October 23, 200718 yr Member Group: Member Posts: 128 Joined: 11-June 07 Member No.: 233,749 RS Name: grimmm125 RS Status: Member Clan: ancient pkers Rating: < -5 ( 0 ) 5 > (mods) please do not remove this thread, remove the other one i made if you need to. hello everyone, ive had alot of problems with my computer for a little while now and im trying to figure out if i should buy a new one or not. current computers specs: 4 year old compaq evo pentium 4 windows exp service pack2 2.33 ghz 790 mb ram ok well, recently runescape has started lagging/jumping like hell and im finding it hard to do anything anymore. Is their somthing wrong with my computer? is it worth buying new graphic cards and stuff or should i just buy a new one? im paying for 512 kbps, I know its not very fast but dad refuses to upgrade so i must live with it. We had 256kbps before we upgraded and runescape never lagged once altho the internet was slow as all hell. So yeah... whats wrong with my computer? has it just reached old age and died? should i get a new one or can this one be fixed? thanks alot please do not remove this post bye
October 23, 200718 yr well your computer and your internet connection is fine. Runescape runs fine on old pentium 2 laptops with 64mb of RAM (Ive tried it) and so your computer is plenty fast enough to run runescape, as is your internet connection. The most likely thing is that your computer is getting bogged down by files and programs that have accumulated on your computer over time, from various downloads etc. The most dramatic performance jump would come from reformatting you hard drive and reinstalling everything, but if you would rather not do that (or are unable) I would recommend just going through your computer, uninstalling unneeded programs and deleting unneeded files to speed your computer. EDIT: Oh, and what is this? Member Group: Member Posts: 128 Joined: 11-June 07 Member No.: 233,749 RS Name: grimmm125 RS Status: Member Clan: ancient pkers Rating: < -5 ( 0 ) 5 >
October 23, 200718 yr My first guess here is just its been bogged down with spyware since you got it. Get HiJack This and run it, post the results in this thread. I can't read them well but someone else can. As far as your machine goes its just fine for running runescape. A graphics card would not do anything to actually help run runescape. Internet connection wise show us your results from http://www.speedtest.com Thats all I can think of right now. It might help to get CCleaner and run it. Even on a 4 month old PC of mine it removed at least a gig of un needed files.
October 23, 200718 yr My first guess here is just its been bogged down with spyware since you got it. Get HiJack This and run it, post the results in this thread. I can't read them well but someone else can. As far as your machine goes its just fine for running runescape. A graphics card would not do anything to actually help run runescape. Internet connection wise show us your results from http://www.speedtest.com Thats all I can think of right now. It might help to get CCleaner and run it. Even on a 4 month old PC of mine it removed at least a gig of un needed files. It's http://www.speedtest.net :wink: . I also think it's a software issue. That computer is still pretty fast, it would have no trouble running Runescape.
October 23, 200718 yr I'm not going to contribute anything at all, but why does everyone think, because runescape is slow, that they need a new graphics card? Last.fm Signature Overlays
October 23, 200718 yr I say just uninstall any un-needed programs. If you like to collect a lot of images and pictures, that also takes quite a bit of space. Your internet is fine for it...I used to play on 56.6kbps Dial-up before I got DSL and it was...well, playable. If the problem continues, you might want to scan for spyware. Spybot - Search and Destroy is a good one. And like Nadril said, HiJack This is good too...post the log. Also, you may want to install an antivirus program if you haven't already...such as Norton Antivirus or AVG.
October 23, 200718 yr Author thanks a heap everyone, ive reformatted windows and installed a few programs... bit defender anti virus (the one that costs) windows fire wall (is it good enough)? avg anti spyware windows livemessenger and java how do i do a hijack this log? thanks
October 23, 200718 yr Author ok this is the hijack this log Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.2 Scan saved at 12:47:14 PM, on 10/23/2007 Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600) MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP2 (6.00.2900.2180) Boot mode: Normal Running processes: C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss[Caution: Executable File] C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon[Caution: Executable File] C:\WINDOWS\system32\services[Caution: Executable File] C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass[Caution: Executable File] C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost[Caution: Executable File] C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost[Caution: Executable File] C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv[Caution: Executable File] C:\WINDOWS\Explorer[Caution: Executable File] C:\Program Files\Analog Devices\SoundMAX\SMTray[Caution: Executable File] C:\Program Files\Analog Devices\SoundMAX\DrvLsnr[Caution: Executable File] C:\WINDOWS\system32\igfxtray[Caution: Executable File] C:\WINDOWS\system32\hkcmd[Caution: Executable File] C:\Program Files\BitDefender\BitDefender 2008\bdagent[Caution: Executable File] C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs[Caution: Executable File] C:\Program Files\Analog Devices\SoundMAX\SMAgent[Caution: Executable File] C:\Program Files\Common Files\BitDefender\BitDefender Communicator\xcommsvr[Caution: Executable File] C:\Program Files\BitDefender\BitDefender 2008\vsserv[Caution: Executable File] C:\Program Files\Common Files\BitDefender\BitDefender Update Service\livesrv[Caution: Executable File] C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost[Caution: Executable File] C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore[Caution: Executable File] C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore[Caution: Executable File] C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore[Caution: Executable File] C:\Program Files\Trend Micro\HijackThis\HijackThis[Caution: Executable File] R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.runescape.com/ O3 - Toolbar: BitDefender Toolbar - {381FFDE8-2394-4f90-B10D-FC6124A40F8C} - C:\Program Files\BitDefender\BitDefender 2008\IEToolbar.dll O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [smapp] C:\Program Files\Analog Devices\SoundMAX\SMTray[Caution: Executable File] O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [DrvLsnr] C:\Program Files\Analog Devices\SoundMAX\DrvLsnr[Caution: Executable File] O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [bitDefender Antiphishing Helper] "C:\Program Files\BitDefender\BitDefender 2008\IEShow[Caution: Executable File]" O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [igfxTray] C:\WINDOWS\system32\igfxtray[Caution: Executable File] O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [HotKeysCmds] C:\WINDOWS\system32\hkcmd[Caution: Executable File] O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [bDAgent] "C:\Program Files\BitDefender\BitDefender 2008\bdagent[Caution: Executable File]" O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MSMSGS] "C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs[Caution: Executable File]" /background O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs[Caution: Executable File] O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs[Caution: Executable File] O23 - Service: BitDefender Desktop Update Service (LIVESRV) - BitDefender S.R.L. - C:\Program Files\Common Files\BitDefender\BitDefender Update Service\livesrv[Caution: Executable File] O23 - Service: SoundMAX Agent Service (SoundMAX Agent Service (default)) - Analog Devices, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Analog Devices\SoundMAX\SMAgent[Caution: Executable File] O23 - Service: BitDefender Virus Shield (VSSERV) - BitDefender S.R.L. - C:\Program Files\BitDefender\BitDefender 2008\vsserv[Caution: Executable File] O23 - Service: BitDefender Communicator (XCOMM) - Softwin - C:\Program Files\Common Files\BitDefender\BitDefender Communicator\xcommsvr[Caution: Executable File] -- End of file - 2914 bytes this is the speedtest thing download: 385 kbps upload: 100kbps ping: 85ms ok can someone please check these and make sure its alright thanks
October 23, 200718 yr Well since you formatted you kinda didn't need the Hijackthis log :P . Well since you posted it, I looked at it and theres nothing wrong. Your internet speed is not fast, but it's fine for Runescape. Windows firewall is usually good enough for most people but others will suggest to get a different one. If you do decide to get a different one, Zonealarm is an excellent free one.
October 23, 200718 yr thanks a heap everyone, ive reformatted windows and installed a few programs... bit defender anti virus (the one that costs) windows fire wall (is it good enough)? avg anti spyware windows livemessenger and java how do i do a hijack this log? thanks BitDefender AntiVirus??? Not good enough. You're gonna need Norton or Eset's NOD32 minimum. I recommend NOD32 out of the two, as it has the best protection, the least system weight, and it will cost less overall than either Norton or BitDefender, and has far better protection. (NOD32 has saved all the computers in this house from fully new viruses, and does not foul with system settings, so I stand by it 150%. Norton, however, will turn on the Windows "Automatic Updates" Service, even if you want it off, which can cause severe data loss in some situations.) Windows FireWall??? <*chokes and gags from the insanity in your thinking this will protect you*> Windows' internal FireWall can be blown through by most viruses and worms. (I still remember the time someone else and I tried to update a freshly installed windows load on Dial-Up without ZA or an antivirus, and had MicroSoft's FireWall running at maximum tightened settings. Ended up formatting and re-installing from scratch due to the Blaster Worm, then listening to a MicroSoft Support Dummy reading a script and thinking we're pirates when we are not. BTW, I wasn't very smart back then.) You need ZoneAlarm minimum. Get the Free Edition, if you can't pay for Pro. AVG anti-spyware??? Not a great idea. It may collide with BitDefender, or any other AntiVirus, for that matter. Get SpyBot Search&Destroy and LavaSoft's Ad-Aware 2007. They are your best bets, to be honest, and paired with NOD32, they'll get rid of your problems. Windows Live Messenger and Java? Good programs, enjoy them. (I just wish I could use WLM, but that someone else that I mentioned here has been quite the jerk on me. *sigh* At least there's Java and RuneScape. -.- ...) ~Mr. Devnull and normally with a cool mind.(Warning: This user can be VERY confusing to some people... And talks in 3rd person for the timebeing due to how insane they are... Sometimes even to themself.)
October 23, 200718 yr Windows' internal FireWall can be blown through by most viruses and worms. (I still remember the time someone else and I tried to update a freshly installed windows load on Dial-Up without ZA or an antivirus, and had MicroSoft's FireWall running at maximum tightened settings. Ended up formatting and re-installing from scratch due to the Blaster Worm, then listening to a MicroSoft Support Dummy reading a script and thinking we're pirates when we are not. BTW, I wasn't very smart back then.) Well if you didn't have an anti-virus or anti-spyware running and you got a virus, then it's not the firewall's fault, plain and simple, don't argue back (because I know you will). There's plenty of other things I could argue with you about but it's not worth it because you will not listen. Come on man, suggesting Nortan over Bitdefender?
October 23, 200718 yr I say he's fine..except for Windows Firewall. I'm no expert, but I'd recommend NOD32 for antivirus and firewall...and Spybot: S&D for spyware and things of that nature. Get Ad-Aware also, I heard it's good.
October 26, 200718 yr *Barf* Intel. Get an AMD processor if you choose to upgrade. Oh great we have a troll. :roll: Seriously, go take your fanboy nonsense someplace else.
October 26, 200718 yr *Barf* Intel. Get an AMD processor if you choose to upgrade. Oh great we have a troll. :roll: Seriously, go take your fanboy nonsense someplace else. That might very well be the first troll I have ever seen on tip.it.
October 26, 200718 yr *Barf* Intel. Get an AMD processor if you choose to upgrade. Oh great we have a troll. :roll: Seriously, go take your fanboy nonsense someplace else. That might very well be the first troll I have ever seen on tip.it. Yeah generally we just have stupid people, not trolls.
October 26, 200718 yr I will make the simple suggestion and suggest you start trying different servers. Keep a paper and pen on your desk and keep track of the servers where you experience lagging and jumping. Then never go back to them. There are domestic US servers that I absolutely cannot play on because of the lag/jumping, and there are overseas servers that are as smooth as glass. I suspect you will find the same. One other thing I might look at is what other people suggested, that there is a background process running that is sapping your bandwidth (spyware, automated software updates, etc). PvP is not for meIn the 3rd Year of the BoycottReal-world money saved since FT/W: Hundreds of DollarsReal-world time saved since FT/W: Thousands of Hours
October 30, 200718 yr Okay, several people to reply to here... Windows' internal FireWall can be blown through by most viruses and worms. (I still remember the time someone else and I tried to update a freshly installed windows load on Dial-Up without ZA or an antivirus, and had MicroSoft's FireWall running at maximum tightened settings. Ended up formatting and re-installing from scratch due to the Blaster Worm, then listening to a MicroSoft Support Dummy reading a script and thinking we're pirates when we are not. BTW, I wasn't very smart back then.) Well if you didn't have an anti-virus or anti-spyware running and you got a virus, then it's not the firewall's fault, plain and simple, don't argue back (because I know you will). blade995, it would have broken through the antivirus without a good firewall in place. MS's darned "RPC Locator" Service wasn't designed properly, and lets a lot of stuff right around system defenses. Worse, we didn't know it was already active. Anywho, at the time, I was trying to let the other person that was there try to do it without any major changes to the system. How little they knew the system wouldn't last without putting in a few extra things. I almost got decked for trying to suggest that further defenses needed to be up first. (In part because I wasn't very good at verbal arguments back then.) Thankfully, we shut off the "RPC Locator" Service and got the extra defenses in after that experience. -.- Honestly, though, I wish MS wouldn't design crappy OS software that needs updates and patches to survive. ... It gives me a [bleep]-ing headache. -.- There's plenty of other things I could argue with you about but it's not worth it because you will not listen. Come on man, suggesting Nortan over Bitdefender? Uh, yes. BitDefender is ranked worse overall, and displays such also. Norton, on the other hand, does the job rather well, and is second only in overall protection and power to NOD32 itself. I say he's fine..except for Windows Firewall. I'm no expert, but I'd recommend NOD32 for antivirus and firewall...and Spybot: S&D for spyware and things of that nature. Get Ad-Aware also, I heard it's good. Reality Check: NOD32 is an antivirus, Not a FireWall. (Ugh, I just realized the 'Star Trek pun'. #-o ...) Did you mean to recommend ZoneAlarm for the FireWall? :-s ~Mr. Devnull and normally with a cool mind.(Warning: This user can be VERY confusing to some people... And talks in 3rd person for the timebeing due to how insane they are... Sometimes even to themself.)
October 30, 200718 yr Honestly, though, I wish MS wouldn't design crappy OS software that needs updates and patches to survive. ... It gives me a [bleep]-ing headache. ugh The reason why there are so many security flaws because people are looking for them. If Microsoft didn't have 90% market share then they would not be exploited. Hackers want to target the most users, which is Windows. If Linux or Mac OS X was #1 then they probably would have the same amount of problems.
October 30, 200718 yr adam_ross0 wrote: I say he's fine..except for Windows Firewall. I'm no expert, but I'd recommend NOD32 for antivirus and firewall...and Spybot: S&D for spyware and things of that nature. Get Ad-Aware also, I heard it's good. Reality Check: NOD32 is an antivirus, Not a FireWall. (Ugh, I just realized the 'Star Trek pun'. d'oh! ...) Did you mean to recommend ZoneAlarm for the FireWall? Eh? ~Mr. Devnull That was a weird night, lol. Yeah, I did mean to say Zonealarm. I was thinking about NOD32 at the time though...so..I guess I mistyped or something. For Anti-virus, I say go with whatever you want. I'd go with AVG, Norton, NOD32...whatever you think seems good I suppose.
October 30, 200718 yr Honestly, though, I wish MS wouldn't design crappy OS software that needs updates and patches to survive. ... It gives me a [bleep]-ing headache. -.- The reason why there are so many security flaws because people are looking for them. If Microsoft didn't have 90% market share then they would not be exploited. Hackers want to target the most users, which is Windows. If Linux or Mac OS X was #1 then they probably would have the same amount of problems. No, the reason there are so many security flaws in windows is because the programmers at MicroSoft aren't fully checking their code and writing it properly before it goes out the door to the consumer. The hackers (both white-hat and black-hat) and other security companies are just simply running into the security flaws after the fact, but the fault is with the original code programmers at MicroSoft. You're right, though, in saying that these flaws wouldn't be so heavily targeted if Windows wasn't #1 in market share. However, don't go placing the blame for the beginning mistakes that are in Windows in the wrong place. The blame for the beginning mistakes is MicroSoft's alone. ~Mr. D. V. Devnull and normally with a cool mind.(Warning: This user can be VERY confusing to some people... And talks in 3rd person for the timebeing due to how insane they are... Sometimes even to themself.)
October 30, 200718 yr Honestly, though, I wish MS wouldn't design crappy OS software that needs updates and patches to survive. ... It gives me a [bleep]-ing headache. -.- The reason why there are so many security flaws because people are looking for them. If Microsoft didn't have 90% market share then they would not be exploited. Hackers want to target the most users, which is Windows. If Linux or Mac OS X was #1 then they probably would have the same amount of problems. No, the reason there are so many security flaws in windows is because the programmers at MicroSoft aren't fully checking their code and writing it properly before it goes out the door to the consumer. The hackers (both white-hat and black-hat) and other security companies are just simply running into the security flaws after the fact, but the fault is with the original code programmers at MicroSoft. You're right, though, in saying that these flaws wouldn't be so heavily targeted if Windows wasn't #1 in market share. However, don't go placing the blame for the beginning mistakes that are in Windows in the wrong place. The blame for the beginning mistakes is MicroSoft's alone. ~Mr. D. V. Devnull Your thinking is seriously flawed. Do you really think that one of the largest companies in the world would sit back and have lazy and/or bad programmers working for them? Nobody is perfect and people make mistakes. If they could go over every line of code in windows to double check it, then it would take double the amount of time between releases and then they still will not catch too many more. I bet you would say the same thing if another company making operating systems was on top. Apple usually releases more security fixes per month than Microsoft.
October 30, 200718 yr Honestly, though, I wish MS wouldn't design crappy OS software that needs updates and patches to survive. ... It gives me a [bleep]-ing headache. -.- The reason why there are so many security flaws because people are looking for them. If Microsoft didn't have 90% market share then they would not be exploited. Hackers want to target the most users, which is Windows. If Linux or Mac OS X was #1 then they probably would have the same amount of problems. No, the reason there are so many security flaws in windows is because the programmers at MicroSoft aren't fully checking their code and writing it properly before it goes out the door to the consumer. The hackers (both white-hat and black-hat) and other security companies are just simply running into the security flaws after the fact, but the fault is with the original code programmers at MicroSoft. You're right, though, in saying that these flaws wouldn't be so heavily targeted if Windows wasn't #1 in market share. However, don't go placing the blame for the beginning mistakes that are in Windows in the wrong place. The blame for the beginning mistakes is MicroSoft's alone. ~Mr. D. V. Devnull Your thinking is seriously flawed. Do you really think that one of the largest companies in the world would sit back and have lazy and/or bad programmers working for them? Nobody is perfect and people make mistakes. If they could go over every line of code in windows to double check it, then it would take double the amount of time between releases and then they still will not catch too many more. I bet you would say the same thing if another company making operating systems was on top. Apple usually releases more security fixes per month than Microsoft. Actually, yes, I do think that a large company would have lazy and/or bad programmers working for them just to meet their stupid deadline, instead of hiring programmers who would prevent release until all the bugs are worked completely out. And why? Just because those large companies simply are greedy, money-grubbing, evil jerks! Further, it is a known fact that those programmers who work at MicroSoft/Apple/any-other-major-company are not the best, but they get hired simply because they'll do the job on time and not worry about the aftermath of code slip-ups. You're right, nobody is perfect. However, if the programmers would think, as well as the companies that hire them, and go over the code a few thousand times, it is possible to perfect the code they write, and smart programmers do just that. (Heck, smart programmers make sure not to make mistakes, and can correct their stuff in far less passes.) Yes, it would delay the release cycle and make it longer, but it would help quite a lot to prevent black-hat hackers ever having the chance to cause the kinds of problems we see today. No, blade995, it wouldn't matter who is on top in market share. If the OS has bugs, I'm upset at the company that wrote it. And BTW, I've seen crashed Macs. It ain't pretty. Sometimes all you can do is to pull the darn plug and wait an hour. However, that puts Apple at a worse disadvantage. I hate to say it, but since you've started an insult-fest, I've basically blasted you here. Seems you're the one with the flawed thinking, or you wouldn't have been sucked in by the "get-it-out-on-schedule-and-clean-up-after" mentality that businesses like Apple and MicroSoft have about a computer OS. You may have noticed, I haven't been sucked in, and am quite well not going to be. My thinking that things should be done right, and not rushed, is NOT flawed thinking. ~Mr. Devnull and normally with a cool mind.(Warning: This user can be VERY confusing to some people... And talks in 3rd person for the timebeing due to how insane they are... Sometimes even to themself.)
October 31, 200718 yr I hate to say it, but since you've started an insult-fest, I've basically blasted you here. Seems you're the one with the flawed thinking, or you wouldn't have been sucked in by the "get-it-out-on-schedule-and-clean-up-after" mentality that businesses like Apple and MicroSoft have about a computer OS. You may have noticed, I haven't been sucked in, and am quite well not going to be. My thinking that things should be done right, and not rushed, is NOT flawed thinking. I have not been sucked in. Infact I like Apple and Linux better, but I'm sick of people bashing Microsoft for no reason and giving their opinion as fact or just giving flat out lies. You try to write an operating system that has millions of lines of code and see if you can come even come close to as functional as Windows is. You have no idea how hard it is to have something work on millions of computers that will work and have no bugs, it's impossible. Look, if you want to sprew your crap about stuff that you have no idea about, take it somewhere else. I am sick of you giving false and flat out wrong information.
October 31, 200718 yr That's the one thing I REALLY hate about Microsoft..they're abusing the average user, in a way. Yes, they do care about their operating systems. But, would they rather delay their latest OS and fix everything, or release it early, and make money off of new computers with their new OS installed? Big businesses, no matter what, are after money. Microsoft, for one, isn't taking all of that extra time to fix bugs for one simple reason...money. Your average user believes that 'Hey, this is the latest and greatest..I better get it'. Whenever a bug happens, they pay tech support to fix it, or they buy a new computer. They won't switch OSes, because oftentimes, people are too scared to try something new. And yes, before I get flames, this is very, very true. Apple also has these sorts of problems..but not so much. You don't hear about Macs crashing near as much because, from obsservations, Apple probably hires smarter, better, more dedicated programmers. Ever noticed how there are no Macs at places like Wal-Mart? It's because they want retailers who can help you with your Mac problems AT THE STORE. But even though they take extra measures like this, they still have errors. Nobody is perfect. It's almost impossible to release new software without having bugs or errors. But bugs and errors can easily be prevented..and can bring the dream of the 'Perfect Software' Even closer. So yeah...my basis behind all of the bugs and errors is Greed..the want for Money.
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