY give WAYYY more than p2p. So p2p shouldn't be deserving updates, only f2p. \ Kind weird why jagex just doesn't make the whole game f2p and force you to watch 4 ads a day you play or something... If you don't believe that a lot of money can be made from ads... Look at google will you?

Well jagex would cut ur membership when they come back and deplayer mod you. Then they'd probably restore other players stats and ban ur ip \ . After all you only got one month.

Lol, are you talking about player mods or jagex mods. For one thing how can you tell someone is autoing? That's why jagex has a hard time with them.

Haha this is funny. Possible but you'd probably just plow jagex to the ground... Anyways, yes it's hard to get rid of autoes, so what you say is much easier than doing it. If I controlled jagex before the membership thing started then I'd know exactly what to do. I'd introduce membership to EVERYONE. But I'd make them click 4-5 cent ads every day they play. So instead of making 17 cents a day from playing members. I make 20 cents a day from everybody. I'm so smart \ . If that happened Jagex would have probably more than 5x the profit. (Even though the current is 2x playing f2p to p2ps, many f2ps quit after they don't get to do anything new. So of course there would be more ppl playing because of the continous updates for everyone.) Then I'd ask for a cut or sue them till they shut down. Hope you understood it all cause i'm dizzy reading it. If they don't click, then I'll seperate f2p from p2p like today, or ban em.

Yeah I agree. And that they're being cheap.

I interpret as this. Jagex: Jagex offers a reward to a person who finds out how the dupe works. A player spies on one of the people that know how to dupe and obtains the information and rats them out. Jagex said good job, but since you know, you must have duped, so we'll ban you in case. IRL: Police post a great offer. A detective spies on some murders, he find out information and rats them out. The police think that it's impossible to find out, without being one of the group of murderers, arrests and kills him. People do these things, just in case, even if it hurts innocence. Jagex sees this as losing money, so instead of actually investigating and monitoring the person, they say screw it, we'll save money if we ban him. But hey it's open to interpretation.

bump can anyone answer?

Now to repeat this whole thread in one sentence. PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD WANT BANK SPACE FOR RANDOM EVENTS. I think f2p and p2p should just get unlimited space for random events though. :twisted: Once again I think it's funny that people keep saying get members. \ Look at my math, you can see the adverts f2p click give more money than members pay a month, so technically YOU MEMBERS don't deserve it. (shouldn't be talking cause i'm a member...) -.- So this is progressing to space on everything. :-k F2p already has enough space for everything EXCEPT random events and untradable holiday items. So if that's what your arguing I say forget it and clean your bank, p2p players like me have to do it too.

Yes I know, but you don't have to do 100 arena kills or any requirements before you do charge?

I heard about god spells and in this one barrows video, i saw the creator talking about some stuff you have to do to obtain charge(not the 100 casts in arena for god spell). What is this person talking about?

Time is a problem... Let's say it takes 2 min a game, and he get 20 spells extra a game. That's only 600 spells in an hr, which u can just make from skilling or something. Good if ur bored though lol.

...??? Well I think that she thought you were sending it to a person instead of a company. Jagex shouldn't matter if it's in any kind of currency. They'll just go to their local bank and convert it to pounds. BTW, Jagex is located in the U.K. Just ask for w/e amount money order in australian currency and sent it to jagex. They'll know what to do, and if your not sure, attach a note to jagex telling them to send back if it's incorrect.

Try this on for size :P . Just 10 cents per person is... wow. $900,000 per day. About 27 million a month. \ Who the one who doesn't deserve it now hehe? Member don't even match what f2p would give to jagex by clicking one ad a day. But this doesn't mean all the players play though. So let's cut this figure down to a two million. F2p is more than members so I'm just guessing. Just one ad a day. 2 mil x 10 cents=200 thousand a day about 6 million in a 30 day month. So 6 million can't cover server costs and give f2p something nice once every year or so. To me this could be the beginning of mass complaints, or the beginning of the worth and respect we should give to f2p players(not including those noobs that always beg for something). I'm a p2p myself, and I do believe in pay it to get it, but once in a looooooooooong while, I think f2p deserve something. I support, but more on the unlimited "untradables" space section, than more f2p bank space overall.

If that is the case, does it mean this box of information... Guess it has to be... Anyways hope you're doing money order, better than just sending cash.