99 Herblore and Crafting! ^.^ Any help... helps.

[asianboy7o7]

Can anyone explain to me a little better about doing battle staves? or maybe point me in the direction of a guide that will explain in full detail.

 

 

 

I know pretty much NOTHING about it so I need any and all minor details. Would getting Varrock armor 3 be worth it as well if I were to go this route?

 

 

 

varrock 3 is worth it unless your going to need the smithing requirement but 64 compared to 32 is a lot

[ultimatballr]

Can anyone explain to me a little better about doing battle staves? or maybe point me in the direction of a guide that will explain in full detail.

 

 

 

I know pretty much NOTHING about it so I need any and all minor details. Would getting Varrock armor 3 be worth it as well if I were to go this route?

 

 

 

varrock 3 is worth it unless your going to need the smithing requirement but 64 compared to 32 is a lot

 

 

 

I am pretty sure I have all the requirements except 67 crafting which is needed to make the air battle staff. I could do that rather quickly though with a couple hundred green d'hide bodies(718 to be exact). I don't mind as from what I hear there is profit to be made with battle staffs.

[bedman]

Can anyone explain to me a little better about doing battle staves? or maybe point me in the direction of a guide that will explain in full detail.

 

 

 

I know pretty much NOTHING about it so I need any and all minor details. Would getting Varrock armor 3 be worth it as well if I were to go this route?

 

 

 

varrock 3 is worth it unless your going to need the smithing requirement but 64 compared to 32 is a lot

 

 

 

I am pretty sure I have all the requirements except 67 crafting which is needed to make the air battle staff. I could do that rather quickly though with a couple hundred green d'hide bodies(718 to be exact). I don't mind as from what I hear there is profit to be made with battle staffs.

 

 

 

There is no profit in battlestaves. There is only profit in buying those staves from zaff. The actual crafting nets you a loss at current prices. There were times, when water orbs were 660 each, you could make proits, pretty huge profits, tbh. With most orbs at 1k each, you dont even break even with the actual crafting.

[Kietaro1]

:Approaches soapbox:

 

 

 

Why on earth would you pour 60m into a skill with no hope of a return on profit. Now I understand that you have said that you want an expensive skill cape but you do not want to do the work that would make them cheaper. This tells me that you are more than likely a combat player and may miss an important aspect of this game.

 

 

 

You can look my stats up on the highscores and you will see that I have 2 99s; cooking and fletching, two skills that people normally pay millions to get (ignore firemaking as I just wanted the adze). With both of these skills however I was able to make money and level them very quickly. In other words if you do it right you can end up making money going for these goals.

 

 

 

Looking at my stats would also show that I have a rather impressive crafting level if I do say so myself. I have never spent a dime on it however. Instead i have made around 5m while leveling the skill. And truthfully it does not take as much money as you may think, though it does take time. I am aware that you have sworn off certain things but just bare with me for a little to hopefully show you there are more efficent ways than throwing your money away.

 

 

 

First, use your kingdom. If you are not doing so you have made a huge mistake. Considering that you have so much money 2 or 3m should not be missed on a day to day basis. Invest it for a 100%+ return on what is invested. Heck since you are going for herblore, invest 10 workers on fish and 5 on herbs and you will MAKE A SMALL PROFIT while leveling herblore. Even if it is minute you are doing NOTHING to get this bonus. I take a trip to the island once a day using the fairy rings east of edgeville (C I P) and it takes me less than 3 minutes to mine the one coal rock needed to keep my favor up and just think about how many times we go by edgeville a day.

 

 

 

Second, buy battlestaves. Ok so you do not want to actually make the battlestaves, that is not the most intelligent thing but since you do not want to do them, buy them and sell them for profit.

 

 

 

Battlestaves from Zaff = 7000 gold

 

GE Prices for Battlestaves = around 8200

 

Profit 1200 gold each * 64 a day is 76800 profit a day for 3 minutes of work. Know any other method of money making that is 76k for 3 minutes?

 

 

 

In other words just buy them. It takes little time, Varrock teleport leads you right there and the profit is nice even if you can only do it once a day. Don't craft them if you do not want to but you are missing out on some insane experience.

 

 

 

Thirdly, I can do a herb run in 7 mintues, hitting ALL the patches (Catherby, Falador southeast farm, Ardy, Trollhiem, and Port Phastmays). This can be done every 75 ish minutes. I understand that you do not care about farming your own herbs BUT what is 7 minutes a day doing one run? Just super compost them and leave them for the next day (or sooner once you see the benefit of farming, I used to hate it :P ).

 

 

 

Fourthly, NPC trading. Ahrein in Catherby sells pineapples and seaweed for 2 gold each. Buy them both, make supercompost and unpowered orbs. Supercompost is self explanatory. For the unpowered orbs though, buy the seaweed then visit Bert for yout buckets of sand. Gather these everyday and then on the weekend visit Lunar Isle and Superglass make. The molten glass that you get will be able to be used for some really good crafting experience and again takes about 5 minutes to collect and about 20 minutes to make the glass and the orbs on the weekend.

 

 

 

Again I know that none of this is appealing to you as you probably just like going out to a certain monster and standing there collecting combat experience and potentially some drops. However I do everything I just mentioned everyday and do so in about 20 minutes everyday. Judging by your stats and your desire for a 99 I assume that 20 minutes is nothing to you.

 

 

 

Now in truth I do expand the above slightly and it takes me aroud 40 minutes but I am sure that the revised method would be around 20 minutes if not less.

 

 

 

Method for you:

 

Start at Zaff: Buy the battlestaves (all that you can wearing highest Varrock Armor)

 

Teleport to Catherby: Buy Pineapples and seaweed

 

Harvest/plant the herbs at herb patch north of Catherby bank. Take 15 pineapples that you just bought and make supercompost

 

Return to bank and take out 3 herb seeds, teleport to house, the ectovial, and explorer's ring

 

Use Explorer's Ring to teleport to falador farming patch; harvest/plant the herbs.

 

Teleport using the ectovial; harvest/plant the herbs.

 

Teleport to your house (located in yanille), collect sand from Bert.

 

Use Ardy portal in your house; bank in ardy; and harvest/plant the herbs north of the city.

 

Home teleport and use the bank in lumbridge to get to Trollhiem and harvest/plant the herb patch there.

 

 

 

-And- sometime during your time go mine a coal rock on Misc.

 

 

 

Takes literally no time and has huge benefits. The rest of your time can be spent wasting your money leveling faster but these methods will at least bring you some profit while you waste the rest. In other words stretch that 55m to around 65-70 by profiting from your daily actions. It is over time but honestly why not?

[ultimatballr]

Kietaro1:

 

 

 

While I find your post to be the most well thought out and suggested on this thread there are some minor misconceptions you have about me, that were probably my fault from what I have posted.

 

 

 

Firstly, let me say, I already do MTK and Herb farming. Well more recently I put it to a halt for time constriction reasons and the fact that I cannot get on everyday anymore due to work, school, females, friends and/or other things in life that may occur. I will start up eventually when I get more stable in my schedule.

 

 

 

I am willing to take the time to get the 99's. I do like using the most efficient methods meaning the best gp/exp but I am also willing to take time. Hence why I got 99 (well 98) woodcutting on willows instead of teaks (not the greatest example but there is still a 30k+ difference in exp/hour.) With fletching I also took my time and did the classic yew longbow method (before string x and it netted me a pretty 16m)

 

 

 

I do like efficiency but I am willing to take the long way when training. Like getting 99 defence at firegiants or 94 range there at rates of 23k range exp/hour. Instead of chinning or using Yaks.

 

 

 

That's why on top of the fastest, most expensive I also asked for the cheapest, but longest way. I like to weigh the ups and downs then decide for myself.

 

 

 

Now as someone told me making battlestaves actually loses me money. I am willing to do it once I figure out what the ups and downs are.. What is the exp/hour that way (or should I say exp/64 staffs) how much loss is it? I am willing to put in the time if I have the numbers. Which is why I asked people to go in to specific detail on each thing they suggested.

[bedman]

@ballr: b staves loose you money (the actual crafting) but WAY LESS than dhide crafting.

 

 

 

@kietaro: May is ask you which smart ways you used to lvl cooking and fletching? From what you said, I understood that you lvled it like everyone else, but you used OTHER stuff to reduce the costs. That's not smart fletching/cooking, that's doing other things smartly. Dont think you are firemaking for free if you got the maples from your kingdom. You are loosing a lot of profit cause you didnt put money on fish. Same goes for putting your workers on herbs.

 

 

 

It's been proven fish and flax is the best. So if you cooked by cooking the swordfishes from your kingdom and made profit, that's not cause of the cooking, that's cause of the kingdom. You are loosing just as much as someone who buys his swordies off the GE.

 

 

 

On the other hand, the things you advice are a very good thing to do. I do most of them too.

[compfreak847]

Ruby bracelets for crafting, 70k XP w\ 180k loss per hour = 3 GP\XP = less then 40m for 99.

[Kietaro1]

@ballr: b staves loose you money (the actual crafting) but WAY LESS than dhide crafting.

 

 

 

@kietaro: May is ask you which smart ways you used to lvl cooking and fletching? From what you said, I understood that you lvled it like everyone else, but you used OTHER stuff to reduce the costs. That's not smart fletching/cooking, that's doing other things smartly. Dont think you are firemaking for free if you got the maples from your kingdom. You are loosing a lot of profit cause you didnt put money on fish. Same goes for putting your workers on herbs.

 

 

 

It's been proven fish and flax is the best. So if you cooked by cooking the swordfishes from your kingdom and made profit, that's not cause of the cooking, that's cause of the kingdom. You are loosing just as much as someone who buys his swordies off the GE.

 

 

 

On the other hand, the things you advice are a very good thing to do. I do most of them too.

 

 

 

Fletching was long ago when a profit was pretty standard. I went from around 3-4m to about 12 leveling my fletching. I did my bow making in Camelot on a busy trade world and waited for the right price for my logs and my strings. When I had enough logs I went to world 172 I believe for the unofficial guild and waited for the right person to offer me top dollar for my bows. I was in no hurry so was able to wait the higher prices out. Profit was quite nice.

 

 

 

As to cooking you are correct, I did use my kingdom for the fish. And the profit I guess you could attribute to the kingdom. However where as most players would pay quite a bit of gold for lobbies and monks, I was paying 57 for tuna and 190 for my swordies, both of which sold for nearly double what I paid for them in the kingdom. In other words instead of spending the 6m or so for the 99 I was able to cook my way to 99 for free while my kingdom was providing me with the fish and the profit. I make it easier by saying I made money while cooking ;P If that makes sense.

 

 

 

Firemaking...yeah it was a money loss but that adze is amazing for farming so worth it. Also I got my maples from the kingdom which resulted in tree seeds as well as profit from the fish so I probably either broke even or made a small profit plus farming exp. Man I love trees. But what you are failing to realize here is that profit does not matter, what matters to me is skilling with no loss. Sure my potential to earn money could have been higher if I had invested in other things BUT I did not lose any cash. Heck if I could do something and make 1 gold for the effort I would do it. What is important is that I do not lose anything, not whether I made the maximum potential for the alloted time. This is a game, not a job.

 

 

 

And battlestaves:

 

Zaff sells them for 7k each.

 

Air orb costs around 1000 but we will round to 1100 for sake of argument. (993 medium atm)

 

Nature Rune 250 (223 medium currently)

 

 

 

 

 

Air Battlestave alchs for 9300.

 

9300

 

-7k (staff)

 

-1100 (air orb)

 

-250 (nature)

 

-------------

 

950 profit per staff

 

 

 

And that is IF you do not make your own orbs (which I do, killer mage and crafting exp ftw)

 

 

 

Where do you get a loss on battlestaves?????? I mean I even high balled everything and still came to a profit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And lastly, Ruby bracelets are as tedious to make as canonballs. Not worth my time ;P

[compfreak847]

@ballr: b staves loose you money (the actual crafting) but WAY LESS than dhide crafting.

 

 

 

@kietaro: May is ask you which smart ways you used to lvl cooking and fletching? From what you said, I understood that you lvled it like everyone else, but you used OTHER stuff to reduce the costs. That's not smart fletching/cooking, that's doing other things smartly. Dont think you are firemaking for free if you got the maples from your kingdom. You are loosing a lot of profit cause you didnt put money on fish. Same goes for putting your workers on herbs.

 

 

 

It's been proven fish and flax is the best. So if you cooked by cooking the swordfishes from your kingdom and made profit, that's not cause of the cooking, that's cause of the kingdom. You are loosing just as much as someone who buys his swordies off the GE.

 

 

 

On the other hand, the things you advice are a very good thing to do. I do most of them too.

 

 

 

Fletching was long ago when a profit was pretty standard. I went from around 3-4m to about 12 leveling my fletching. I did my bow making in Camelot on a busy trade world and waited for the right price for my logs and my strings. When I had enough logs I went to world 172 I believe for the unofficial guild and waited for the right person to offer me top dollar for my bows. I was in no hurry so was able to wait the higher prices out. Profit was quite nice.

 

 

 

As to cooking you are correct, I did use my kingdom for the fish. And the profit I guess you could attribute to the kingdom. However where as most players would pay quite a bit of gold for lobbies and monks, I was paying 57 for tuna and 190 for my swordies, both of which sold for nearly double what I paid for them in the kingdom. In other words instead of spending the 6m or so for the 99 I was able to cook my way to 99 for free while my kingdom was providing me with the fish and the profit. I make it easier by saying I made money while cooking ;P If that makes sense.

 

 

 

Firemaking...yeah it was a money loss but that adze is amazing for farming so worth it. Also I got my maples from the kingdom which resulted in tree seeds as well as profit from the fish so I probably either broke even or made a small profit plus farming exp. Man I love trees. But what you are failing to realize here is that profit does not matter, what matters to me is skilling with no loss. Sure my potential to earn money could have been higher if I had invested in other things BUT I did not lose any cash. Heck if I could do something and make 1 gold for the effort I would do it. What is important is that I do not lose anything, not whether I made the maximum potential for the alloted time. This is a game, not a job.

 

 

 

And battlestaves:

 

Zaff sells them for 7k each.

 

Air orb costs around 1000 but we will round to 1100 for sake of argument. (993 medium atm)

 

Nature Rune 250 (223 medium currently)

 

 

 

 

 

Air Battlestave alchs for 9300.

 

9300

 

-7k (staff)

 

-1100 (air orb)

 

-250 (nature)

 

-------------

 

950 profit per staff

 

 

 

And that is IF you do not make your own orbs (which I do, killer mage and crafting exp ftw)

 

 

 

Where do you get a loss on battlestaves?????? I mean I even high balled everything and still came to a profit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And lastly, Ruby bracelets are as tedious to make as canonballs. Not worth my time ;P

 

You can sell those exact same battlestaffs in the GE for 8.4k. They are worth 8.4k, NOT 7k. Just because you can get addy bars from avansies for ~50 gp in ammo does NOT mean the bars are worth 50 gp.

[Kietaro1]

While that is absolutely correct, what benefit does selling the staves to the GE accomplish towards this players goal of crafting? He wants the 99, not the profit. Heck he is even willing to spend 60m for it.

 

 

 

And to further explain, I am a skiller. Sure I have decent combats but skilling is what I enjoy. Sure I could sell my water orb drops from waterfiends for a profit OR I could craft them into my staves for crafting experinece. For me the experience with ALWAYS be worth more than the gold.

 

 

 

As to your analogy of addy bars, collecting the bars gets you ranged exp. Selling them leaves the exp there. Smithing them gives you smithing exp. Alching them gives you a profit larger than the 50 gold one may have spent on ammo. Even with a dagger you would make a profit alching the addy. Again you COULD have sold the bar for 2k but you would miss out on the extra smithing and mage experience. I hope that I am making sense as I am sure that most players play by your standards and not mine but what I am trying to say is that you guys that worry about how much profit you can make cheapen the game.

[Kietaro1]

You can sell those exact same battlestaffs in the GE for 8.4k. They are worth 8.4k, NOT 7k. Just because you can get addy bars from avansies for ~50 gp in ammo does NOT mean the bars are worth 50 gp.

 

 

 

Also that is only a profit of 1.4k a mere 450 more than actually crafting and alching the battlestaff. I think anyone that sells them that does not have 99 crafting is a moron. Crafting is an expensive skill and any experience that is free much less MAKES a profit is well worth it.

[bedman]

While that is absolutely correct, what benefit does selling the staves to the GE accomplish towards this players goal of crafting? He wants the 99, not the profit. Heck he is even willing to spend 60m for it.

 

 

 

And to further explain, I am a skiller. Sure I have decent combats but skilling is what I enjoy. Sure I could sell my water orb drops from waterfiends for a profit OR I could craft them into my staves for crafting experinece. For me the experience with ALWAYS be worth more than the gold.

 

 

 

As to your analogy of addy bars, collecting the bars gets you ranged exp. Selling them leaves the exp there. Smithing them gives you smithing exp. Alching them gives you a profit larger than the 50 gold one may have spent on ammo. Even with a dagger you would make a profit alching the addy. Again you COULD have sold the bar for 2k but you would miss out on the extra smithing and mage experience. I hope that I am making sense as I am sure that most players play by your standards and not mine but what I am trying to say is that you guys that worry about how much profit you can make cheapen the game.

 

 

 

You are absolutly right, you get no benefit from selling the staves to the GE, but money, and since for you skills > money, you should craft them.

 

 

 

HOWEVER, dont go around, claiming you make proft crafting battle staves cause YOU DONT! I repeat, without caps, you dont. Like compfreak has said, battle staves are worth 8400 each. So by adding orbs to the staves, and not selling them, you are essentially devaluating your battles staves (from 8400 + 1000 to 9100). On the other hand, this is much better gp loss / xp than d hides, so it is the best way to craft IMO.

 

 

 

About the cooking: as I expected: You still lost cash cooking like everyone else... (though, I think the loss of raw swordfish to cooked swordfish / xp is better than that of lobbies, and especially for tuna, so you didnt loose as much as the lobby cookers). However, to make it easier for yourself, you managed your kingdom in the mean time, which yielded you a bigger profit than you lost by cooking, so it nets you profit, which makes you (and me too) happy. Just dont forget where the actual profit comes from, yes, thats your kingdom, not the converting of raw to cooked.

 

 

 

While I dont have any serious problems with that, I DO have problems with people who claim they "farm trees for free". They go like this: "I get my seeds from my kingdom, I burn the maples which is good fm xp, and the seeds are free".

 

 

 

Let's look at it, shall we

 

 

 

1) It has been proven (with seeds and nests taking into account) that fish and flax are the best ways to invest your money. (when maples were 100 each, maples were better of course, so yes, this depends on GE prices). By choosing maples, you are loosing money. (Ie: you keep more money if you put your workers on flax and fish, sell the flax and fish, and buy the seeds you want).

 

 

 

2) You didnt get those maples for free either. Heck, you even paid 56 each, while you can get them for 37 each on the GE. Thus, not taking seeds into calculation, you are even making a loss.

 

 

 

3) You didnt get your farming xp for free. First of all, you lost potential money by choosing maples (see nr 1), secondly, by using those seeds, you lost money too (you could have sold them).

 

 

 

Conclusion: With tree farming, you are NEVER farming for free. You are paying right what the GE price is. You pay even more if you decide to get the seeds yourself through your kingdom! (ironically, huh).

 

 

 

 

 

About us worrying to much about profit: We just like to use our money the most efficient way. I dont see any problems in that. In fact, the thing I love the most about this game, is optimizing training methods (minimal loss, maximal xp).

[bedman]

You can sell those exact same battlestaffs in the GE for 8.4k. They are worth 8.4k, NOT 7k. Just because you can get addy bars from avansies for ~50 gp in ammo does NOT mean the bars are worth 50 gp.

 

 

 

Also that is only a profit of 1.4k a mere 450 more than actually crafting and alching the battlestaff. I think anyone that sells them that does not have 99 crafting is a moron. Crafting is an expensive skill and any experience that is free much less MAKES a profit is well worth it.

 

 

 

That xp isnt free! Buying the staves yourself at Zaff, or buying them in the GE doesnt make any difference! When you decide to attach an orb you are changing 8400 + 100 gp into 9100 gp, which is A LOSS.

 

 

 

Please try to see every action on its own

 

1) buying from zaff: profit.

 

2) attaching orbs (xp + loss).

 

 

 

 

 

Btw, I got 90 crafting myself through battlestaves. I bought dayly at zaff, and in the GE. I bought my battlestaves at 8100-8300 each in the GE, water orbs at 660 each, and later (when water orbs got more expensive) air orbs for 975 each. In the case of water orbs, I did make profit. In the case of air orbs I didnt, but buying from zaff daily made up for that (however, I did loose money in the actual crafting, see what I'm saying.

 

Now however, I got kind of bored with it, and I'm just selling my staves daily in the GE. I feel it's a bit of waste, cause it's hard to get them in large amounts due to the trade limit, but hey, why should I force myself to do a skill I find boring? I've got 90 crafting, I can make anything I want.

[ultimatballr]

While I appreciate the discussion I have just read I would like you all to take into consideration one thing. Can we talk in terms of 'Actual' spending? As opposed to 'Potential' earnings?

 

 

 

I myself am a man who chooses to avoid the idea of "Buying a staff from Zaff costs 8000" When I only drop 7000 per staff. Is there potential to sell for more? Yes of course. But I am not looking to gain a profit I am looking for exp. For me the 'potential' profit I may incur is the crafting exp. So you see I spent 7k for a staff instead of 8k on it in GE. That's 1k off if you ask me + exp if you ask me.

 

 

 

Just saying how I look at it and if you wouldn't mind could you talk in terms of 'actual' instead of 'potential'??

 

 

 

**Forgot to mention I know my staff prices are off but I was just giving an example using fictitious numbers to get my point across.

[bedman]

While I appreciate the discussion I have just read I would like you all to take into consideration one thing. Can we talk in terms of 'Actual' spending? As opposed to 'Potential' earnings?

 

 

 

I myself am a man who chooses to avoid the idea of "Buying a staff from Zaff costs 8000" When I only drop 7000 per staff. Is there potential to sell for more? Yes of course. But I am not looking to gain a profit I am looking for exp. For me the 'potential' profit I may incur is the crafting exp. So you see I spent 7k for a staff instead of 8k on it in GE. That's 1k off if you ask me + exp if you ask me.

 

 

 

Just saying how I look at it and if you wouldn't mind could you talk in terms of 'actual' instead of 'potential'??

 

 

 

**Forgot to mention I know my staff prices are off but I was just giving an example using fictitious numbers to get my point across.

 

 

 

Just turn every "potential" into "actual". You are actually spending that "potential" money by crafting. I just called it "potential", since you could potentially get it, if you decided to sell your raw materials.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway. back on topic:

 

 

 

Crafting air battle staves is a good way to craft. You pay 8400 per staff, and 1k per orb, so you loose 300 gp for 137 xp.

 

 

 

Downsides:

 

Trade limit: can only buy 600 a day (+ 64 from zaff).

 

 

 

Now, something that actually has NOTHING to do with it (however, comes in handy): Buy 64 battlestaves from zaff each day. It is good profit (1.4k per staff), and cuts the cost of your crafting expenses.

 

 

 

It *happens* to be that you are also buying battlestaves in the GE, so in stead of selling, you might as well use them yourself. pretty handy huh! (note how I'm trying to split the two actions: the buying of b staves, and the crafting).

[Kietaro1]

Current GE Rrices

 

Battlestaff 8295

 

air orb 993

 

nature 223

 

 

 

Zaff prices

 

Battlestaff 7000

 

 

 

battlestaff + orb + nature

 

8216

 

 

 

Difference 79 gold, and 137.5 less crafting experience.

 

 

 

The difference is you are looking at the potential gain and gauging your loss from there. If I have 3 apples and I give you 1, I have lost 1 apple. If I have a bag of apples at my house, where I can take as many as I want, figuratively, and I give you one, I have not lost the one I gave you plus the potential apples that I had.

 

 

 

This example is flawed in that by giving you an apple I am not gaining anything. With battlestaves that alch for 9300 you gain money from the initial 8350 that you spent. There is no loss as you started with 8350 and now have 9300.

 

 

 

With potential gain however you lose 100 gold. Is that even significant enough to even worry about? Even over 1000 battlestaves that is a mere 100k which can be gained in about 20 minutes. Actually it is 79 gold but again you did not lose ANYTHING as you STILL only paid 8350 for the staff, again high balling everything.

[Kietaro1]

But I have realized that we are comparing apples to oranges. You are talking of buying your staves from the GE where as I am staying content with the 64 I get a day.

 

 

 

I never meant to put forth the idea that I thought it was a good idea to buy from the GE. I was speaking of purely NPC trading with Zaff.

[bedman]

Current GE Rrices

 

Battlestaff 8295

 

air orb 993

 

nature 223

 

 

 

Zaff prices

 

Battlestaff 7000

 

 

 

battlestaff + orb + nature

 

8216

 

 

 

Difference 79 gold, and 137.5 less crafting experience.

 

 

 

The difference is you are looking at the potential gain and gauging your loss from there. If I have 3 apples and I give you 1, I have lost 1 apple. If I have a bag of apples at my house, where I can take as many as I want, figuratively, and I give you one, I have not lost the one I gave you plus the potential apples that I had.

 

 

 

This example is flawed in that by giving you an apple I am not gaining anything. With battlestaves that alch for 9300 you gain money from the initial 8350 that you spent. There is no loss as you started with 8350 and now have 9300.

 

 

 

With potential gain however you lose 100 gold. Is that even significant enough to even worry about? Even over 1000 battlestaves that is a mere 100k which can be gained in about 20 minutes. Actually it is 79 gold but again you did not lose ANYTHING as you STILL only paid 8350 for the staff, again high balling everything.

 

 

 

I'm getting pretty frustrated. I did all I could to explain you, but apperantly, you are lacking the brains to understand me., or there is a serious misconception.

 

 

 

Yes, you invest 8216k to make an air orb, buying the battle staff from Zaff, and alching it. Yes, you get 9300 back.

 

 

 

HOWEVER, BY DECIDING NOT TO SELL THE (RAW) BATTLE STAVES, YOU ARE LOOSING 1300 GP! THIS NETS YOU A LOSS OF AROUND 300 GP PER BATTLESTAFF MADE.

 

 

 

Compare it to a player who also buy battle staves from Zaff, but decided to sell them. The difference between you and the player will be as followed:

 

 

 

You: 137 xp, 9300 return (of the investment of 7k + 993 + 223)

 

 

 

Him: no xp, 9600 return (of the investment of 7k + 993 + 223) (this guy just sells everything back to the GE (thus 8295 + 223 + 993), so actually, he shouldnt have bought the nature rune and the orb).

 

 

 

 

 

So the only difference between him, and you is

 

You get 137 xp

 

He gets 300 gp more than you (but no xp)

 

(you both made the same investments)

 

 

 

 

 

So, can we conclude you have to pay 300 gp for 137 crafting xp, since deciding NOT TO GET THE CRAFTING XP GIVES YOU 300 GP MORE? If this doesnt sound logic to you, I'm gonna go crazy.

 

 

 

Just one more example to make it 100% clear:

 

 

 

You buy a raw lobster for 300gp. You cook it, and you sell the cooked one for 250 gp.

 

He buys a raw lobster for 300 gp. He sells it back for 300 gp.

 

 

 

Difference

 

You get 120 cooking xp.

 

He gets 50 gp more than you.

 

(you both made the same investments).

 

 

 

So, you pay 50 gp for 120 cooking xp.

 

 

 

See the analogon with the staves? Forget Zaff just for a second. He's an external money source, a different action. I mean, I'm not claiming I'm cooking for free, cause Zaff nets me enough profit per day to cook 1200 lobbies and break even in total, do I? The cooking is costing me money, Zaff is giving me money. Total balance = break even.

 

 

 

 

 

ps: sorry for caps lock, I got a bit frustrated.