Issues Regarding the Duel Arena Update

[DegenerateX]

The Duel Arena updated has taken away many of our liberties in dueling that we previously had. These include but are not limited to:

 

 

 

1. Deciding Amounts of Money to Stake

 

2. Deciding Rules of a Duel

 

3. Allow fair competition in Tournaments due to difference in [levels

 

 

 

First of all, since the amount that can be staked has been restricted to 3k per 15 minutes the profit that could be made from staking has been completely eliminated. Quite popular pures such as boxing pures, DDS pures, and Whip pures, will not use this method of dueling anymore due to 3k every 15 minutes not being worth their time, as there are countless other methods in the game to make more money. Other stakers such as Range and Ancient stakers now lose money from dueling even if they win all their duels. For example, many of the advanced stakers used dragonstone bolts which cost about 5k ea (if your lucky). Seeing as how most duels last at least 5 shots, you lose 25k while only gaining 22k.

 

 

 

I can understand that many of those people who donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t stake donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t view this as a bad thing. From their perspective stakers were exploiting unfair methods of making money faster than them. As ridiculous as I personally find this argument I will accept it for now. You say you are against people making ludicrous amounts of money staking, but with the newly updated system it is nearly impossible to even make a profit at all, even assuming you win every single duel. Is this still fair in your eyes, as many people who have come to base their income off of this mini-game are now crippled.

 

 

 

Now that we can accept the fact that the traditional dueling system doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t have much more to offer in terms of profitability, less us turn to the newly instead tournaments. My main concern with these is that I cannot define the rules I want to stake. People who have based their account on a particular style of staking may now have to wait up to an hour just too even find a tournament with the rules they want.

 

 

 

Now letÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s assume you find the tournament with the rules you want and your ready to go and have some fun and make some money. But wait, we cannot pick the amount to stake, we are subjected to JagexÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s system which randomly decides a price. Although not proven, the majority I have seen have stemmed near the lower prices ranging from 1k-9k. The previous argument still applies, as 1k-9k is not nearly enough to pay for the costs of even participating in a duel, and let me remind you again, thatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s if you always win.

 

 

 

LetÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s assume you get lucky, and you find the tournament with the rules that you want, and the amount of money you want to stake, you are now subject to if your within the range of the tournament rank. You cannot join the tournament if your rank is not within the range, so you cannot participate.

 

 

 

Maybe you do find a tournament that matches all your rules, amount you want to stake, and your within the tournament rank. Only one problem, no one else wants to join your tournament because they donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t like the rules. LetÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s assume 3 people join the tournament, the jackpot is now a gigantic 27k! Now even if you do win the money you might just barely be able to pull by a measly profit, if any.

 

 

 

Now letÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s say the stars are aligned perfectly, itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s your birthday, you were kissed by an angel, youÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re wearing your priceless good luck charm handed down in your family generation to generation, and you just happen to stumble on a tournament that meets all four qualifications.

 

 

 

1. It has the rules you want

 

2. It has the amount you want to stake

 

3. Your tournament rank is within the rank range.

 

4. Other people join the tournament

 

 

 

You can now finally participate in one tournament with all your qualifications (against all odds with a worse chance than getting a visage) and are now teleported into the duel arena.

 

You were very lucky that everyone else likes the same rules that you do and joined the tournament and that the jackpot is high enough for you to drool over the money. Your very confident about your level 90 range level at only 80 combat and feel you have a good chance of winning. The runescape window loads and you find the arrow drifting above a level 124. He kills you with ease due to his superior stats. You respawn in the duel arena and find yourself with (*insert $ staked*) less.

 

 

 

The fact of the matter is that the Tournament Ranking is a highly inefficient and exploitable system. The Tournament Rank does not evaluate a personÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s stats and thus is very unfair against lower leveled players and hereÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s why. Lower levels (for the sake of argument a level 50) may get lucky and win a few tournaments (whether it be to it only being 2 players and the opponent being very bad due to the ranking system, or just by luck). His rank has increased to a moderate amount and in his next tournament he is pitted against a 124 and dies without even having a chance. How is a system such as this fair?

 

 

 

You may argue that, the system will prove its worth over time when everyone has been in multiple duels and the Duel Rankings will even out to their ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅrightfulÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[GlowinRedM]

Alright, this is great. You understand the crap the update caused. Update to make things better? My [wagon]! Dueling used to be a main source of income for some people, and an occasional profit from boredom for people like me. Being stuck with 5k as a limit to staking isn't worth anyone's time, and when the Exchange comes and is used to base the worth of items, rare staking will be gone. Hell, even Dragon Longsword staking will be gone. I really doubt the prices of anything like that will go down to a mere 5k so that people can stake them. I would just buy them all out. Good post, love it, you explained it and it makes total sense. Any third grader could understand this, but because of that, most of the RS community won't get it.

 

 

 

=D>

[Theoknight2]

This is unfair, but most of jagex is asleep right now so they can't do anything about it.

[Star_Fox]

Reserved for first post :)

 

 

 

honestly, at least make the post legitimate before anyone would have to scroll it down to read it.

 

 

 

it wouldnt hurt to collapse this into the original thread. :?

[DegenerateX]

I wanted it to recieve more of an audience than being on a thread where the 7th page will only be viewed for 5 minutes before someone never reading it again, and I honestly feel that my argument has a little bit more weight to it than

 

 

 

"omg Jagex totaly ruined staking"

 

 

 

"I hope Jagex dies in a fire, I'm quitting membership to protest"

 

 

 

I'm sure some of you smartasses are going to criticize me on my statement regarding my post as being worth more than others, so just shut it, mock me silently, and move on.

[Screechingmu]

Yeah I agree that it is pretty rediculous the way they organized (or didn't really organize) the different tournaments. People should be able to organize their own specific matches with their own amount of stake and rules.

 

 

 

The only way to actually get a higher amount of money is to get a higher ranking (You might notice that when the higher dueling people are open there is always a higher stake). But Jagex sure has been succesful in their goal of eliminating staking as a money maker.

 

 

 

The amount of bugs, faults, and rants surronded around this supposedly hyped up and impressive update that was promised in the BTS makes me wonder what the Grand Exchange will be like.

[homer205]

Very well written, I suggest that if you haven't already then post this on the thread for it on the official forums, it perfectly details what needs to be done.

 

For something this anticipated and asked for it's amazing how badly it was messed up. Why not just track unbalanced stakes like they do trades, are we going to be limited to trading in amounts of 3k next? I didn't even know that people would bother using this as a way to transfer cash; and jagex has just told anybody else who didn't know.

[Gooru]

I agree.

 

 

 

:wall:

 

 

 

Just came here cause there was talk of it on Ventrilo, hah.

[DegenerateX]

Very well written, I suggest that if you haven't already then post this on the thread for it on the official forums, it perfectly details what needs to be done.

 

For something this anticipated and asked for it's amazing how badly it was messed up. Why not just track unbalanced stakes like they do trades, are we going to be limited to trading in amounts of 3k next? I didn't even know that people would bother using this as a way to transfer cash; and jagex has just told anybody else who didn't know.

 

 

 

I wanted too but upon going there I read that they wanted all posts pertaining to the Duel Arena Update organized into the sticky so I posted it on page 1,417 and it was probably read by 3 people and will never be read again, seeing as it's on page 1426 now.

[homer205]

Ok then, it's on page 304, I guess jagex has taken out the spamming and swearing arroused from this update.

[DegenerateX]

I'm actualy quite surprised that Mod Craddock has been reading that post and responding to it for the past 3 hours.

 

 

 

He actualy said my name \ I feel honored :