Lider_V

I believe only relative positions, but I really don't know. What I'll be doing is only relative positions (mousekeys assigned to mouse buttons), which is good enough for me^^

[hide] The question has been answered. If the player in the video wasn't lying when he explained how he did it (I choose to believe him, it's your choice whether you do or not), then he is not cheating. However, I don't recommend buying the mouse however, it's likely we may see the mechanics of herb cleaning and bolt fletching changed. Or possibly a revamp of a rule long needing a rewrite... [/hide] Finally an answer^^ I'm happy with my new mouse since it is really good and has the ability to let me be more efficient in runescape (and other places too) :) All ends well :D

EVERYTHING DONE WITH THIS MOUSE IS DONE IN SOFTWARE, NOT IN HARDWARE. When you change the mouse, you don't flip DIP switches or solder on a new capacitor. Would you consider my G9 to not be a macro then, since I have to physically flip over my mouse and click down a button before it starts a smooth scroll? Just seems cumbersome and risky to use the mouse in this way, imo. I'd much rather turn on mousekeys and smack that numbpad 5 with my index and middle finger any day. This way you're garenteed that every click required some physical imput. To be honest, I see using the smooth scrolling wheel as cheating. Since really, you just moved your index once to get thousands of mouse clicks. Maybe if you kept it as a clicky wheel, and kept moving your finger over it, but definitely not as a smooth wheel. I didn't say it wasn't a macro. It would not, most definitely, be a software macro, but it could be considered as hardware macro. But even so, with the G500 I can't assign keys to the scroll up/down, so that removes that problem. So, as long as you don't assign more than 1 key to each mouse button, you'll be fine. In my opinion that is^^

For the same reason that you say it isn't a macro, I say it is. You say that a macro is remapping keys? lol... EDIT: Quoted from a website "Macro: A series of commands, keyboard or mouse actions that are recorded and performed automatically when a certain key is pressed or a certain command is entered." That's right, even though its one-to-one, it's still a macro. Also, the fact that you've admitted that you're able to "auto-click" and scroll indefinitely makes me highly suspicious of this mouse. EVERYTHING DONE WITH THIS MOUSE IS DONE IN SOFTWARE, NOT IN HARDWARE. When you change the mouse, you don't flip DIP switches or solder on a new capacitor. 1st- There's an option to auto click but it doesn't mean we are using it, and regarding the scroll indefinitely it has no effect in RuneScape since the drivers don't allow you to remap the scroll up and down. 2nd- So what if what this mouse does is software? MouseKeys is also software and they're allowed... Simply remapping the keys should not be bannable. End of story

That would be a macro in fact. However, if one were able to assign the scroll wheel the function to click, by using the G500, it would not be a software macro and you'd be doing LOADS of clicks per second. That's because the mouse has a special function to allow it to spin a LOT with just one spin of the wheel, if you get what I mean. Technically it would be like a hardware macro, but I'm not sure how jagex would detect that, since it's not software.

For the same reason that you say it isn't a macro, I say it is. You say that a macro is remapping keys? lol... EDIT: Quoted from a website "Macro: A series of commands, keyboard or mouse actions that are recorded and performed automatically when a certain key is pressed or a certain command is entered."

That way mousekeys would be illegal... What one is basically doing is REMAPPING mousekeys to a mouse lol... ironical EDIT: And btw, I think what that rule is trying to transmit is that it's not allowed to have software that generates input alone, but if there's human action it's ok. HOWEVER, I'm not saying, oh lets make something where I click one button and it does a [cabbage]-load of actions. No, if you keep it to one input one output it should be ok..

I've been following this thread from the very start and I think I'd share my opinion and knowledge (since I went and bought the mouse a couple of days after seeing the video). Any programmable mouse can be very useful to runescapers, though some can be better than others, due to the amount of keys on the side next to each other. The G500, with 3 keys on the place where your thumb rests, is perfect for runescape, since you can assign one key to right click, another to the 2 on the numpad (to use with mousekeys) and the last one as a left click. This in runescape can be used for many things. Since I've got it, I've only tried it at monsters which I cannot left click, and it is awesome. One can also use the same thing to withdraw items from the bank and so on. To the people complaining this is a macro, it isn't.. What one does is basically remap the keys to the mouse, which everyone can do, even if not on the mouse, they can do it on the keyboard. Another point I want to bring up to the people saying that we leave the mouse pressed and it keeps on clicking for us. With the G500, that is possible, and that would be a macro. However, the G500 allows your mouse wheel to spin like forever, with just a spin, if your turn off the "breaks". Though, I haven't yet found an option to remap the scroll up and down on the drivers, but I reckon it might be doable somehow (this would be 1 input 1 output, since every time the wheel spins a little bit the mouse produces an input). So my final statement, 1 input 1 output... No cheating^^

I can't find the ice monsters and I have both a fire cape and they're assigned to me. Can anyone help me out?

I'd also like to know how they do it.

Yep... Seriously, why don't you guys use adblock. It solves so many annoyances. <3 Firefox

Didn't know this. Thanks for the info \

No roll-back. QFC: 15-16-403-58451218

There be MSW's King :thumbsup: I'm glad JaGex are showing an interesting in interacting with the community. This surely is a good way to start \

Most of the times I don't spot steal. However, in some of those days, when I'm not feeling that good, I tend do do it. I don't know why... I just do it. :ohnoes:

That's an awsome idea. I'd love to see them implementing it : NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!! Grapples were the worst idea Jagex could of come up with. Please, add a small agility jump or a bridge that needs agility. Anything other than wasting inventory space for a shortcut. I never use grapples because they are so inconvenient vs. their usefulness. Yes, I believe that it would be better. But the main idea is getting an agility shortcut there, which would be :thumbup:!

That's an awsome idea. I'd love to see them implementing it :

ROFL! That made me laugh so hard :lol:

I haven't noticed anything, but if I get caught in a loop of tasks I hope it isn't something annoying :ohnoes:

Dang! I'm loving reading this thread : Keep those theories comming :thumbsup:

Oh thanks! I haven't collected it yet. I will when I get around to getting 65 Runecrafting. Dang I hate that skill :wall: Lider V

Well I'm just gonna ask this straight-forward. Does anyone have the cutscene in which the dragonkin show up recorded? When I did the quest I did not see the cutscene. I believe it was due to my prayer points depleting that canceled the cutscene. No idea why else it wouldn't start/stop right after it started. I'd greatly apreciate if someone would upload it on youtube. Lider V

They really don't :-# I believe they do :roll:

What do you guys think about this sittuation? I don't have mouse keys because I use a modded version of Windows Vista which as had it removed. Would it be against the rules to use a software which does the same thing as mouse keys, although it does allow me to choose which key does what, which I think mouse key does not allow. OT: I believe that mouse keys ins't against the rules, but we never know :| I'm kinda afraid of using it and then ending up banned. :ohnoes: EDIT: I just remembered something. A player ranked on the top 100 told me that mousekeys where perfectly legal, and that he used them for many things, such as droping ores when powermining or selecting bones when training prayer at a gilded altar. There's also a thread on RSOF telling you how to apply mousekeys to certain skills. Of course this does not prove they're legal.

I'd like to see something as useful as recipe for disaster's rewards. Something that we'll use everyday, as oposed to dropping/banking, never to look at it ever again. I'm also hoping I'll have a good time doing the quest. :D