Bladewing

telmomarques

let's get rid of doctors, lawyers, and teachers. they don't create any physical object

argh please read. merchants save the time of the suppliers and the consumers of the products they trade. this allows the suppliers and consumers to continue about their daily lives and produce and consume more goods and services. merchants cause an OVERALL increase in productivity, production and consumption in the economy. the service they provide is ease of trading and reduced transaction costs. merchants buy items when there would not otherwise be buyers and sell when there would not otherwise be sellers.

the vending machine operator does the exact same thing as a merchant in runescape if you do it in real life, you consider it a service; but if you do it in runescape it is not a service? :wall:

i don't believe vending machines reduce transaction costs or lead to more efficiency in any meaningful way. all they do is redistribute wealth from the people who make the sodas (from whom the operator of the vending machine buys sodas for cheap) and the people who buy the sodas (to whom the operator of the vending machine sells sodas for a high price) to the operator. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION LOL SO I CAN SAY WHATEVER I WANT AND YOU CAN'T DISPUTE IT LOLOLOL another benefit of merchants to the runescape economy is they keep prices stable during off hours of the day, and reduce the intensity of booms and busts of the market cycle. BUT BECAUSE I HATE MERCHERS (lol) THEY CANT BE GOOD PEOPLE AND THEREFORE CANNOT BE HELPFUL IN ANY WAY

yes it provides a service, it reduces transaction costs i said that in my first post on the matter

kril (zamorak gwd) drops them

less time sitting around not producing (trading) = more time producing who knew it could be so difficult to understand

playing 15 hours a day OP could get 850m in two weeks with ease

dat hunter

maybe he was banned for using scripts? :unsure:

why? when i got 70 defence i had 100m+ you are mixing issues if you have the money, bandos is best. if you don't, get barrows.

one day, when you have hundreds of mils and maxed combats and no buyable skills left, you will realize that paying 4m for +4 str is not a big deal anyway you can resell the armor

doomsayer != doomsday face it you didn't read it and now you look like a fool. stop rationalizing it :thumbup:

always supercompost always payment on trees pineapple+ (the lower ones are optional, imo i'd pay the payments to guarantee getting to higher trees faster)

nice try at discrediting me by saying i approve of bots. here's why fishing would still be comparatively crappy money without the influence of bots: there are two things you can do in runescape - fishing and killing monsters. fishing takes 60 actions per hour, and killing monsters takes 6000. at the start of this exercise, both fishing and monster hunting make 1 million gp per hour. if you were a monster hunter, what incentive would there be for you to kill monsters instead of fishing? you risk more, work harder, and get paid the same. so you switch over to fishing. this increases the supply of fish and the demand for monster drops, and decreases the supply of monster drops and demand for fish. this pushes fishing wages down and monster hunting wages up. at what price the equilibrium will settle is uncertain from the given assumptions, but fishing will always be lower wage than more difficult options. it has bearing (that's how you spell it by the way) on the conversation because purported skillers claim to be helpless to adapt to current markets. bots are here, whether you like it or not, and you must adapt, and no amount of complaining is going to change that the bots are here. i like how you keep trying to twist what i'm saying into "LOL IM BLADEWING I SUPPORT BOTS BOTS R GOOD SKILLERS R DUM" i never said that the devaluation of parts of the game isn't a problem. please stop putting words in my mouth. i am discrediting the notion that one is a fisher for money and cannot help that and is 100% a victim of the bots. i am saying that those are OPINIONS being portrayed by posters as FACT. would you read at least one of my posts instead of copypasting and distorting it? you get that vibe because after every sentence i write you add in your own "and bladewing likes bots". my posts are not about free trade or wilderness, they are about skillers playing the victim and refusing to adapt to today's ruenscape - runescape with free trade and wilderness. i encourage you to reread my posts :???:

to be fair the bean counters could potentially do better than jagex has been

1. i neither said nor implied OP said game is dying 2. i never said anything about doomsday

1600 ea

you don't have to say discuss doomsayers have been saying this since 2004 or earlier, so i'm gonna say no. runescape for me is more fun than ever, and at least 5 people i know irl have started playing again due to the recent updates.

technically merchanting creates wealth by increasing the economy's efficiency by reducing transaction costs, allowing players to spend that time out making more goods but yeah

how is this considered selling out?

In a month sharks just about all the gathered items will be stable.. at incredibly low prices.. making RS very one sided... easier buyable production skils, useless gatherer skills. Unless Jagex can actually do what they promised, take care of the bots.. the game will suffer a lot. low price is their true price. fishing and woodcutting are hardly labor intensive, and hence earn low wages. [/hide] wow.. sorry, but I just have to ask... are you that dense.. or just pretending? We all know, except you it seems, that the only reason prices on the likes of sharks and ess are now plummeting is BOTS, a price caused by cheating can never be the true price. Unless you consider botting a legitimate part of playing Runescape you really should rethink this.. As far as labour intensity.. Jagex has balanced this by several mechanisms, like the time it takes to gain one item and the length of the bank runs. i never said that anything about botting, especially never that i consider it legitimate. i said that the true price is a low price. please read nex time thx. also if you think the labor of fishing is balanced with the labor of killing tormented demons or nex then you my friend are horribly wrong. let's get this straight. you don't have to fish to make money. you can go do other things that don't suck for money. stop acting helpless to justify why you like doing easy things (yes, fishing is easy, it's like 60 actions per hour). yes, they contribute less. fishing contributes less effort than soloing dagannoth kings - not only is it risk free, it takes about one fiftieth the effort. this is runescape, not america - you actually can be anything you want to be. you aren't forced to fish. and being stubborn isn't a good reason either. [/hide] This is RUnescape indeed, a game with 25 skills, all made by Jagex to be part of the game.. YES part of the game, so made to be PLAYED.. If this was not the case Jagex could have just added stores to sell these goods, leaving gathering out altogether. You may consider one skill inferior to an other, but that just shows how limited your way of thinking is. If you were in charge Runescape would basically just be a multiplayer shooter game.. earn money killing , spend it to increase your gear.. There are enough games like this.. I can even go as far as to say the only true runescape players are people who do every part of the game.. since all these parts ARE Runescape. A total player, not just a skiller, just a pker, just a bosshunter.. etc . But I won't , Runescape is also the game of endless opportunities, which means it can and should be enjoyed by everyone in every LEGAL, NON CHEATING way possible. That includes gatherers! obviously they are all meant to be played, which is why i am horribly confused why "skillers" continually complain about how they can't do anything but gathering. by the way i don't see how you think it is more intrinsic to the game or more honorable to gather and then trade for gear than to kill bosses for gear and then grade for materials. let's get this straight. you don't have to fish to make money. you can go do other things that don't suck for money. stop acting helpless to justify why you like doing easy things (yes, fishing is easy, it's like 60 actions per hour). yes, they contribute less. fishing contributes less effort than soloing dagannoth kings - not only is it risk free, it takes about one fiftieth the effort. this is runescape, not america - you actually can be anything you want to be. you aren't forced to fish. and being stubborn isn't a good reason either. This is RUnescape indeed, a game with 25 skills, all made by Jagex to be part of the game.. YES part of the game, so made to be PLAYED.. If this was not the case Jagex could have just added stores to sell these goods, leaving gathering out altogether. You may consider one skill inferior to an other, but that just shows how limited your way of thinking is. If you were in charge Runescape would basically just be a multiplayer shooter game.. earn money killing , spend it to increase your gear.. There are enough games like this.. I can even go as far as to say the only true runescape players are people who do every part of the game.. since all these parts ARE Runescape. A total player, not just a skiller, just a pker, just a bosshunter.. etc . But I won't , Runescape is also the game of endless opportunities, which means it can and should be enjoyed by everyone in every LEGAL, NON CHEATING way possible. That includes gatherers! [/hide] Hear hear. To everyone who quoted me... THIS. I often consider myself a 'skiller' because I often take their stance on many issues and attacks by people who don't like skillers when, in fact, I prefer a much more balanced game. If you looked at my skills you'd see that I spread them out, I do what skill I want to do when I want to do it and that is the way the game should be played. Jagex did, indeed, create 25 skills. Yes, some might be more useful or profitable than others but it is nobody's place to say what skills are better than others, unless it is just their own opinion which, sadly, often doesn't happen. Opinion isn't fact. i never said anything about skills being better than others, please stop putting words in my mouth. here are some facts which you are trying to construe as opinions: fishing is very easy fishing is very easily botted fishing takes little attention fishing has little to no risks killing tormented demons is (comparatively) difficult killing tormented demons is rarely botted killing tormented demons takes a lot of attention killing tormented demons has moderate risks anyone who is fishing can pack up and go to another skillset like combat, slayer or dungeoneering at ANY TIME no one who is fishing is forced to fish to earn money through fishing -- here are some opinions you are construing as facts: - gathering skills should be more profitable - i have to use gathering skills "to live" in runescape (lol) - people who refuse to play certain parts of the game (skillers) should be allowed all the benefits of playing those neglected parts of the game without the effort of actually playing them - jagex ignores skillers - people who kill monsters are stupid (ad hominems don't look well on you)

riddle me this batman: at what price did rocktails no longer become enjoyable? were rocktails enjoyable to fish at 2200 each, but not at 2199? the skills are just as enjoyable (lol just kidding, fishing is not enjoyable) as before, imaskiller123 just feels entitled to making as much money as people who put in 20x more effort than he does. yes bots lower the price. but fishing has always been bad money and would be bad money even in the absence of bots for the exact reason i've posted several times already - it takes virtually no effort. also it is worth noting that all the menial and easy tasks in runescape - the ones that are bad money - are the ones the bots tend to flock to. if you are sick of bots "ruining your profits", maybe you should put in the effort and do something that bots can't do very well, eh?

merchanting is like the ultimate afk money now i made 16m watching tv for two hours however i still prefer boss hunting due to fun + effigies etc.