A quagsire v palkia matchup is a loss for quagsire, though, even in spacial rend can only 3HKO. and i doubt a choice specs kyogre is gonna stay in on gastrodon after it gets caught using spout or thunder, although this instance does let you spread poison, which is useful depending on your team. idk it seems youre relying a lot on the fact that your opponents are unfamiliar dealing with the two, which is probably why im having such a hard time understanding the success, because im so OU-minded, lol. still i guess just watch out when you get to the higher tier players because they are going to know the little tricks these two pokemon have.