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[NuckingFuts]

 

 

 

http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php

 

 

 

Hey all :)

 

 

 

Well I am going to start a project in which I try and create of these computers. So far I haven't actually brought anything yet, because I want to plan out; preferably to a cheap price.

 

 

 

I was wondering if anyone here would be able to lend some assistance to the actual gear required, and where I can obtain it?

 

 

 

I'm looking to get a SSD, rather than an HDD - the reason for this being I want to submerge it into the tank. Does anyone know of a good make, as this is the first time I would have actually purchased one.

 

 

 

That's all I can think of for now... it's late

 

I will update this thread with questions as they come-up :)

[sloter]

This is actually really old. Also i don't know if you posted this to try to show off or what. If you have to post here on TIF for ideas on this i think this is out of your league. I would home you weren't planning and going and buying new hardware for this either.

[NuckingFuts]

I only needed an idea for an SSD (so far), something I have never used before in a large scale computer :/ - I figured it shouldn't matter where I post that, because I have seen some fairly great minded people on this forum...

 

 

 

And yes, I was planning on buying some new hardware + using old gear from a previous computer, however adapting it to a much bigger tank and use as a media player in my lounge. It's not a project I intend to complete in like a month, rather one I work on slowly, thus lowering the cost indent in my pocket.

 

 

 

Thanks for your rather insulting post though. :)

[RSBDavid]

 

Thanks for your rather insulting post though. :)

 

I would have to agree......with sloter

 

 

 

He gave a fair input and you have a horrible output. He is right. If you can't figure this out without help, then it IS out of your league. Maybe you should google more on the subject.

 

 

 

Edit:

 

 

 

Another question, have you ever built a regular computer before on YOUR OWN?

[NuckingFuts]

-.-

 

 

 

I am in fact using Google, I just wanted to know what some of you here taught would be good a SSD drive, and perhaps where I can get it cheaper. Don't give me bull saying that I shouldn't ask here, with that philosophy you might as well not have a Tech and Computers section, if all your willing to do is send me off to Google.

 

 

 

Granted it does hold more answers for me, I know that, you know that. However I'm just here asking a few questions that people on this forum might or might not be able to give an opinion on.

 

 

 

Thanks for practically jumping on me the second I make a thread to lecture me on how I shouldn't even ask to begin with...

 

 

 

EDIT: Yes I have built numerous computers on my own. It's not so much that I don't know how to do this, rather I want to bounce ideas and opinions with what other people might have experienced. Be it neon lighting in the case, or what type of SSD/HDD I use.

[sloter]

Do you have any idea what SSD with a decent amount of work able space cost? To take one and submerge it in oil is unreal. You also talking about not spending much.

 

 

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... name=128GB

 

 

 

As for my post above i don't see how i was insulting you. As i am almost sure i am right. You keep getting offend by everything said so some how i have to think i am right.

[Nadril]

Why the hell do you want to do this anyways? Why won't building a new computer work fine? I mean, it's not like you are trying to achieve crazy [wagon] overclocking speeds or anything or else you would spend more money.

 

 

 

And SSD drives are crazy expensive, total waste of money. You can get two 1TB drives for less than one 128GB SSD.

 

 

 

 

 

I just don't see the point.

[NuckingFuts]

Well I'm very much into the look of things (design & such). And I figured this would be a nice project to run. I mean in the end I will have a computer which will look different, act as something to impress guests at house party's (Not Runescape House Parties :P) and fit in nicely with the rest of my living room.

 

 

 

It is pointless I agree, but it acts as a rather unique feature in the home, and I'm going to enjoy making it - it's just something for me to put some time into. (Having finished doing up my car, and my other computer, I figured I would under go a project which requires a bit more thought)

 

 

 

And yes, SSD is expensive I agree, but it's either going to be one of those inside the tank, or I could have some big capacity HDD on the top\side - outside of the tank.

 

After some research I think that will be the main option to go with due to price. Then again if all I will be playing through it are some DVD's, my girlfriends 10GB music folder, and some Slideshows from holiday, then I don't really need such a big capacity to work with.

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/5983607/OCZ-OCZSSD2-1C32G-32GB-Core-Series-SATA-II-2-5-SSD-Solid-State-Internal-Hard-Drive/Product.html

 

 

 

^ There is an example of what I would be willing to get, and submerge.

 

 

 

The aim isn't to turn this into a computer I would use for gaming, or work. Rather manage my small media for use in the living room. Going with the idea that I just plug in items such as MP3 players, and give it 2-3 DVD drives (Using 2 from old computer) - then I'm not required to have such a large drive capacity right?

[Nadril]

Why not just use an external hard drive?

[NuckingFuts]

Why not just use an external hard drive?

 

 

 

I could, Because like hell it will be cheaper. But I would need to ensure my motherboard then supports booting from a USB source. For this I have two options , use the old one from an ancient PC of mine (Which I doubt will support that function), or purchase a new one.

 

 

 

I have never actually installed a OS on an external hard drive, I just checked it out on Google and found that the requirements for such setup is rather specific and not recommended. But I will check my Mobo out, and the possibilities of doing it this way.

 

 

 

But yeah, sounds like something I should think about. This would however mean mounting it on the top/side of the fish tank, because oil would slow down the platters, causing it to not function, if I went and placed it inside :D

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

Hey - when Sloter's right, he's right. This, I feel, is indeed way out of your league.

 

 

 

Submerging computer parts into some heat-dispersing medium has been around since '01. The trick is to make sure that the moving parts don't get gummed up with the coolant.

[RSBDavid]

Why not fake it? GEt two fish tanks, 1 being smaller then the other with about 1 ich thinner all around. Put a clear cased tower in the smaller tank. Put the smaller tank in bigger tank and put gellatin or something clear in.

[NuckingFuts]

Hey - when Sloter's right, he's right. This, I feel, is indeed way out of your league.

 

 

 

Submerging computer parts into some heat-dispersing medium has been around since '01. The trick is to make sure that the moving parts don't get gummed up with the coolant.

 

 

 

I'm not going with this project thinking its new and revolutionary, I simply like what I saw design wise and now it's my goal :P

 

 

 

The only moving parts going on will be from the fans, seeing as I'm in no way placing a normal HDD in the tank (which is more than likely going to mess-up with the oil)

 

It would be foolish for me to stick any CD/DVD drive into the actual oil, because that would result in the disks dislodging from the bay, and getting stuck in the drive :P

 

 

 

The fan I see isn't a necessity to place in the tank, however from researching it on the web I found it shouldn't hurt.

 

 

 

Next on my list is finding the correct type of sealant :(

 

 

 

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Why not fake it? GEt two fish tanks, 1 being smaller then the other with about 1 ich thinner all around. Put a clear cased tower in the smaller tank. Put the smaller tank in bigger tank and put gellatin or something clear in.

 

 

 

That was one route I was thinking of going down. However I would then need to customize that tower to allow DVD/CD drive access, access as a whole becomes a bit more tricky as I need a tower allowing USB/Ethernet/Audio etc on the top.

 

 

 

But your idea now got me thinking about... fishes anyone?

[RSBDavid]

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Hey - when Sloter's right, he's right. This, I feel, is indeed way out of your league.

 

 

 

Submerging computer parts into some heat-dispersing medium has been around since '01. The trick is to make sure that the moving parts don't get gummed up with the coolant.

 

 

 

I'm not going with this project thinking its new and revolutionary, I simply like what I saw design wise and now it's my goal :P

 

 

 

The only moving parts going on will be from the fans, seeing as I'm in no way placing a normal HDD in the tank (which is more than likely going to mess-up with the oil)

 

It would be foolish for me to stick any CD/DVD drive into the actual oil, because that would result in the disks dislodging from the bay, and getting stuck in the drive :P

 

 

 

The fan I see isn't a necessity to place in the tank, however from researching it on the web I found it shouldn't hurt.

 

 

 

Next on my list is finding the correct type of sealant :(

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

Why not fake it? GEt two fish tanks, 1 being smaller then the other with about 1 ich thinner all around. Put a clear cased tower in the smaller tank. Put the smaller tank in bigger tank and put gellatin or something clear in.

 

 

 

That was one route I was thinking of going down. However I would then need to customize that tower to allow DVD/CD drive access, access as a whole becomes a bit more tricky as I need a tower allowing USB/Ethernet/Audio etc on the top.

 

 

 

But your idea now got me thinking about... fishes anyone?

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Will your tower be located in the center of the room or along a wall?

[NuckingFuts]

 

Will your tower be located in the center of the room or along a wall?

 

 

 

Along a wall. All of that, surrounded by a tank of liquid, would mean that all access bays on the tower (front and back) are going to be untouchable, unless I take the entire thing out. Which would be impractical during a party :P

 

 

 

This could however all be managed with external disk drives, multi-card readers, and extra USB extensions. Cable it all up, place it in the tank, with the hardware left on-top (I could easily package that inside some kind of case to make it look neater)

 

 

 

Then I just need to pray nothing requires me to unplug any of the many peripherals added :lol:

 

 

 

It is however a great idea worth branching out on. In two days I will be going to a specialist tank designer to look at shape/size, that should give me more ground to work on once I get in some measurements.

[sloter]

If this was functional and worked well everyone would have one. Also running it for a while you are going to need a way to cool the oil. Just because there is a large amount of the oil doesn't mean it won't heat up. Also most of the hardware will be hard to work with once it is in the oil as to change anything your going to get oil all over the place. Your also going to have to make sure you tank has tempered glass in it so the temperature change doesn't crack the tanks glass. You keep saying you want a SSD to have that in the tank are you going to put your cd drives in the tank? I don't think you really realize how unfunctional this will be. I think you saw this and was like yeah that is so cool and i can show this off to people. Hint that you are trying to make a fake one now. What is the point of having an unfunctional take of oil sitting in your living room? Not to burst your bubble or anything. This is why i posted my first post again you really don't have a clue of what you are talking about in any way.

[OldJoe]

Oil cooled works, yes, but you don't get any benefits from it. The temps are around the same as with air-cooling, and it will take a lot of work, it won't even look good.

 

 

 

Buy an antec skeleton chassi and hang it upside-down in the ceiling.

[NuckingFuts]

 

Also running it for a while you are going to need a way to cool the oil.

 

// Yes, and purchasing a heatsink of some kind should help me with this. I don't intend to keep the PC running for more than 12 hours. I have researched into the matter and 2-4 120mm fans placed in a grid should do the job just fine for the periods I will be using it for.

 

 

 

Just because there is a large amount of the oil doesn't mean it won't heat up.

 

// I know, hence why getting further cooling methods like stated above will be required.

 

 

 

Also most of the hardware will be hard to work with once it is in the oil as to change anything your going to get oil all over the place.

 

// Again not a problem, I will run it in the empty tank first of all, without any oil. And I wont even think about placing oil in until the computer works. I have no intention to upgrade parts within the system often.

 

 

 

Your also going to have to make sure you tank has tempered glass in it so the temperature change doesn't crack the tanks glass.

 

// I believe that comes as standard with most glass used in a fish tank, simply because they have to deal with Tropical fish, which uses warm water. I will ask this before purchasing the tank, however recent research has told me that this glass cracking happens when the temperature rapidly changes from hot to cold.

 

The oil in the tank isn't expected to hit above 80©, especially not with the humble task of watching a movie, or playing some music. Even then, the cool down process is going to be continuous, and not sudden.

 

 

 

You keep saying you want a SSD to have that in the tank are you going to put your cd drives in the tank?

 

// SSD in the tank would work yes (or so my research has told me) Because this has no moving parts in it. Unlike an HDD, in which the viscosity of the oil will slow down the platters. This means it cant read/write at the expected speed, rendering it useless.

 

And no, I won't be placing the CD/DVD drives in the tank. As I said before the moving parts in this are too delicate the tamper with, the oil would just slow the RPM of the drive as it tries to read the data on the disk, the disk alone is more than likely to dislodge in the drive. For this I can simply plug in the drive and mount it above the oil level.

 

 

 

 

I don't think you really realize how unfunctional this will be.

 

// I won't know until I try right? - The research carried out and examples used have shown me this has the possibility to work.

 

 

 

I think you saw this and was like yeah that is so cool and i can show this off to people.

 

// To some respect yes, yes I did. Having it for house parties and such would be a nice little benefit. It's not going to be a computer dedicated to just one person, but rather the house as a whole. My girlfriend will be able to play some of her tunes through it, I can watch some films with a few mates, and it will act as decoration in my home.

 

I'm developing this with the idea it will be, basically a large, bulky, oily multi-media player.

 

 

 

Hint that you are trying to make a fake one now. What is the point of having an unfunctional take of oil sitting in your living room?

 

// My sole purpose is going for something that looks pleasing to the eye, something which will look "cool". It will add to the already modern/gadget laden living room I have, I'm just running through ideas and possibilities.

 

That's how I like to work through my projects... I like to think about the different methods I could use, to create a similar outcome.

 

 

 

Not to burst your bubble or anything.

 

// Don't worry, you're not.

 

 

 

This is why i posted my first post again you really don't have a clue of what you are talking about in any way.

 

// If that's your belief, who am I to try and change it? However I am researching a lot into this (research = knowledge right?), and I plan to go ahead with it.

 

 

 

 

Well, this thread can be closed now, or just left alone. The SSD question has been given some opinions, for which I am grateful. That was my only main concern, the rest such as neon lights (which I haven't used before) and the actual architecture/design of the system, I should be able to work out, with the always useful guide, Google.