You want a real story? I had a no def pure, the guy I use as my main now. Anyway... I trained him for some time. WC'ed for money. Combat 57 no def, and I just hit 70 attack. I buy a whip. Had dagger on, switched to whip... oops, didn't know that the categories are different for the weapons. Boom I get a nice hit... goodbye 1def. You had what like 23 str or something... don't complain.