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Turkey is part of the Byz empire at this point in the game

Spain for the Spaniards! France for the Frogs! The Pyrenees shall be our border guardians!

You don't want Turkey. It smells.

?! That's my land now :blink: And Doom: Poland, The Byzantines, or England

They did good though, so thankee :) Ferdinand tells the Pope no, that the land will come again under the rule of the Spanish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkL9SB06Tpc *Shrug* That was Retech's creative liberties. It's not really that surprising though, since you took your army meant for the Crusade off to Norway where it got destroyed.

Whenever the Crusade finishes I'll send troops over to help out, though I won't put them under anyone else's leadership.

Can you do the crusade sometime today Retech?

Yep.

The fact that they have horses? Lol.

Irrelevant comparison. We're not talking about a European shield wall against European foot archers.

Btw if you do decide to fight them in a conventional fashion (which you would be slaughtered in), don't use knights. At all. Knight vs Horse archer is such a ludicrously unbalanced fight. The knight would maybe have a chance if you took away most of his bulky armour and mounted him on a courser rather than a destrier. Maybe. Not likely though.

Yes. Retreat, bloody the Mongols, and then take all the land back when the Khan dies and they squabble over leadership. Realistically it's the only way to beat them. Mongols don't have supply lines, they rely on living off the land. Yes because the people who have food are usually the first ones to die of starvation. Obviously. - Your plan and 'tactics' rely on them being idiots. Which they are not. Oh and I'm quite interested to hear what these 'counter measures' to them just walking around your trenches and holes and trap tunnels that would take months to prepare (and subsequently months they'd know about it) would be. This whole idea of having some big blocky slow European western army lurch towards them and the Mongols actually standing and fighting in conventional European fashion against it is laughable. That's because the Magyars are nomads essentially. At least in this time period :P

That's the silliest B grade hollywood movie medieval ambush battle plan I've ever heard. They'd just walk around it. My plan: Withdraw everything valuable to the castles. Burn/destroy food & supplies. Wait for Mongols to siege. Let them starve to death. Attack mongols (use light cavalry - do away with knights, and tower-shield equipped infantry with crossbow support) Simple is better.

Historically no effective counter was found for horse archers. And Rocco, you can have all the pikemen in the world and you'd still lose, the Mongols would just sit back and pump arrows into the pikemen.

Ross you're in friggin' Burgundy. Hoardin' supplies for a siege hahaha. The Turks won't ally with European powers, they're Muslims. The only way they'd ally is if we gave them Greece & Constantinople, which NO. [bleep] them.

NANANANANANANA NAZI BATMAN

Maybe next time you'll send your troops where you previously committed them before deciding to go gallivanting off on some silly mission in Scandinavia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLkZTJczirU

Well, I would like a small payment for them. 100,000 for indefinite service, and 250 for each death? Is that fair? They're rather cheap for how super uber leet they seem to be. Sure np, 1 minor setback though: the Protestant religion doesn't exist for another 500 years or so.

They'll go through Kiev, or else we wouldn't care since Byzantium is an NPC. European state religion map: Red is pagan It wasn't that hard to figure out what would happen when I took León and you took Muslim Spain. :lol: -- btw Retech :thumbup: You're doing a great job (I never say this to Arch because Arch is a heretic)

No the 'Uhhh' was because Turkey isn't even part of the game area.

Uhhh Thank you. A crusade isn't just something you can re-route as you please, it has a specific target and draws people for that specific goal. -- Basically Kiev is like...all steppes. Perfect for the stupid mongorians!

Leon starts breeding light, fast horses like crazy and starts producing big tower shields as well.

That's what I told you to do in the first place. No.