what is wrong with my comp? should i just upgrade?

[D. V. Devnull]

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8-)

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

[m1cha34l]

Actually, the reson Mac's don't crash as often is because:-

 

 

 

-Less complicated software for it

 

-It manages system rescorses differently so one program can't 'hog' all your CPU etc. (this does have it's advantages though).

 

-There is less open source software for it

 

-Macs has less features to go wrong

 

-They spend time filling in bugs rather than making new features

 

-Mac is a UNIX based system which is OLD and has had lot's of it's bugs filled in

[blade995]

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8-)

 

 

 

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I like how you think you won the argument with your one sided views. You need to open your mind to both sides of opinion. You don't realize that your warped judgment is ruining your IT helpfulness. You can't work in IT and have a one sided judgment of things or you will be fired. You need to think of the good and the bad with each.

[adam_ross0]

Actually, the reson Mac's don't crash as often is because:-

 

 

 

-Less complicated software for it

 

-It manages system rescorses differently so one program can't 'hog' all your CPU etc. (this does have it's advantages though).

 

-There is less open source software for it

 

-Macs has less features to go wrong

 

-They spend time filling in bugs rather than making new features

 

-Mac is a UNIX based system which is OLD and has had lot's of it's bugs filled in

 

 

 

Exactly. Which goes even further with proving that Apple, although not perfect, is at least trying harder from a consumer observation in order to keep their products Working and Secure.

[Cruiser]

More classic examples of the 'my opinion is fact' syndrome that seems to be going around.

 

 

 

That's the one thing I REALLY hate about Microsoft..they're abusing the average user, in a way. Yes, they do care about their operating systems. But, would they rather delay their latest OS and fix everything, or release it early, and make money off of new computers with their new OS installed?

Yes Microsoft has had a predatory past. They were even convicted and 'punished' for it. That does not automatically mean they sit on their [wagon] and leave bugs open because they want to make money. There are literally millions of hardware combinations that Windows has to run on and there is no way in hell they can test every possible combination. Vista has it's problems, XP had it's problems, both cases are far more related to size and complexity (and bad design) than money grubbing.

 

 

 

Apple also has these sorts of problems..but not so much. You don't hear about Macs crashing near as much because, from obsservations, Apple probably hires smarter, better, more dedicated programmers. Ever noticed how there are no Macs at places like Wal-Mart? It's because they want retailers who can help you with your Mac problems AT THE STORE. But even though they take extra measures like this, they still have errors.

Apple also doesn't have to support those million hardware combinations. They hire the same programmers anyone else would. Being Apple doesn't change that. They program for a strict set of hardware and don't have to compensate for Joe Sixpack plugging in that obscure video card form 1998 or Bob the IT guy running code from 1995. Apple has it extremely easy by comparison when it comes to the amount of work they have to do simply because of the limited hardware they sell. There are also no Macs at places like Walmart because people shopping at Walmart have no interest spending a minimum of $1000 on a computer. Walmart is a discount store, not the local BestBuy. Apple is more interested in squeezing every last drop of revenue they can out of their sale. Passing it on to Walmart to sell to Joe Sixpack loses a chunk of that.

 

 

 

Nobody is perfect. It's almost impossible to release new software without having bugs or errors. But bugs and errors can easily be prevented..and can bring the dream of the 'Perfect Software' Even closer. So yeah...my basis behind all of the bugs and errors is Greed..the want for Money.

Go write and manage a few million lines of code that is used by millions upon millions of people on millions of hardware combinations. If you can do that and be absolutely bug free, you should be working for NASA or some other high level organization, but I can bet with fairly high certainty that isn't the case. Perfect software is a pipe dream. Even something as simple as "Hello World" can be broken by some other piece of software misbehaving on the system.

 

 

 

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You sir, need to go find another forum to post on. Every time you post, you make yourself look like that much more of an idiot by spewing your opinion as a fact. You aren't getting yourself anywhere by posting some smartass remark like that thinking you won the argument because someone else replied. Display some true technical knowledge, prove you have a clue what you're talking about, because so far, you've done the exact opposite everywhere you go. You do nothing but plug the software you use as the end-all fix (Nod32, every time), you blame peices of software for problems that are obviously not (The dell branded IE error as spyware). The list goes on and on. Please, get the hell off the T&C forum.

[Nadril]

Actually, yes, I do think that a large company would have lazy and/or bad programmers working for them just to meet their stupid deadline, instead of hiring programmers who would prevent release until all the bugs are worked completely out. And why? Just because those large companies simply are greedy, money-grubbing, evil jerks! Further, it is a known fact that those programmers who work at MicroSoft/Apple/any-other-major-company are not the best, but they get hired simply because they'll do the job on time and not worry about the aftermath of code slip-ups.

 

 

 

Or, they could get good programmers that know that they don't have forever to perfect a code. In a perfect world products just simply can not be 100% bug free, which is difficult for a large company because Microsoft because theres so many others looking for holes in their software. (which, with how large windows is it isn't common to be able to find one).

 

 

 

Of course most people ignore the fact that with the proper software they can be well protected over windows anyways.

 

 

 

 

 

You're right, nobody is perfect. However, if the programmers would think, as well as the companies that hire them, and go over the code a few thousand times, it is possible to perfect the code they write, and smart programmers do just that. (Heck, smart programmers make sure not to make mistakes, and can correct their stuff in far less passes.) Yes, it would delay the release cycle and make it longer, but it would help quite a lot to prevent black-hat hackers ever having the chance to cause the kinds of problems we see today.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, are you a programmer? When you work at the magnitude of a project like microsoft does it is impossible to be able to 100% proof your code.

 

 

 

When you say smart programmers don't make mistake thats a load of bull. Even the best, most talented programmers in the world make mistakes -- they are called typos. If you would have had any experience in programming at all you would realize that a small typo can make a very large difference in code.

 

 

 

Likewise a good comparison would be writers. Even the biggest, most professional writers make typos in their books. Hell, open up any textbook and look through and you can probably find at least a few typos others have missed. They exist, and they effect programmers much more than writers.

 

 

 

 

 

No, blade995, it wouldn't matter who is on top in market share. If the OS has bugs, I'm upset at the company that wrote it. And BTW, I've seen crashed Macs. It ain't pretty. Sometimes all you can do is to pull the darn plug and wait an hour. However, that puts Apple at a worse disadvantage.

 

 

 

It does in a way mater who is at the top. The person at the top gets the most attention, and users will find errors in it sooner or later by sheer numbers. A lesser known software may have as many or more bugs but they aren't found.

 

 

 

 

 

I hate to say it, but since you've started an insult-fest, I've basically blasted you here. Seems you're the one with the flawed thinking, or you wouldn't have been sucked in by the "get-it-out-on-schedule-and-clean-up-after" mentality that businesses like Apple and MicroSoft have about a computer OS. You may have noticed, I haven't been sucked in, and am quite well not going to be. My thinking that things should be done right, and not rushed, is NOT flawed thinking.

 

 

 

 

No, you are not correct -- Stop with that mentality. You are the one with the flawed mentality, who thinks that it is so incredibly easy to get a 'skilled' programmer that does not make a single mistake. You're a fool.

 

 

 

 

 

That's the one thing I REALLY hate about Microsoft..they're abusing the average user, in a way. Yes, they do care about their operating systems. But, would they rather delay their latest OS and fix everything, or release it early, and make money off of new computers with their new OS installed?

 

 

 

If you're referencing vista here its not microsofts fault but other driver developers. The reason why Vista was such a headache was because drivers simply were not ready for that. And that is not microsofts job, but the actual hardware manufacturers.

 

 

 

Big businesses, no matter what, are after money. Microsoft, for one, isn't taking all of that extra time to fix bugs for one simple reason...money. Your average user believes that 'Hey, this is the latest and greatest..I better get it'. Whenever a bug happens, they pay tech support to fix it, or they buy a new computer. They won't switch OSes, because oftentimes, people are too scared to try something new. And yes, before I get flames, this is very, very true.

 

 

 

What else are they after other than money? I figured the fact that it is a buisness should be obvious.

 

 

 

You are correct that many non-tech savvy people probably will not be able to find what OS suits them the best. However most OS problems that happened seemed to be largly that which hurt the more advanced user, the only problem it may give an average user is if it had problems with printer drivers or likewise.

 

 

 

 

 

Apple also has these sorts of problems..but not so much. You don't hear about Macs crashing near as much because, from obsservations, Apple probably hires smarter, better, more dedicated programmers. Ever noticed how there are no Macs at places like Wal-Mart? It's because they want retailers who can help you with your Mac problems AT THE STORE. But even though they take extra measures like this, they still have errors.

 

 

 

Apple also doesn't have millions of script kiddies looking for holes in their OS each day. Saying that they simply hire smarter programmers to is flawed logic, the fact that you think that apple just simply hirers programmers as if they are set on 'tiers' or something is, well, flawed.

 

 

 

Nobody is perfect. It's almost impossible to release new software without having bugs or errors. But bugs and errors can easily be prevented..and can bring the dream of the 'Perfect Software' Even closer. So yeah...my basis behind all of the bugs and errors is Greed..the want for Money.

 

 

 

Again its not 'easy'. Its not as easy as pushing a button, or changing some text. Often times there may be an error you find but when you fix it it creates more problems. This (should) be obvious to some people but sadly it isn't. So many people these days think coding is easy to fix and can be done quickly. It can't, I'm sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

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Fail.

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, the reson Mac's don't crash as often is because:-

 

 

 

-Less complicated software for it

 

-It manages system rescorses differently so one program can't 'hog' all your CPU etc. (this does have it's advantages though).

 

-There is less open source software for it

 

-Macs has less features to go wrong

 

-They spend time filling in bugs rather than making new features

 

-Mac is a UNIX based system which is OLD and has had lot's of it's bugs filled in

 

 

 

 

I can't really comment on this because I don't use macs often (except when in school for graphic design) but based off of:

 

 

 

-They spend time filling in bugs rather than making new features

 

 

 

look at their new OS, Lepord, and tell me they didn't try adding a bunch of new features? I've also already seen a few security flaws others have found out through digg, so its not perfect.