JaGEx >_<

[Zierro]

Why can't a member complain about the updates?

 

 

 

No one is saying he is not allowed, however, it is silly to bring Quel's F2P status into this and say, "Aha! So that's why you're a fanboy!" If anything, someone being F2P and still appreciating a much crappier version of the game is a point Me Hate Libs should be evading - not bringing up.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Actually, anyone who has never played members cannot give any credible and valid point about members updates and their quality, schedule, bugs, anything really.

 

 

 

Anything he has to say about f2p I'll take into consideration.

 

 

 

And I wouldn't call him a fanboy because I don't use dumb internet phrases. I would say that Quel will never, ever admit that Jagex is ever at fault, makes any mistakes, etc. I find that to not only be frustrating when trying to talk to someone, but kinda pathetic that they take their personal opinion cues from a company.

[Zierro]

Actually, anyone who has never played members cannot give any credible and valid point about members updates and their quality, schedule, bugs, anything really.

 

 

 

But we're talking about the company who runs both F2P and P2P, not just exclusively P2P. Also, he might not be as knowledgeable about P2P updates as a member would be, but he still has the right to give his input. Just like someone who has never done drugs should still be able to give their opinions, even if it only comes down to theory instead of experience.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Actually, anyone who has never played members cannot give any credible and valid point about members updates and their quality, schedule, bugs, anything really.

 

 

 

But we're talking about the company who runs both F2P and P2P, not just exclusively P2P. Also, he might not be as knowledgeable about P2P updates as a member would be, but he still has the right to give his input. Just like someone who has never done drugs should still be able to give their opinions, even if it only comes down to theory instead of experience.

 

 

 

Yes, but someone who has never done drugs can't tell you what it's like to have used them. They can't tell you the differences of what happens when you use good quality and bad quality. They can't tell you anything other than what other people tell them and observing how other people use them.

 

 

 

He cannot give any valid argument about members updates, their quality, or anything unless he has played them. He can only revocalize second hand information. Actually, that would be refreshing instead of revocalizing what Jagex tells us.

[Zierro]

Of course they can't talk about the experience drugs give you when they have never had that experience. There are numerous aspects to look at though - not just experiences. The most important being why Jagex do the things they do. You don't need to experience P2P in order to theoretically debate Jagex's intentions.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Of course they can't talk about the experience drugs give you when they have never had that experience. There are numerous aspects to look at though - not just experiences. The most important being why Jagex do the things they do. You don't need to experience P2P in order to theoretically debate Jagex's intentions.

 

 

 

No, you don't. He doesn't debate though. He is a stalwart defender of them no matter what happens, what is said, what is proven, etc. He refuses to ever admit they do anything wrong. He has no original thoughts or opinions. He just repeats their mantras over and over again, that's what about him bugs me.

 

 

 

And he tries to talk about their updates like he plays them when he doesn't. I don't talk about things I don't play on here. You'll be hard pressed to find me have an opinion about SC, Soul Wars, Castle Wars, Trouble Brewing or anything.

 

 

 

He hasn't played them either, but he'll tell you how great they are until he's blue in the face.

 

 

 

I went ahead and solved the problem by adding him to my foes list since he never says anything useful, original or interesting anyway.

[Jaffy1]

Actually, anyone who has never played members cannot give any credible and valid point about members updates and their quality, schedule, bugs, anything really.

 

 

 

Anything he has to say about f2p I'll take into consideration.

 

 

 

And I wouldn't call him a fanboy because I don't use dumb internet phrases. I would say that Quel will never, ever admit that Jagex is ever at fault, makes any mistakes, etc. I find that to not only be frustrating when trying to talk to someone, but kinda pathetic that they take their personal opinion cues from a company.

You don't use dumb internet phrases you say, but you do post dumb internet "arguments" without support, because by your logic I should totally agree with you.

 

 

 

Well I hate to break it to you, but I do not agree. As a member you have access to much, much more than f2p, and I cannot in any way relate with your "bad experience".

 

 

 

Also it is utterly stupid to say that "Quel will never ever admit Jagex is ever at fault" because you can't see into the future or controll another person's mind.

 

 

 

Personally I see Jagex as human, sure they make mistakes, and they do their best to fix them. For this they have my respect. They created the only game I can keep playing, and yes, in members I am most happy with most of the updates.

 

 

 

I am still to see any real argument from your side. =D>

[quelmotz]

You're really making yourself look more and more stupid.

 

 

 

You're blatantly spouting nonsensical and clearly false facts and trying to defend them although you clearly know they are rubbish.

 

 

 

I'll repeat once more:I DON'T THINK JAGEX IS PERFECT. Got that? I've made two of my own rants about the game. Go and search "Crushing and stabbing weps never used" and "F2P Mage and Range underpowered". Enough for you?

 

 

 

I've never defended any member updates before. Another of your stupid claims. If you have evidence of me defending members' updates, go ahead and post them. Can't find any, eh?

 

 

 

I'm just defending Jagex because I can see that they DO put in effort into updates and try their best to improve the game and fix bugs. They do make mistakes, and I do dislike some of the updates they make and how bad the F2P combat triangle is, but in the end, they are human after all, and to err is to be human.

 

 

 

I am still to see any real argument from your side. =D>

 

 

 

You hit the nail on the head here. ;)

[Sir_Kurity]

I've never defended any member updates before. Another of your stupid claims. If you have evidence of me defending members' updates, go ahead and post them. Can't find any, eh?

 

 

 

 

Turns on search function.

 

 

 

Seriously, just let Jagex have some time to fix it a bit before flaming them like an idiot.

 

 

 

Nothing can be perfect on the first try. And this is Jagex's first shot at such a game. So have patience, allow them to fix some stuff, and once they're done, it should be fine.

 

 

 

Just a little something i remember from when MA came out, I'm to lazy to find more, i'm not even sure if there are more, but heres one. Its quite obviously defending a member update.

 

 

 

Oh and yes, it won't be perfect, but when 3 out of 4 of the game modes (or was it 2/3 whatever) are gone on the first day, people lost millions to some stupid bug, and games take a horrendously long time to join, then something is wrong.

 

 

 

And i thought they had a QA team.

[Omali]

Take Omali for example, there's a lot I know we disagree about, but you know what? As it relates to factual information about the game, I've never heard him say one single thing that was untrue.

 

 

 

Not to mention I'm pretty sure we just gave half the rants forum a stroke with that reversal..

 

 

 

Omali, if I dated guys, I'd be so reverse raping you. ;)

 

 

 

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Take Omali for example, there's a lot I know we disagree about, but you know what? As it relates to factual information about the game, I've never heard him say one single thing that was untrue.

 

 

 

Not to mention I'm pretty sure we just gave half the rants forum a stroke with that reversal..

 

 

 

Omali, if I dated guys, I'd be so reverse raping you. ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

People can have their opinions. If you think my argument has no merit, fine. I have plenty of people who think it does and quite a few who agree with me. I still I think catch most of the crap because I criticize your beloved Jagex. You'll never see any merit in an argument that is in any way critical of Runescape.

 

 

 

And Omali, as cute as you are, you'd be so much cuter if you were a girl. :P

[unclebilly1]

I was reading this up until the point where it became a bickering contest, but there's a very simple explanation for the trade limits. Obviously it's concerning RWT, but a lot of people don't understand why RWT is a problem.

 

 

 

Let's say you want to buy a spiffy AGS, but don't have the GP. So you decide to buy some RS geepees with RL money. You can either use a credit card directly, or you can use a credit card to put money into a paypal account. Either way, you've used a credit card.

 

 

 

Since this is a youth-oriented game, there's a good chance the credit card you used was not yours, it was probably your mom's or your dad's. A fair number of people doing this didn't ask permission first.

 

 

 

So mom and dad get their credit card statement, and see a $10 purchase from RSGOLD4YOU.com (I made that site up, it's not a real one). Of course they don't recognize the charge, so they dispute it. That initiates a fraud investigation by the credit card company.

 

 

 

The credit card company will check out RSGOLD4YOU.com and see that it's a closed business in China. The money is gone, the account is closed. A little further digging will reveal that RSGOLD4YOU.com was a company that sold in-game gold to players playing a game called Runescape owned by Jagex.

 

 

 

Since the credit card company will not be able to recover the money, they will write it off. But they will also put up a little red flag on Jagex's file as being associated with fraudulent activity. Multiply that by several thousand transactions and now Jagex has a problem. Too many fraudulent problems and the credit card company will decide that it is easier to decline any transactions related to Jagex and RS related purchases.

 

 

 

Add in the Gold Farmers paying for memberships with stolen credit card numbers, and you could see a big problem had developed for Jagex.

 

 

 

If Jagex couldn't accept credit card payments, then you all could say bye-bye to any and all updates, and possibly the game itself.

 

 

 

So the trade limits were introduced. People couldn't break the trade barrier, so good-bye RWT. The casualties included friend transactions and merchanting (to a smaller degree).

 

 

 

So instead of complaining about something that Jagex HAD TO DO, you should be thinking of a creative solution to the problem.

 

 

 

Jagex could offer unrestricted trade to people with a quest cape. It would encourage people to buy memberships, to grind out all the quests and skills needed to do them, and give something special for quest cape owners. Since a few of the quests require pretty high combat levels, it would also create a long-term goal for people.

 

 

 

Jagex brought up the idea of a 'security key' for securing RS accounts. They could also program the accounts with 'security keys' to have unrestricted trade since they had already jumped through the hoops needed to get 'secure' status in the first place.

[quelmotz]

People can have their opinions. If you think my argument has no merit, fine. I have plenty of people who think it does and quite a few who agree with me. I still I think catch most of the crap because I criticize your beloved Jagex. You'll never see any merit in an argument that is in any way critical of Runescape.

 

 

 

Are you freaking blind or what?

 

 

 

Didn't you go and search up MY own threads criticising parts of RuneScape?

[Me_Hate_Libs]

People can have their opinions. If you think my argument has no merit, fine. I have plenty of people who think it does and quite a few who agree with me. I still I think catch most of the crap because I criticize your beloved Jagex. You'll never see any merit in an argument that is in any way critical of Runescape.

 

 

 

Are you freaking blind or what?

 

 

 

Didn't you go and search up MY own threads criticising parts of RuneScape?

 

 

 

No because there's no point in arguing with you and because someone, named Est0rrath gave one already.

 

 

 

The only thing around here that is blind is your faith in Jagex and all of their updates.

[perfetc]

I know this is just adding to the already high pile of spam but if you want to argue about who is or isn't in love with jagex (or any other petty argument) why don't you head on over to off topic and create a thread called "Me_Hate_Libs VS quelmotz"?

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Because the Rants sections is for Runescape only rants. So while I can rant about Quel being in love with Runescape, taking it to me vs him wouldn't really be related to Runescape.

 

 

 

Plus I think his head ins gonna blow up soon. All this criticize his worship and love affair for Jagex is making him angry. :D

[perfetc]

Because the Rants sections is for Runescape only rants. So while I can rant about Quel being in love with Runescape, taking it to me vs him wouldn't really be related to Runescape.

 

 

 

Plus I think his head ins gonna blow up soon. All this criticize his worship and love affair for Jagex is making him angry. :D

 

 

 

Which is why I said take it to off topic.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Because the Rants sections is for Runescape only rants. So while I can rant about Quel being in love with Runescape, taking it to me vs him wouldn't really be related to Runescape.

 

 

 

Plus I think his head ins gonna blow up soon. All this criticize his worship and love affair for Jagex is making him angry. :D

 

 

 

Which is why I said take it to off topic.

 

 

 

Well clearly I don't read people's messages, I just skim them. -.-

[Sir_Kurity]

I know this is just adding to the already high pile of spam but if you want to argue about who is or isn't in love with jagex (or any other petty argument) why don't you head on over to off topic and create a thread called "Me_Hate_Libs VS quelmotz"?

 

 

 

It would probably end up as Me_Hate_Libs + Other people VS Quelmotz and more other people, into some epic thread of ownage.

[quelmotz]

You're really blind.

 

 

 

Must I make it SO simple for you?

 

 

 

Now, scroll your mouse to the hyperlink, click it, and wait for a second. :roll:

 

 

 

viewtopic.php?f=66&t=784101

 

 

 

viewtopic.php?f=66&t=781376

 

 

 

Please - stop insulting your own intelligence.

[perfetc]

You're really blind.

 

 

 

Must I make it SO simple for you?

 

 

 

Now, scroll your mouse to the hyperlink, click it, and wait for a second. :roll:

 

 

 

viewtopic.php?f=66&t=784101

 

 

 

viewtopic.php?f=66&t=781376

 

 

 

Please - stop insulting your own intelligence.

 

 

 

:wall:

 

 

 

Will one of you be the bigger person and just walk away from it instead of this persistant name calling, it is like watching two 3 year olds, it is quite pathetic and totaly off topic.

[Gerbil]

quelmotz & co, get out. I said I wanted looser trade limits, not no trade limits at all. The quest cape solution is a dumb idea because you're out of RWTer territory long before you get on of those. The security key is a dumb idea because it's just another key to forget the location of. And also having to wait for a physical object to arrive in the mail so you can get an advantadge in a virtual game is dumb. And what about people who play from workplaces where you're not allowed to use USB devices in the workstations?

[Sir_Kurity]

And also having to wait for a physical object to arrive in the mail so you can get an advantadge in a virtual game is dumb. And what about people who play from workplaces where you're not allowed to use USB devices in the workstations?

 

 

 

If its funner for you, then its not dumb.

 

 

 

Also, its not actually a USB key, its like those little objects where you press the button and a number comes up. No plugging involved.

[quelmotz]

quelmotz & co, get out. I said I wanted looser trade limits, not no trade limits at all. The quest cape solution is a dumb idea because you're out of RWTer territory long before you get on of those. The security key is a dumb idea because it's just another key to forget the location of. And also having to wait for a physical object to arrive in the mail so you can get an advantadge in a virtual game is dumb. And what about people who play from workplaces where you're not allowed to use USB devices in the workstations?

 

 

 

You call them "dumb ideas". But too bad, those are just about the best solutions to loosen up trade limits. Take it or leave it.

 

 

 

P.S. I haven't seen any of your "better" solutions. Criticism is easy eh?

[Gerbil]

quelmotz & co, get out. I said I wanted looser trade limits, not no trade limits at all. The quest cape solution is a dumb idea because you're out of RWTer territory long before you get on of those. The security key is a dumb idea because it's just another key to forget the location of. And also having to wait for a physical object to arrive in the mail so you can get an advantadge in a virtual game is dumb. And what about people who play from workplaces where you're not allowed to use USB devices in the workstations?

 

 

 

You call them "dumb ideas". But too bad, those are just about the best solutions to loosen up trade limits. Take it or leave it.

 

 

 

P.S. I haven't seen any of your "better" solutions. Criticism is easy eh?

 

The solution is to loosen up the trade limits as much as is possible without bringing back RWTing. Considering that most botters traded millions of GP per transaction, I could see at least a few thousand extra GP in the beginning limit and a much steeper increase as you head toward the QP cape. I recant on the quest cape = unlimited idea. It COULD work, as long as it's not implemented as a stand-alone solution. If QPCers get unlimited trade, what good does that do the other 99.5% of players, many of whom may never get a quest cape?