Pretty much why I quit playing MMORPG's and shifted towards casual FPS gaming. I was looking for the ultimate pvp servers and medieval-type games similar to Diablo/Diablo2 where the main aspect was battling with other players & forming clans, etc... Up until a few years ago, such games didn't exist. If anything, game companies in the past tried to make games more "friendly" and reduce PvP aspects to boring basics. RuneScape was a very challenging game with it's pk/nonPK mode before they removed that as well / replaced it with wilderness (although I hear that feature made a comeback recently) Try Warhammer Online, if you have the time you'll get osme of the best PVP MMORPGS have atm :D (Sadly, I don't have the time for it, so I wasted 50 euros on a game I won't play anymore :-#) Try out planet of the apes :ohnoes: