Ok, how about this for an interpretation. All of those nice warm fuzzy things in my post just before yours are loving god. We were created in god's image and thus, loving others is a representation of how we can physically love god.

 

 

 

 

 

 

See, that's the kind of blind crap that ticks me off.

 

 

 

Did not Jesus, or God, or some divine being say "If you are loving people, you are loving me?" Dunno, I'm paraphrasing it. Anyways, if there was a God, It wouldn't want us to be sitting in a Church praising It, it'd want us to help everyone we can here on earth. That is, unless It has an inferiority complex or something.

 

 

 

As a non-rhetorical question, would you seriously say that it's better to sit in Church and "praise God" rather than helping people, which is what It would want us to do? Sitting in a church does absolutely nothing for anyone. Going out and aiding the world does.

 

 

 

Ghandi loved God. You want to know why? Because he loved and helped people. He's billions times better than that arrogant [wagon] sitting in a confession booth thinking that they're better than him because their Christians and "repent", if you can really call what most people do true repenting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sure, loving others is loving God as you're obeying his commands. But there must be a difference between loving God and loving your neighbours. I think you can love God stranded on an Island with no one else on. I love him for everything he's done for me. And I try to love my neighbours as I love God and want to do what he says.

 

 

 

He's billions times better than that arrogant [wagon] sitting in a confession booth thinking that they're better than him because their Christians and "repent", if you can really call what most people do true repenting.

 

 

 

I'm curious as to what your life philosophy is that allows you to judge people you have never met or spoken with and have a clean conscience about it.

 

 

 

Or are you speaking about one Christian in particular? Because if he really is as arrogant as you say he is, I can assure you that God would agree with you wholeheartedly.

He's billions times better than that arrogant [wagon] sitting in a confession booth thinking that they're better than him because their Christians and "repent", if you can really call what most people do true repenting.

 

 

 

I'm curious as to what your life philosophy is that allows you to judge people you have never met or spoken with and have a clean conscience about it.

 

 

 

Or are you speaking about one Christian in particular? Because if he really is as arrogant as you say he is, I can assure you that God would agree with you wholeheartedly.

 

I'm speaking against the ideology that confessing in a booth in a Church actually means anything. Most Christians aren't like that, but the idea that "going to Church" > "helping people" just ticks me off. It's pure cowardice and lack of drive to actually do something to help the world.

 

 

 

Me, I know plenty of Christians who help people in immense ways, who still say you should always go to Church and whatnot. One, a seventh grade teacher of mine, does tons of amazing stuff- he organizes Christian, yet/and very fun socials for students by staying up late at night and working hard for the kids, at no benefit to him financially or anything else of that sort. He has a soccer camp that he runs to teach kids the sport and let them have fun. He goes to Mexico every year and helps out kids at orphanages (I went with him for a week to Mexico once in eighth grade, we helped out an orphanages and whatnot, spent time with Mexican orphans, etc.).

 

 

 

Anyways, my point is, being Christian doesn't mean your bad or anything in my opinion. True Christians are like the man I described- giving all of themselves to help others, true to their faith. He preaches about Jesus and God and all that, but, unlike many Christians, he actually walks the talk.

So you don't like the arrogance of some Christians, and therefore you acknowledge your own arrogance by judging them as cowards?

 

 

 

I think any devout Christian who understands his faith would agree that helping people is a major part of their faith. That's why the Bible mentions helping the poor in 2,100 verses in the Bible (compared that to the 6 verses in the Bible that talk about homosexuality).

 

 

 

My problem with you is that, although I agree that arrogance is a huge problem in the Church and always has been, instead of talking about it rationally, you decide to express a great deal of hate and anger towards the faith in general. I'd ask you this question:

 

 

 

How will calling names help bridge the gap? How will generalizing a faith by those who have hijacked it and turned it into something not, help solve problems in the world?

So you don't like the arrogance of some Christians, and therefore you acknowledge your own arrogance by judging them as cowards?

 

 

 

I think any devout Christian who understands his faith would agree that helping people is a major part of their faith. That's why the Bible mentions helping the poor in 2,100 verses in the Bible (compared that to the 6 verses in the Bible that talk about homosexuality).

 

 

 

My problem with you is that, although I agree that arrogance is a huge problem in the Church and always has been, instead of talking about it rationally, you decide to express a great deal of hate and anger towards the faith in general. I'd ask you this question:

 

 

 

How will calling names help bridge the gap? How will generalizing a faith by those who have hijacked it and turned it into something not, help solve problems in the world?

 

Argh... I'm not attacking Christianity. I could have sworn that I made that point painfully obvious in my post. I'm attacking the minority (I believe, could be a majority...) who seem to have an arrogant attitude that they're better than everyone else not for what they do, but because they're Christains.

 

 

 

And anyways, most people do in fact agree that helping people is part of the Christian faith (as you said, it's overwhelmingly obvious in the Bible), but many of the people in that group still just go to Church and do nothing else but that. That's not walking the talk, that's just going to Church to say you go to Church, or to get out of Hell, or whatever.

 

 

 

If you want to call me arrogant for thinking people like that are arrogant, fine, judge me as you please.

 

 

 

Yes, the Church does amazing things for the world. I'm frikking taking a class right now on everything Christianity has done and is doing for the world. It is an amazing religion full of giving and caring people, so I see no reason to feel "hate or anger" towards it.

 

 

 

As for the judging people as cowards, I was referring to people who are Christian and believe in God just because they're scared of Hell. That's the only group I was referring to when I said "cowards".

Maybe I didn't make it clear that I'm still referring to you making this post:

 

 

 

He's billions times better than that arrogant [wagon] sitting in a confession booth thinking that they're better than him because their Christians and "repent", if you can really call what most people do true repenting.

 

 

 

I just find it to be unnecessarily rude and a slap in the face to your entire ideology.

 

 

 

What? You only have to be nice to people who you think are nice?

 

Ok, how about this for an interpretation. All of those nice warm fuzzy things in my post just before yours are loving god. We were created in god's image and thus, loving others is a representation of how we can physically love god.

 

 

 

 

 

 

See, that's the kind of blind crap that ticks me off.

 

 

 

Did not Jesus, or God, or some divine being say "If you are loving people, you are loving me?" Dunno, I'm paraphrasing it. Anyways, if there was a God, It wouldn't want us to be sitting in a Church praising It, it'd want us to help everyone we can here on earth. That is, unless It has an inferiority complex or something.

 

 

 

As a non-rhetorical question, would you seriously say that it's better to sit in Church and "praise God" rather than helping people, which is what It would want us to do? Sitting in a church does absolutely nothing for anyone. Going out and aiding the world does.

 

 

 

Ghandi loved God. You want to know why? Because he loved and helped people. He's billions times better than that arrogant [wagon] sitting in a confession booth thinking that they're better than him because their Christians and "repent", if you can really call what most people do true repenting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sure, loving others is loving God as you're obeying his commands. But there must be a difference between loving God and loving your neighbours. I think you can love God stranded on an Island with no one else on. I love him for everything he's done for me. And I try to love my neighbours as I love God and want to do what he says.

 

 

 

 

 

 

haha. :lol: ...I don't get it.

Maybe I didn't make it clear that I'm still referring to you making this post:

 

 

 

He's billions times better than that arrogant [wagon] sitting in a confession booth thinking that they're better than him because their Christians and "repent", if you can really call what most people do true repenting.

 

 

 

I just find it to be unnecessarily rude and a slap in the face to your entire ideology.

 

 

 

What? You only have to be nice to people who you think are nice?

 

Maybe I didn't define what I was saying perfect when I said that, but my point still remains even in that sentence. When I say "thinking that they're better than him", that is when I was narrowing it down to Christians with an arrogant attitude. Reading back through it I suppose I see why it could be read as me hating on Christianity, but it was and never has been my intention to do that. I just hate stupid Christian debates like "Gasp, is Ghandi going to Hell?". It just shows the arrogant side of religion.

 

 

 

Anyways, would you stop with the patronizing, condescending attitudes in your post? Especially when you attack peoples logic, constantly? Sorry, it's just I like to debate on a level playing field, not on one where my debate partner repeatedly speaks in a condescending manner, and personally it seems like you act a little condescending in your posts.

Maybe I didn't define what I was saying perfect when I said that, but my point still remains even in that sentence. When I say "thinking that they're better than him", that is when I was narrowing it down to Christians with an arrogant attitude. Reading back through it I suppose I see why it could be read as me hating on Christianity, but it was and never has been my intention to do that. I just hate stupid Christian debates like "Gasp, is Ghandi going to Hell?". It just shows the arrogant side of religion.

 

 

 

That doesn't address the point that you are sticking up for nice people by calling other people names. That doesn't seem to fit.

 

 

 

Anyways, would you stop with the patronizing, condescending attitudes in your post? Especially when you attack peoples logic, constantly? Sorry, it's just I like to debate on a level playing field, not on one where my debate partner repeatedly speaks in a condescending manner, and personally it seems like you act a little condescending in your posts.

 

 

 

1. I'm sorry that you think people should get away with making statements that are illogical during a debate.

 

 

 

2. I'm sorry that you think my tone is condescending.