You are blowing this out of proportion and comparing it to ridiculous stuff again. The only way to prove your point is to prove something else, abandoning your point entirely. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The adults aren't abusing the children, and they're not teaching them it's okay! The purpose is teach them it's NOT okay. God damn, you're stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, your going off in the totally wrong direction, we don't teach our kids about murder by murdering one of them and recording how sad all the others are. We don't teach them about drugs by giving them to them,

 

 

 

So why the hell are you suggesting that we teach them about unreasonable discrimination by applying it?!

 

Higothrekk, are you serious?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My mom went through a similar experience in grade school. She didn't enjoy it, because in her case it was people with blond hair or blue eyes that got made to stand out in the hall for a while. She was a goody-two shoes who never did anything wrong, but because of her hair and eyes (she had both blond and blue) she got punished. She approved of it eventually, even if she didn't enjoy it at the time. She thinks she learned from it, anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So basically, yes, I think my parents would be just fine if this test were put on me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, do you really think that the 'abuse' that you object to so much is really going to illegal program a kid for life? I experienced worse than that, and I'm mostly normal. Quite frankly, a kid who can't handle that kind of abuse is already in deep carp just because of regular growing-up unhappiness. This extra abuse that the teacher gave them is peanuts compared to, say, trying to find someone to talk to in a big cafeteria when your best friend is absent :shock:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And in fact, the entire idea of the exercise was to abuse the kids a little. Not too much, nothing extreme, nothing permanent, but instead just enough to make them know how it feels to be abused. Then they will know what it feels like to be abused (specifically, discriminated against), they will be more sympathetic to victims of racism, and consequently they will not be racists themselves.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is a harmless way of making kids sympathetic towards the feelings of others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Taking a test is a pain in the rear too. Do you say that that is abuse too and refuse to take the test? No. It is unpleasant, but it is how you learn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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......aaaaannnnd a little more on-topic, I didn't click the link, but from what you've said, I saw the video as a freshman in high school. It really is one of the best tools of teaching kids about racism I have ever encountered, and I've been subjected to a lot of useless drivel about caring and respect. People really should watch it if they can find the time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The most amazing to me is the kid who got in a fight.

 

 

 

Teacher: Billy, why did you hit Tommy?

 

 

 

Billy: He called me blue-eyed!

 

 

 

...and Billy really has blue eyes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Although that bit about test results reflecting whoever the teacher told them was superior at the time was pretty incredible too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You've had worse? your teacher while you were young told you were inferior to your classmates and punished you for it, and allowed your classmates to do the same while she/he observed?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is about seeing adults treating children like this as acceptable, if this is acceptable, maybe locking them in rooms for just a couple of days to see what happens is acceptable, maybe injecting them with just a 'little' of this drug is acceptable, maybe whipping them just a 'tiny' bit is acceptable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once you decide somthing is acceptable, people will again start to push their limits, it's the way their minds work.

Oh my god you really don't get it do you. THE WHOLE POINT of it is to make the children know what it is like to feel inferior and discriminated against, do not judge a man untill you have walked a day in his boots. The whole point is that they see adults making racist comments, verbally abusing coloured people and being innocent children follow in their footsteps. The whole point of the exercise is to show the children what it is like to be discriminated against, what it is like for people to pass judgement on you before you have even said a word based on the colour of your skin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The whole point of the exercise is so the children know what it feels like so they won't want others to feel that way.

Because murder and drugs actualy hurt them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You push a bird out of its nest to teach it to fly.

 

 

 

You might use lying to a child in a controlled environment to teach a child that lying is not okay, because it make speople feel bad. You can teach a child by example any of a thousand ways for any of a million reasons.

 

 

 

You cannot compare things like injecting a child with drugs, or murdering a child to showing the child firsthand what racism is like for a day. You're just coming up with crap that is fully unrealistic and nowhere near similar to try and support your idiotic beliefs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd rather show a million kids by example and make them feel badly for one day, than allow them to go out into the world and many of them turn into racists and make anyone who isn't their color feel badly their whole lives.

Their children, To extend your analogy, surely they can't walk in a mans boots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is not some obscure issue that needs demonstrations, it can surely be explained with logic, as all other subjects are at schools.

Their children, To extend your analogy, surely they can't walk in a mans boots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is not some obscure issue that needs demonstrations, it can surely be explained with logic, as all other subjects are at schools.

Children learn 10x more in their first 10 years of life than in the rest of it put together, they will become the adult they were raised like as a child. Telling kids not to do it doesn't work. You're just working in a perfect situation, but in your way there would be no racism already. Telling someone it hurts others feelings is no where near as effective as showing them how badly it hurts.

 

Their children, To extend your analogy, surely they can't walk in a mans boots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is not some obscure issue that needs demonstrations, it can surely be explained with logic, as all other subjects are at schools.

Children learn 10x more in their first 10 years of life than in the rest of it put together, they will become the adult they were raised like as a child. Telling kids not to do it doesn't work. You're just working in a perfect situation, but in your way there would be no racism already. Telling someone it hurts others feelings is no where near as effective as showing them how badly it hurts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you accept that children are '10x' as impressionable, surely they are also much easier to hurt mentally as well, why should we subject them to such a slapdash experiment by this woman, who by the way now exploits money from copycats at seminars and workshops.

 

 

Their children, To extend your analogy, surely they can't walk in a mans boots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is not some obscure issue that needs demonstrations, it can surely be explained with logic, as all other subjects are at schools.

Children learn 10x more in their first 10 years of life than in the rest of it put together, they will become the adult they were raised like as a child. Telling kids not to do it doesn't work. You're just working in a perfect situation, but in your way there would be no racism already. Telling someone it hurts others feelings is no where near as effective as showing them how badly it hurts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you accept that children are '10x' as impressionable, surely they are also much easier to hurt mentally as well, why should we subject them to such a slapdash experiment by this woman, who by the way now exploits money from copycats at seminars and workshops.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, ends *don't* justify means cjlh. Just because they learned a good lesson doesn't justify the way they learned it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I could "teach" you that murder was wrong by murdering your sibling, but even though you "learned" a lesson, doesn't make it right! (this is a far fetched example, but it's a parellel)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, whether or not these children were permanently affected by this is completely unproveable so please keep the unbased assumptions to yourself higothrekk.

 

 

 

Their children, To extend your analogy, surely they can't walk in a mans boots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is not some obscure issue that needs demonstrations, it can surely be explained with logic, as all other subjects are at schools.

Children learn 10x more in their first 10 years of life than in the rest of it put together, they will become the adult they were raised like as a child. Telling kids not to do it doesn't work. You're just working in a perfect situation, but in your way there would be no racism already. Telling someone it hurts others feelings is no where near as effective as showing them how badly it hurts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you accept that children are '10x' as impressionable, surely they are also much easier to hurt mentally as well, why should we subject them to such a slapdash experiment by this woman, who by the way now exploits money from copycats at seminars and workshops.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, ends *don't* justify means cjlh. Just because they learned a good lesson doesn't justify the way they learned it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I could "teach" you that murder was wrong by murdering your sibling, but even though you "learned" a lesson, doesn't make it right! (this is a far fetched example, but it's a parellel)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, whether or not these children were permanently affected by this is completely unproveable so please keep the unbased assumptions to yourself higothrekk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about their unbased assumption that the children benefited from this in any way other than being degraded?

I both agree, and disagree, so I'll leave that last one alone. :P

 

 

 

I think ends can justify means thouh. If you have to kill 10 people to save a hundred, so be it. to do otherwise, is simply not logical .

 

 

 

 

Their children, To extend your analogy, surely they can't walk in a mans boots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is not some obscure issue that needs demonstrations, it can surely be explained with logic, as all other subjects are at schools.

Children learn 10x more in their first 10 years of life than in the rest of it put together, they will become the adult they were raised like as a child. Telling kids not to do it doesn't work. You're just working in a perfect situation, but in your way there would be no racism already. Telling someone it hurts others feelings is no where near as effective as showing them how badly it hurts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you accept that children are '10x' as impressionable, surely they are also much easier to hurt mentally as well, why should we subject them to such a slapdash experiment by this woman, who by the way now exploits money from copycats at seminars and workshops.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, ends *don't* justify means cjlh. Just because they learned a good lesson doesn't justify the way they learned it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I could "teach" you that murder was wrong by murdering your sibling, but even though you "learned" a lesson, doesn't make it right! (this is a far fetched example, but it's a parellel)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, whether or not these children were permanently affected by this is completely unproveable so please keep the unbased assumptions to yourself higothrekk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about their unbased assumption that the children benefited from this in any way other than being degraded?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that's not unbased. You can see them talking in the video, you idiot. It positively effected them throughout their whole lives many years later.

 

 

 

 

 

Their children, To extend your analogy, surely they can't walk in a mans boots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is not some obscure issue that needs demonstrations, it can surely be explained with logic, as all other subjects are at schools.

Children learn 10x more in their first 10 years of life than in the rest of it put together, they will become the adult they were raised like as a child. Telling kids not to do it doesn't work. You're just working in a perfect situation, but in your way there would be no racism already. Telling someone it hurts others feelings is no where near as effective as showing them how badly it hurts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you accept that children are '10x' as impressionable, surely they are also much easier to hurt mentally as well, why should we subject them to such a slapdash experiment by this woman, who by the way now exploits money from copycats at seminars and workshops.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, ends *don't* justify means cjlh. Just because they learned a good lesson doesn't justify the way they learned it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I could "teach" you that murder was wrong by murdering your sibling, but even though you "learned" a lesson, doesn't make it right! (this is a far fetched example, but it's a parellel)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, whether or not these children were permanently affected by this is completely unproveable so please keep the unbased assumptions to yourself higothrekk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about their unbased assumption that the children benefited from this in any way other than being degraded?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that's not unbased. You can see them talking in the video, you idiot. It positively effected them throughout their whole lives many years later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

positively effected them, how could it possibly effect them in any definable way? There is no way to judge what this would of done to them, there are millions of people who go through life without worry about if someone has brown eyes or blue :roll: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fact that it was a successful experiment could easily have been drilled into their head by their profiteering teacher.

profiteering my but. there's no way she would have known that would make any money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for how the result is difinitive... THEY TALK ABOUT IT ON THE VIDEO, YOU NIT.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're wrong, you're just too stupid to see it.

You have subtlely insulted me in no less than 7 posts now by calling me an 'Idiot' or 'Stupid'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Name calling is not a debate method, this debate is over.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And unlike you I will not be back as soon as I think anyone is on my side and see a good chance to posture absurdly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Feel free to PM me if you wish to continue this debate at some point, perhaps when the presence of people actually listening to your opinion isn't making you light headed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

GoodNight

I wasn't aware the comparison between teaching a child, and killing one was a debate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And that IS stupid.

This is really stupid. If you look at the video, this is showing that it works. so stop saying it dosent and wont. Lets take another methode of showing someon that something is wrong, and we use it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In school when we are taught about sex and that kind of stuff, we are tought tis a good idea not to have it, and guess how they teach us. By scaring us, yes and scaring us could have lasting effects. But it dosent. They scare us into thinking if we have sex, we gonna get STD's the first time, and gonna impregnate girls. Obviously anyone smart enough would know this is not true, and this if one is careful enough, it wont matter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And also look at the way they teach fire provention these days. they show us videos about how fires can kill and burn our houses down. Does this make us mentaly hurt, no.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This a very good way, and when i become a teacher, i will see about using it.

Higothrekk, sorry to say it but you're a joke. If you think it doesn't work, why don't you actually watch the videos? It clearly shows the same students years later telling us how much of an impact it had on their life and how it made them into more tolerable persons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it works, why not do it? Why do you think people shifted from axes and swords to guns? It's more effective and it has more power. You are not making a point, you're unconsciously trying to tell "it's a bad method... We could just tell the kids how bad it is" while thinking it's actually ok that the children develop a sense of carelessness, that they grow up to hate people of other race or other skin color (or extremely of other eye color).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Just telling the kids" DOES NOT WORK. If it did, racism would've ended decades ago. They need a concrete example.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let me tell you a story:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One day, a father and his little boy were sitting by a pond and fishing. The father had a very succesful life and he owned everything he dreamed of and he was rich. The boy looked up at his father and said "Dad, how did you get to be so succesful in life? What should I do to become like you? Suddenly, the father grabbed the boy and sank his head under the water. He continued to hold him there as the boy prayed for air. As the boy thought his life was over and started to take a breath while still submerged in the water, his father quickly pulled him up to fresh air and the boy took a sharp, deep breath. The father then looked at the boy and said to him "When you want success as bad as you wanted that breath of air you just got, it will come naturally".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't necessarily do that to my son, but don't you think this has at least a hundredfold power telling the child how to get ambition rather than just telling him "there are many ways to go about it"? Don't you think this children would be much much more ambitious later in his life than other people his age that were never given enough reason or a concrete example for motivation and ambition?

Hij-whatever, you have absoultly NO idea what your talking about. Have you even WATCHED the video?

Children learn 10x more in their first 10 years of life than in the rest of it put together, they will become the adult they were raised like as a child. Telling kids not to do it doesn't work. You're just working in a perfect situation, but in your way there would be no racism already. Telling someone it hurts others feelings is no where near as effective as showing them how badly it hurts.

 

 

 

^^Well said.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

maybe injecting them with just a 'little' of this drug is acceptable

 

 

 

Maybe injecting someone with just a 'little' bit of smallpox will immunize them for the rest of their life :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once you decide somthing is acceptable, people will again start to push their limits, it's the way their minds work.

 

 

 

Maybe in terms of punishment, people will get carried away. A teacher, though? I can't imagine she enjoyed watchin those kids get upset, it's not like she's secretly hungry for their pain. She just wants to teach, and once the lesson is taught she's not going to push for more. That is not the way people's minds work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

positively effected them, how could it possibly effect them in any definable way? There is no way to judge what this would of done to them, there are millions of people who go through life without worry about if someone has brown eyes or blue .

 

 

 

And there are millions of people who go through life who do have to worry if their skin is dark or light. The point is that it doesn't matter skin color, just like it doesn't matter eye or hair color. Once the kids understand that, that's a positive effect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also Higo, I'm still waiting to see what you have to say about an long test. According to your argument: if you care for your kid, you shouldn't force him to take such a horrible piece of abuse. Just because he will learn valuable life skills doesn't justify the fact that he is suffering needlessly (and those life skills aren't necessarily proven anyway).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By your argument, my end-of the-year exams were a crime against humanity and family values.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Lordhathor, insulting Higo was a little uncalled for, no matter how strongly you believe it to be true. I was kind of enjoying the argument, and you drove him away! :lol:

maybe injecting them with just a 'little' of this drug is acceptable

 

 

 

Maybe injecting someone with just a 'little' bit of smallpox will immunize them for the rest of their life :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AMAZINGLY well put! (That's the example I was looking for to prove that it could be a good thing, but couldn't find within my mind. :P)