Gordon Brown...

[mrmyk]

Have all of you completely forgotten the pensions crises this tool has got the country into? Borrowing billions from pension funds which now leave the majority of us (young people) having to save for our pensions because Brown is too idiotic to finance the country.

 

 

 

i always thought we had to save for our pensions so i don't mind if it means saving up..i'm good at that

[angryjoe]

Have all of you completely forgotten the pensions crises this tool has got the country into? Borrowing billions from pension funds which now leave the majority of us (young people) having to save for our pensions because Brown is too idiotic to finance the country.

That is one thing. However our economy has never been in a better state than it is now and that is much more importabt than the pensions. I would bet everything i have that this country is miles better off than it would be with a tori government.

 

 

 

Besides, that is also down to an ageing population which isn't the government fault, other than the fact that it is providing better healthcare.

 

 

 

In other words, you are the tool.

[Bubsa]

other than the fact that it is providing better healthcare.

 

 

 

Steady on there lad, I wouldn't go that far.

[Ginger_Warrior]

other than the fact that it is providing better healthcare.

 

 

 

Steady on there lad, I wouldn't go that far.

 

I'm sorry, but don't believe the rubbish you hear in the media. Our healthcare never has been better. It's just that the medical profession is constantly facing new challenges and these problems have been focused more than they were in the past.

 

 

 

And as many have pointed out, what's the solution? The Tories? Who can't come up with a strong policy ATM if they really tried hard.

[Antrune_II]

Have all of you completely forgotten the pensions crises this tool has got the country into? Borrowing billions from pension funds which now leave the majority of us (young people) having to save for our pensions because Brown is too idiotic to finance the country.

That is one thing. However our economy has never been in a better state than it is now and that is much more importabt than the pensions. I would bet everything i have that this country is miles better off than it would be with a tori government.

 

 

 

Besides, that is also down to an ageing population which isn't the government fault, other than the fact that it is providing better healthcare.

 

 

 

In other words, you are the tool.

 

 

 

The fact you spelt 'Tory' with an 'i' makes you an even bigger tool.

[Bubsa]

Wow, cool comeback, Hansel.

[Ginger_Warrior]

And the fact the only thing you could pick out his argument was a typo doesn't make you look like a tool? :-k

[baron8000]

other than the fact that it is providing better healthcare.

 

 

 

Steady on there lad, I wouldn't go that far.

 

I'm sorry, but don't believe the rubbish you hear in the media. Our healthcare never has been better.

 

 

 

Aha hahah hahahah ha.

 

 

 

PFI's - thank you

 

 

 

Lesser of two evils is NOT an excuse to be slightly less awful.

[Antrune_II]

And the fact the only thing you could pick out his argument was a typo doesn't make you look like a tool? :-k

 

 

 

It probably does yes. God forbid I look like a tool on the internet :shock:

[Bubsa]

And the fact the only thing you could pick out his argument was a typo doesn't make you look like a tool? :-k

 

 

 

It probably does yes. God forbid I look like a tool on the internet :shock:

 

 

 

If you care not for the name, then neither will he. So, why did you use it in the first place?

 

 

 

Here's a rope for that hole.

[Ginger_Warrior]

And the fact the only thing you could pick out his argument was a typo doesn't make you look like a tool? :-k

 

 

 

It probably does yes. God forbid I look like a tool on the internet :shock:

 

As Bubsa said, your contradiction and hypocracy speaks for itself.

 

 

 

I note you're new to these forums. Allow me to be the first to tell you this is a place for intelligent discussion, not mindless flaming of others for fairly insignificant mistakes. Tip.It prides itself in that statement.

 

 

 

Now, can we move this discussion back on-topic please?

 

 

 

I personally like the way he invited that air luggage carrier who tackled the terrorist at Glasgow Airport. I dunno if a similar meeting took place at the Scottish Parliament, but if there was such a meeting, it's noticable that was given some media attention whilst the other wasn't. It was nice to see the British Government in Downing Street actually reaching out to Scotland, something which really hasn't been noticable in recent months with all this talk of independance.

[Bubsa]

And the fact the only thing you could pick out his argument was a typo doesn't make you look like a tool? :-k

 

 

 

It probably does yes. God forbid I look like a tool on the internet :shock:

 

As Bubsa said, your contradiction and hypocracy speaks for itself.

 

 

 

I note you're new to these forums. Allow me to be the first to tell you this is a place for intelligent discussion, not mindless flaming of others for farly insignificant mistakes. Tip.It prides itself in that statement.

 

 

 

PoA: He's not knew. Had another account :-w

[Antrune_II]

OK, so saying he couldn't run the ecomony was pretty stupid on my part. But it still doesn't stop the fact he has completed screwed the pensions system :shock: BTW, I'm Antrune but I had to make this new account because I lost my password for the original Antrune :(

[cryztalwing]

Gordon Brown faced fresh Tory pressure for a referendum on the new EU treaty yesterday after William Hague described it as 'overwhelmingly' similar to the old constitution.

 

 

 

The Shadow Foreign Secretary published research showing that only ten out of the 250 proposals contained in the document rejected by French and Dutch voters had changed.

 

 

 

He suggested the 'unreadable' treaty had been designed to confuse the public and accused the Prime Minister of trying to push it through on the 'quiet'.

 

 

 

Mr Hague warned that once MPs return from Parliament's summer recess they will have only nine working days to debate the treaty before it is signed off by Mr Brown in October.

 

 

 

His party boosted its campaign for a referendum by publishing a pamphlet entitled The EU Treaty in Plain English.

 

 

 

Mr Hague accused Labour of handing sovereignty to Brussels as the treaty creates a powerful EU president and foreign minister.

 

 

 

He said Britain is losing vetoes in some 60 policy areas including transport, energy and migration and warned that new powers are being handed to the European Commission, Court of Justice and Parliament.

 

 

 

Mr Hague added that a little-noticed 'ratchet clause' in the treaty would allow the EU to abolish vetoes in almost all other areas. Member states would simply have to 'notify' MPs of what was happening.

 

 

 

He said: "There has been limited public debate about this issue and it is important for people to have a clear understanding of it. The plan all along has been to keep the substance and change the presentation.

 

 

 

"The EU treaty is overwhelmingly the same as the EU constitution. It is in large measure and predominantly the same thing with the same effect. I think in a way Gordon Brown wants to get this out of the way with as little public

 

 

 

Attacking the document's complicated language, Mr Hague cited a passage which says: "As far as the content of the amendments to the existing treaties is concerned, the innovations resulting from the 2004 IGC will be integrated into the TEU and the Treaty on the functioning of the Union, as specified in this mandate.

 

 

 

"Modifications to these innovations introduced as a result of the consultations held with member states over the past six months are indicated below."

 

 

 

Mr Hague explained: "That is really taking everything that was agreed in the European constitution and using it as a starting base for the treaty."

 

 

 

In another passage, the treaty says: "Articles 29 to 39 of Title VI of the EU Treaty, which related to judicial cooperation in criminal matters and to police cooperation, shall be replaced by Articles (111-257 to 111-264 and 111-270 to 111-277) of the Treaty on the function of the union."

 

 

 

The Tory pamphlet paraphrases this as: "EU judges will now be able to rule on EU agreements over criminal justice and policing."

 

 

 

In Labour's 2005 general election manifesto, Tony Blair had promised voters a referendum on the EU constitution that was eventually shelved that year.

 

 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

[Ginger_Warrior]

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Gordon Brown faced fresh Tory pressure for a referendum on the new EU treaty yesterday after William Hague described it as 'overwhelmingly' similar to the old constitution.

 

 

 

The Shadow Foreign Secretary published research showing that only ten out of the 250 proposals contained in the document rejected by French and Dutch voters had changed.

 

 

 

He suggested the 'unreadable' treaty had been designed to confuse the public and accused the Prime Minister of trying to push it through on the 'quiet'.

 

 

 

Mr Hague warned that once MPs return from Parliament's summer recess they will have only nine working days to debate the treaty before it is signed off by Mr Brown in October.

 

 

 

His party boosted its campaign for a referendum by publishing a pamphlet entitled The EU Treaty in Plain English.

 

 

 

Mr Hague accused Labour of handing sovereignty to Brussels as the treaty creates a powerful EU president and foreign minister.

 

 

 

He said Britain is losing vetoes in some 60 policy areas including transport, energy and migration and warned that new powers are being handed to the European Commission, Court of Justice and Parliament.

 

 

 

Mr Hague added that a little-noticed 'ratchet clause' in the treaty would allow the EU to abolish vetoes in almost all other areas. Member states would simply have to 'notify' MPs of what was happening.

 

 

 

He said: "There has been limited public debate about this issue and it is important for people to have a clear understanding of it. The plan all along has been to keep the substance and change the presentation.

 

 

 

"The EU treaty is overwhelmingly the same as the EU constitution. It is in large measure and predominantly the same thing with the same effect. I think in a way Gordon Brown wants to get this out of the way with as little public

 

 

 

Attacking the document's complicated language, Mr Hague cited a passage which says: "As far as the content of the amendments to the existing treaties is concerned, the innovations resulting from the 2004 IGC will be integrated into the TEU and the Treaty on the functioning of the Union, as specified in this mandate.

 

 

 

"Modifications to these innovations introduced as a result of the consultations held with member states over the past six months are indicated below."

 

 

 

Mr Hague explained: "That is really taking everything that was agreed in the European constitution and using it as a starting base for the treaty."

 

 

 

In another passage, the treaty says: "Articles 29 to 39 of Title VI of the EU Treaty, which related to judicial cooperation in criminal matters and to police cooperation, shall be replaced by Articles (111-257 to 111-264 and 111-270 to 111-277) of the Treaty on the function of the union."

 

 

 

The Tory pamphlet paraphrases this as: "EU judges will now be able to rule on EU agreements over criminal justice and policing."

 

 

 

In Labour's 2005 general election manifesto, Tony Blair had promised voters a referendum on the EU constitution that was eventually shelved that year.

 

 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

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Great opinion... well analysed and thought out.

[Bubsa]

[hide]Gordon Brown faced fresh Tory pressure for a referendum on the new EU treaty yesterday after William Hague described it as 'overwhelmingly' similar to the old constitution.

 

 

 

The Shadow Foreign Secretary published research showing that only ten out of the 250 proposals contained in the document rejected by French and Dutch voters had changed.

 

 

 

He suggested the 'unreadable' treaty had been designed to confuse the public and accused the Prime Minister of trying to push it through on the 'quiet'.

 

 

 

Mr Hague warned that once MPs return from Parliament's summer recess they will have only nine working days to debate the treaty before it is signed off by Mr Brown in October.

 

 

 

His party boosted its campaign for a referendum by publishing a pamphlet entitled The EU Treaty in Plain English.

 

 

 

Mr Hague accused Labour of handing sovereignty to Brussels as the treaty creates a powerful EU president and foreign minister.

 

 

 

He said Britain is losing vetoes in some 60 policy areas including transport, energy and migration and warned that new powers are being handed to the European Commission, Court of Justice and Parliament.

 

 

 

Mr Hague added that a little-noticed 'ratchet clause' in the treaty would allow the EU to abolish vetoes in almost all other areas. Member states would simply have to 'notify' MPs of what was happening.

 

 

 

He said: "There has been limited public debate about this issue and it is important for people to have a clear understanding of it. The plan all along has been to keep the substance and change the presentation.

 

 

 

"The EU treaty is overwhelmingly the same as the EU constitution. It is in large measure and predominantly the same thing with the same effect. I think in a way Gordon Brown wants to get this out of the way with as little public

 

 

 

Attacking the document's complicated language, Mr Hague cited a passage which says: "As far as the content of the amendments to the existing treaties is concerned, the innovations resulting from the 2004 IGC will be integrated into the TEU and the Treaty on the functioning of the Union, as specified in this mandate.

 

 

 

"Modifications to these innovations introduced as a result of the consultations held with member states over the past six months are indicated below."

 

 

 

Mr Hague explained: "That is really taking everything that was agreed in the European constitution and using it as a starting base for the treaty."

 

 

 

In another passage, the treaty says: "Articles 29 to 39 of Title VI of the EU Treaty, which related to judicial cooperation in criminal matters and to police cooperation, shall be replaced by Articles (111-257 to 111-264 and 111-270 to 111-277) of the Treaty on the function of the union."

 

 

 

The Tory pamphlet paraphrases this as: "EU judges will now be able to rule on EU agreements over criminal justice and policing."

 

 

 

In Labour's 2005 general election manifesto, Tony Blair had promised voters a referendum on the EU constitution that was eventually shelved that year.

 

 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770[/hide]

 

 

 

So, what was the point in you having some copy pasta from a right wing, Nazi supporting, you-can-get-cancer-from-leeks newspaper?