mugged99

this topic has been discussed for years... fact is no regular knows how it works, of course there are general facts like the two wheel thing, but no one could tell you how it works for individual monsters like the black dragon.. anyways..seems to work a little for me..

I completely agree, the hunter crossbow is extremely good; the thing about that though is that the ammo for is not readily available and getting the ammo, the long kebbit [bleep]e anyways isn't very fast. But I agree i like the hunter xbow too, too bad about the ammo -.-. btw the long kebbit bolt is most like the equivalent between addy and rune arrows. Ive tested them before Ok posted in a second hidden message within the gear hidden message. its not really a guide \

ill keep it in mind, but i know for a fact regular cbow and bronze bolts is going to stink so bad lol \ only thing that has a chance is bronze arrows and i gained 93 range, so, ill keep that in mind thnx. :thumbsup:

there is no way that is accuracte at lvl 82 range with normal mith bolts, I started hitting 23's at with mith at lvl 91 or 92 range, i cant remember. but still your information is inaccurate, plz re check it, make sure you're not potting or praying and also tell us what style you're using.

Right like i said you didnt read correctly, notice i said i played 2 games, thats 1485 xp in game counting both games hitting an average of 345.5 in game in both games and getting 8 points for those 2 games. :

yes i know, but i also factored in the points that you get from winning a game. Obviously you didn't read thoroughly or simply didnt understand. #-o

I noticed a problem with the "lamp -genie-" item, the old picture was dark colored most likely taken with low screen brightness in game, which is inconsistent with other items. Old picture: my picture: needs to be cropped and background deleted, but i dont have time for that atm.

Username: Mugged99 Ranged Level: 93 Attack Style: rapid Item Used: adamant darts Max hit: 12

the thing is, even the bone xbow with bone bolts is faster and stronger than rune c bow and irons, give it a try.. the number..are 'hidden' you need to click the title of the ...bar, hard to explain... like where it says "bronze knifes!" click that..

BUMP misplacedme, howcome you dont want the max hit for knifes? i dont think there is a calc for them atm.

well at ur range lvl, and the fact that blue dragons have a nice def id use bone xbow...cuz of the extra accuracy once ur lvl 90 i dont think it matters and u can go bronze knifes easily but then again its hard to say, test it out urself. \

muggiwhplar suggested rock crabs.. the reason i switch from rock crabs to ogres is because i could get constant hits at cages ogres but with rock crabs it gets annoying to walk over to them and wait for them to hit you. not sure what the xp difference is...or even what you mean by that..since it all depends on your range lvl, your ammo, your gear, etc.

Tests and rates UPDATED!

yes ty yugun, I already know that you get 2 xp per damage in pest control as well as .66666 xp in hp too... I did factor those into my calculations :

thnx Lunar_Drifter! my test was without picking up bolts at all, just firing as fast as possible.. oh can you edit in your range level?

thats impossible to say! since it matters where you train, what you train with, what you're wearing while training (accumulator), if you're picking up ammo and things like that... well, i havent tested bronze bolts or bronze arrows, but i know for sure bone bolts hit higher, and that the bone crossbow has a special.. it might be better overall ..compared to other cheap bolts \

Rough Pest control statistics added!

sorry wont get to it today...english paper

alright I performed the test you suggested with bronze knives and bone bolts + bone cbow, and i update the my first post with the results I used no accumulator and just shot 100 of the ammo...since like you said no one really knows how the accumulator works.. :

I will start testing with bronze knives at rock crabs ~ thnx muggi, any help appreciated -> im doing bronze knives

Introduction: Due to the infinite amounts of supplies now in runescape shops, old weak ammo can now be used to train range. My RSN is 'Mugged99' and I'd like to show you some numbers: [hide=Introduction] List of Ammo tested: Bronze Knifes Bronze Arrows + Magic Short Bow Bone Bolts + Dorgeshuun x'bow Bronze Bolts + Runite x'bow ~Only the bronze ammo is cheap in the shops and the most likely candidate for power-leveling range. Other Prices: Iron Knives - 58 ea Iron Arrows - 20 ea Broad Arrows - 90 ea[/hide] [hide=Gear, Statistics, THE TEST] Statistics: Range Level: 92 (all tests) Style: Rapid (all tests, duh) Special: If weapon had special, I used it whenever bar filled Gear: [hide=list of equipment] archer helm glory amulet black dragonhide top black dragonhide bottom ranger boots "barrows" gloves from rfd quest archer ring zammy book weapon: depended on test, ammo: depended on test cape: no cape for tests[/hide](Please note: The weapons and ammo i used changes so i didnt list those. And obviously you cant wield unholy book whilst using a bow. THE TEST: I tested all the ammo at King Lathas's Training Grounds killing caged ogres (lvl 63). I power leveled all the ammo tests, meaning I crazy ranged the ogres, not picking up ammo, not picking up drops, not watching TV, just hit after hit, ogre and ogre, non stop. No ava's accumulator was used because it is not known how the accumulator actually works with different range levels. Other details in individual results. [/hide] [hide=Bronze Knifes!] Range Bonus: +99 Max hit: 10 Bronze Knifes: 14 gp ea (rogue's den, burthope pub underground) Test: I shot 1000 bronze knifes non-stop at ogres, it took me 21:33.92 minutes to shoot all 1000 bronze knifes. Results: Estimated range exp/hour rate: 46,953 Estimated hp exp/hour: 15,574 Estimated gp lost/hour: 38,951 Comments: This is the fastest way using a non-pest control method that i tested. The knives very fast. Naturally if you're wealthy enough, higher level knives will produce an even better range xp/hour[/hide] [hide=Bronze Arrows + Magic Short Bow!] Range Bonus: +156 Max hit: 11 Bronze Arrows: 7 gp ea (arrows shops like varrock, or rimmington) Test: I shot 500 bronze arrows non-stop at ogres, it took me 15:28.35 minutes to shoot all 500 bronze arrows. Results: Estimated range exp/hour rate: 37,289 Estimated hp exp/hour: 12,374 Estimated gp lost/hour: 13,572 Comments: This method is definitely not the fastest and is not recommended. They magic short bow has a special though. [/hide] [hide=Bone CrossBow + Bone Bolts!] Range Bonus: +137 Max hit: 18 Bone Bolts: 4 gp ea (underground lumbridge, in cave goblin shop) Test: I shot 500 bone bolts non-stop at ogres, it took me 21:03.19 minutes to shoot all 500 bone bolts. Results: Estimated range exp/hour rate: 40,753 Estimated hp exp/hour: 13,542 Estimated gp lost/hour: 5,700 Comments: The bone crossbow hits extremely hard, and the bolts cost almost nothing. The bone crossbow has a special. The bone crossbow costs 2k gp and is bought in the lumbridge caves same as the bolts. This might be an alternative to expensive ammo for use in the fight caves whilst going for a fire cape![/hide] [hide=Runite crossbow + Bronze Bolts] Range Bonus: +185 Max hit: 12 Bronze Bolts: 3 gp ea (you can find bronze bolts in the varrock range shop) Test: I shot 100 bronze bolts non-stop at ogres, it took me 5:09.30 minutes to shoot all all bronze bolts. I only shot 100 bolts because it was so slow i decided to quit, and the numbers don't lie. Results: Estimated range exp/hour rate: 26,770 Estimated hp exp/hour: 8,892 Estimated gp lost/hour: 3,491 Comments: Horribly slow, with bad exp rate and no special. Highly not recommended ever for training. [/hide] [hide=PEST CONTROL - rough data] PEST CONTROL!!! (2 GAMES!!! VETERAN) Stats: 92 range (492.8 exp/point), +99 range bonus (using brronze knives) at pest control veteran (lvl 100+) boat Results: (played 2 successful games) 1485 xp in game (thats 345.5 damage average) + 8 points in 4:56 from start of 1st game to end of 2nd game ESTIMATED EXP/HOUR (veteran)65,128 EXP/HOUR(hitting 300+ per game on veteran boat with successful wins) GOLD WASTED: I wasted 490 coins worth of bronze knives, but since im level 108, i gained 1,080 gp, so thats a profit of 590 coins, so avg profit/hour = 7080 gp (depends on ammo, and combat level obviously) I did not do the novice or intermediate boats but i still calculated a number -> INTERMEDIATE (lvl 70-99) assuming you have *75 range* and hit 300 damage per game: EXP/HOUR = 37,209 exp/hour (75 range, 2 successful games, 300+ damage, used pc points on 100 mark for 10% extra xp) NOVICE:Here are the numbers for novice (40-69) assuming you have *60* range and hit 200 damage per game: EXP/HOUR = 19,737 exp/hour (60 range, 2 successful games, 200+ damage, used pc points on 100 mark for 10% extra xp) [/hide] Comments Please! --- Darkbow is known to be equal or much slower training than Magic short bow.

the dorgeshuun crossbow costs 2k, the bone bolts cost 4 each, at infinite amount.. im testing at pest control right now, and my max seems to be 20 (lvl 92 range + eagle eye), I can hit fairly high (16+) most of the time. who knows..this might be an effective ranging method. oh btw, the crossbows just a little bit slower than the MSB, I checked in the knowledge database weapon speeds, MSB hits with 6 bars of speed whilst the xbow hits with 5. anyways at pc i seem to do more overall damage i think...still needs more testing

BUMP ------ Username: Mugged99 Ranged Level: 92 Attack Style: Rapid Item Used: Rune crossbow and mithril bolts Max hit: 23

Starting with the letter L's, starting from the bottom Lyre link: http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/252/lyreau7.gif Lunar torso link: http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4127 ... rsocv5.gif Lunar staff pt3 link: http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/125/ ... pt3aq2.gif Lunar staff pt2 link: http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8444 ... pt2zl4.gif Lunar staff pt1 link: http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4723 ... pt1em1.gif Lunar Staff link: http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4310/lunarstaffda9.gif ------- oh, for some reason in MS paint i have the image size set to 40x40 but once I save from image magic website it goes to 41x41, nevertheless i still posted them, credit: Mugged99 if images are up to your standard : [pokemama edit 7 Oct: sorry, can't use the 41x41 pics, they would be distorted when displayed. Thanks though for wanting to help. To everyone else who submitted, thanks so much for your hard work and your patience! Uploading each pic ended up taking a long time because I started tweaking the other info in each item record, adding links and so on, lol, so I kind of made it hard on myself, heh heh. We have new people focusing on the database now so hopefully your pics will get uploaded soon. Feel free to do more and post them here! :D :D ]

[Master_Smither] tip.it already has a regular arrow max hit calculator, and the type of bow you use doesnt affect your max hit..just your accuracy, thank you though :-w --- Username: Mugged99 Ranged Level: 90 Attack Style: Rapid Item Used: Regular Mithril Bolts Max hit: 22 Ranged Level: 91 Attack Style: Rapid Item Used: Regular Mithril Bolts Max hit: 23 *these are the true max hits, ive used over 10k mithril bolts