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[Ravenkana]

I personally enjoy quests because of how much they tell the backstory of the game. WoW has nothing on Runescapes quests, and Runescape is just a wholly more interesting place then WoW. At least, I enjoy RS quests to the collecting things and killing things for people in WoW

Last two quests released were more like WoW quests than WoW quests are. And WoW quests DO give backstory. Just only incredibly long arcs that give rewards each step of the way.

[langer]

Sorry for not clarifying.

 

 

 

I meant QP as a trade limit sucks. Some people don't like quests, a great deal of people (skillers, pures the like) simply can't do quests. But EVERYONE gets skills up in runescape, everyone, so XP/level should in some way matter.

 

 

 

How can you say getting a skill up is not earning it? Sure you can bot the skill, but you wouldn't bother to RWT if you were already botting. And if you did get your skills up normally you deserve a half way decent trade limit

 

 

 

Pures and skillers choose to limit themselves... I find xp to be unfair because it doesn't "show" how long a someone has played. I wouldn't mind if it was a formulas based on QP, XP and Total level, but with the QP giving a higher % of the trade limit.

 

 

 

I didn't say skilling was not earning it. I meant getting cash from someone else is not earning your own cash.

 

 

 

You mean someone already cheating would not cheat with another mean if he had the opportunity? RWTers used to do both at one time when playing RS was a chore having to compete with bots and goldfarmers...

[Sir_Kurity]

 

Pures and skillers choose to limit themselves... I find xp to be unfair because it doesn't "show" how long a someone has played. I wouldn't mind if it was a formulas based on QP, XP and Total level, but with the QP giving a higher % of the trade limit.

 

 

 

 

Quests don't "show" how long someone has played either. My pure has played far more than some of my friends with well over 100 QP, and i have around 50... Experience/total level is a far better judge of how long someone has played than quests, which i find most people don't like.

 

 

 

 

You mean someone already cheating would not cheat with another mean if he had the opportunity? RWTers used to do both at one time when playing RS was a chore having to compete with bots and goldfarmers...

 

 

 

Why would someone bot, and then buy money on that botted account, its stupid because chances are you are paying for money that will be gone once you are caught botting. Also even if they did want to RWT, people trade millions at a time, so it still wouldn't be very efficient.

 

 

 

My main point is that XP/level is a far better way of telling how experienced someone is at the game than quests.

[langer]

Why would someone bot, and then buy money on that botted account, its stupid because chances are you are paying for money that will be gone once you are caught botting. Also even if they did want to RWT, people trade millions at a time, so it still wouldn't be very efficient.

 

 

 

My main point is that XP/level is a far better way of telling how experienced someone is at the game than quests.

 

 

 

Someone would probably bot to gain money to later sell to someone else, that's what macroers and goldfarmers were all about. A lvl 99 wc bot might have more experience and levels than a quester, is that bot more experienced? You only seem to view that problem from the side of the gold buyers... there are plenty of them in the game but they have been made silent due to the impossibility of getting substantial money from sellers.

 

 

 

If you make the trade limits respond to xp and levels, you will yourself surrounded once more by goldfarmers stealing your trees or combat spot. Unless you meant keep the trade limits but make them evolve with xp and level only.

 

 

 

For my part, I think questers don't have enough rewards for doing all those quests, changing this would be a slap in the face to these players.

[Ravenkana]

Why would someone bot, and then buy money on that botted account, its stupid because chances are you are paying for money that will be gone once you are caught botting. Also even if they did want to RWT, people trade millions at a time, so it still wouldn't be very efficient.

 

 

 

My main point is that XP/level is a far better way of telling how experienced someone is at the game than quests.

 

 

 

Someone would probably bot to gain money to later sell to someone else, that's what macroers and goldfarmers were all about. A lvl 99 wc bot might have more experience and levels than a quester, is that bot more experienced? You only seem to view that problem from the side of the gold buyers... there are plenty of them in the game but they have been made silent due to the impossibility of getting substantial money from sellers.

 

 

 

If you make the trade limits respond to xp and levels, you will yourself surrounded once more by goldfarmers stealing your trees or combat spot. Unless you meant keep the trade limits but make them evolve with xp and level only.

 

 

 

For my part, I think questers don't have enough rewards for doing all those quests, changing this would be a slap in the face to these players.

But, here's the thing, the person buying the money WOULD NEED THE HIGH STATS AS WELL. True, their are those willing to risk high level accounts, but it would cull the masses. And once a high level account is banned, the player who is buying his gold will have to make a new one.

[Sir_Kurity]

Unless you meant keep the trade limits but make them evolve with xp and level only.

 

 

 

I only support relaxing the trade limits slightly.

 

 

 

Questers get enough rewards. A cool cape, great rewards, (Tormented demons) etc. Having total XP not mean anything is a slap in the face for non questers. Seeing as most skills are just money sinks.

 

 

 

Also the person buying the gold needs high stats as well, and if they do have high stats, it not like they would care about 60-100k... Especially at a risk of bannage.

[langer]

I only support relaxing the trade limits slightly

 

 

 

We are on agreement on that point, slightly.

 

 

 

Questers get enough rewards. A cool cape, great rewards, (Tormented demons) etc. Having total XP not mean anything is a slap in the face for non questers. Seeing as most skills are just money sinks.

 

 

 

Not so much here though, half the skills are money sink, while the other half are at the opposite side of the fence.

 

The pinciple of quests is to get rewards, the principle of getting xp...well it's to get better levels. Non questers are just doing that, getting better levels, that is their reward (higher combat level, skill capes and better position on the highscore).

 

 

 

Also the person buying the gold needs high stats as well, and if they do have high stats, it not like they would care about 60-100k... Especially at a risk of bannage.

 

 

 

I agree, then why is it so important for you then? If only high levels can trade more and these are the players than mainly don't need an additional 100K, why would changing the mechanics be so important?

 

 

 

But, here's the thing, the person buying the money WOULD NEED THE HIGH STATS AS WELL. True, their are those willing to risk high level accounts, but it would cull the masses. And once a high level account is banned, the player who is buying his gold will have to make a new one.

 

 

 

Are you talking about extended trade limits or absolute free trades for high levels?

 

I don't mind that much higher trade limits for higher levels but absolute free trades for high levels is a no go from my perspective. There are too many high level accounts out there (both active and retired) that could hand up into RWTers hands and macroers and goldfarmers would once again roam the planes of RS.

[quelmotz]

Est0rrath wrote:

 

Also the person buying the gold needs high stats as well, and if they do have high stats, it not like they would care about 60-100k... Especially at a risk of bannage.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree, then why is it so important for you then? If only high levels can trade more and these are the players than mainly don't need an additional 100K, why would changing the mechanics be so important?

 

 

 

Ravenkana wrote:

 

But, here's the thing, the person buying the money WOULD NEED THE HIGH STATS AS WELL. True, their are those willing to risk high level accounts, but it would cull the masses. And once a high level account is banned, the player who is buying his gold will have to make a new one.

 

 

 

 

 

Are you talking about extended trade limits or absolute free trades for high levels?

 

I don't mind that much higher trade limits for higher levels but absolute free trades for high levels is a no go from my perspective. There are too many high level accounts out there (both active and retired) that could hand up into RWTers hands and macroers and goldfarmers would once again roam the planes of RS.

 

 

 

To add on, high levels in skills could just bot their way there, whereas people with high QP can't bot, taking more time than in skills.

[perfetc]

Est0rrath wrote:

 

Also the person buying the gold needs high stats as well, and if they do have high stats, it not like they would care about 60-100k... Especially at a risk of bannage.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree, then why is it so important for you then? If only high levels can trade more and these are the players than mainly don't need an additional 100K, why would changing the mechanics be so important?

 

 

 

Ravenkana wrote:

 

But, here's the thing, the person buying the money WOULD NEED THE HIGH STATS AS WELL. True, their are those willing to risk high level accounts, but it would cull the masses. And once a high level account is banned, the player who is buying his gold will have to make a new one.

 

 

 

 

 

Are you talking about extended trade limits or absolute free trades for high levels?

 

I don't mind that much higher trade limits for higher levels but absolute free trades for high levels is a no go from my perspective. There are too many high level accounts out there (both active and retired) that could hand up into RWTers hands and macroers and goldfarmers would once again roam the planes of RS.

 

 

 

To add on, high levels in skills could just bot their way there, whereas people with high QP can't bot, taking more time than in skills.

 

 

 

I don't know a thing about bots but if some body spent enough time couldn't they make them do quests? Especially the ones were there isn't a boss fight, I know ones were it is different for every player would either be impossible or have to come in two parts, such as The Eyes of Glouphrie has the puzzle were you have to get the right shape and colour to solve it, a bot would take ages to do that so they could do up to that then you solve the puzzle then the bot carries on with the quest.

 

 

 

Like I said, I don't know a thing about bots so I could be making myself look stupid but don't you record yourself doing something then click something and then the bot does it? So if some body recorded doing the quest, couldn't they upload the recording to the internet and let people download it?

[langer]

I don't know a thing about bots but if some body spent enough time couldn't they make them do quests? Especially the ones were there isn't a boss fight, I know ones were it is different for every player would either be impossible or have to come in two parts, such as The Eyes of Glouphrie has the puzzle were you have to get the right shape and colour to solve it, a bot would take ages to do that so they could do up to that then you solve the puzzle then the bot carries on with the quest.

 

 

 

Like I said, I don't know a thing about bots so I could be making myself look stupid but don't you record yourself doing something then click something and then the bot does it? So if some body recorded doing the quest, couldn't they upload the recording to the internet and let people download it?

 

 

 

I also don't know how botting works, all I know is there is/was evidence of them affecting the economy. As for quest, I have no idea, your guess is as good as mine.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

I personally find that the QP and trade limits as they are now are fine, but they should only apply to the person who is losing money on the deal.

 

 

 

For example, I have 287 QP. If I want to give someone 15k of stuff on to someone with 15 qp, then I should be able to regardless of their QPs. I don't think they should both be required to have higher QPs.

[langer]

For example, I have 287 QP. If I want to give someone 15k of stuff on to someone with 15 qp, then I should be able to regardless of their QPs. I don't think they should both be required to have higher QPs.

 

 

 

That's to prevent players to transfert easily to their own accounts. Or multiple loggins.

 

The biggest flaw though is that 10 000 player could trade their limit to a single user. Welcome back RWTers!

[Me_Hate_Libs]

For example, I have 287 QP. If I want to give someone 15k of stuff on to someone with 15 qp, then I should be able to regardless of their QPs. I don't think they should both be required to have higher QPs.

 

 

 

That's to prevent players to transfert easily to their own accounts. Or multiple loggins.

 

The biggest flaw though is that 10 000 player could trade their limit to a single user. Welcome back RWTers!

 

 

 

Yes well I never really cared much for the rules of trading stuff to your own accounts. :roll:

[langer]

For example, I have 287 QP. If I want to give someone 15k of stuff on to someone with 15 qp, then I should be able to regardless of their QPs. I don't think they should both be required to have higher QPs.

 

 

 

That's to prevent players to transfert easily to their own accounts. Or multiple loggins.

 

The biggest flaw though is that 10 000 player could trade their limit to a single user. Welcome back RWTers!

 

 

 

Yes well I never really cared much for the rules of trading stuff to your own accounts. :roll:

 

 

 

To be honest, I'm not surprised at all. That would not be the first short-sighted statement I read from you.

[Jaffy1]

To be honest, I'm not surprised at all. That would not be the first short-sighted statement I read from you.

Amen to that. Rules aren't meant to be broken, however, should you wish to, you can just train 40k/hr with that (in f2p) hehe.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

For example, I have 287 QP. If I want to give someone 15k of stuff on to someone with 15 qp, then I should be able to regardless of their QPs. I don't think they should both be required to have higher QPs.

 

 

 

That's to prevent players to transfert easily to their own accounts. Or multiple loggins.

 

The biggest flaw though is that 10 000 player could trade their limit to a single user. Welcome back RWTers!

 

 

 

Yes well I never really cared much for the rules of trading stuff to your own accounts. :roll:

 

 

 

To be honest, I'm not surprised at all. That would not be the first short-sighted statement I read from you.

 

 

 

It's not short-sighted, it's a personal opinion. I work for everything on my accounts and if in the past I decided to share certain items with other accounts that I owned, I did so, regardless of whatever rules they had it place. After all, people only follow the rules that they agree with. You can ask any pot smoker that, not that I am one. :D

[langer]

It's not short-sighted, it's a personal opinion. I work for everything on my accounts and if in the past I decided to share certain items with other accounts that I owned, I did so, regardless of whatever rules they had it place. After all, people only follow the rules that they agree with. You can ask any pot smoker that, not that I am one.

 

 

 

It's short-sighted in the sense that allowing it for personnal accounts would also open the door to RWTers. As for following the rules that you or I agree with, I can't really be that hypocrit to deny that. I agree with you on that point, so does Bill Maher!

[Me_Hate_Libs]

It's not short-sighted, it's a personal opinion. I work for everything on my accounts and if in the past I decided to share certain items with other accounts that I owned, I did so, regardless of whatever rules they had it place. After all, people only follow the rules that they agree with. You can ask any pot smoker that, not that I am one.

 

 

 

It's short-sighted in the sense that allowing it for personnal accounts would also open the door to RWTers. As for following the rules that you or I agree with, I can't really be that hypocrit to deny that. I agree with you on that point, so does Bill Maher!

 

 

 

Oh well, I was only specifically adressing the idea of sharing between account, not the RWTers. Also, it might open it up a little, but then you'd still have to have people create the accounts and then complete all those quests to do the trading, which given the time involved, I don't think they'd be too inclined to do it.

[langer]

It's not short-sighted, it's a personal opinion. I work for everything on my accounts and if in the past I decided to share certain items with other accounts that I owned, I did so, regardless of whatever rules they had it place. After all, people only follow the rules that they agree with. You can ask any pot smoker that, not that I am one.

 

 

 

It's short-sighted in the sense that allowing it for personnal accounts would also open the door to RWTers. As for following the rules that you or I agree with, I can't really be that hypocrit to deny that. I agree with you on that point, so does Bill Maher!

 

 

 

Oh well, I was only specifically adressing the idea of sharing between account, not the RWTers. Also, it might open it up a little, but then you'd still have to have people create the accounts and then complete all those quests to do the trading, which given the time involved, I don't think they'd be too inclined to do it.

 

 

 

My point is there are tons of retired accounts with lots of QPs that would be "up for grabs" by malicious RWTers. I agree it's not a realistic claim, but it's still a possibility. I'm also biased as I only have one account and don't see the point much in having multiple accounts, but eh...that's just me.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Yes, but when you consider how many retired accounts., how many QP you need to make any trading worthwhile, and how many they'd realisictly get for this purpose, I don't think it would be worth it to them.

[langer]

Yes, but when you consider how many retired accounts., how many QP you need to make any trading worthwhile, and how many they'd realisictly get for this purpose, I don't think it would be worth it to them.

 

 

 

Yeah, I wouldn't do it, but someone desperate for easy cash over the net... I wouldn't bet against it.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Yes, but when you consider how many retired accounts., how many QP you need to make any trading worthwhile, and how many they'd realisictly get for this purpose, I don't think it would be worth it to them.

 

 

 

Yeah, I wouldn't do it, but someone desperate for easy cash over the net... I wouldn't bet against it.

 

 

 

I see where you're coming from now. As a girl, whenever I need cash and I think of the internet, I always think how much I could make just flashing my boobs around. Stuff like that never occurs to me. :P

[langer]

Yes, but when you consider how many retired accounts., how many QP you need to make any trading worthwhile, and how many they'd realisictly get for this purpose, I don't think it would be worth it to them.

 

 

 

Yeah, I wouldn't do it, but someone desperate for easy cash over the net... I wouldn't bet against it.

 

 

 

I see where you're coming from now. As a girl, whenever I need cash and I think of the internet, I always think how much I could make just flashing my boobs around. Stuff like that never occurs to me. :P

 

 

 

Lol that made my day!

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Yes, but when you consider how many retired accounts., how many QP you need to make any trading worthwhile, and how many they'd realisictly get for this purpose, I don't think it would be worth it to them.

 

 

 

Yeah, I wouldn't do it, but someone desperate for easy cash over the net... I wouldn't bet against it.

 

 

 

I see where you're coming from now. As a girl, whenever I need cash and I think of the internet, I always think how much I could make just flashing my boobs around. Stuff like that never occurs to me. :P

 

 

 

Lol that made my day!

 

 

 

Usually it's the flashing that makes the guys day. Guess you're just easy to please.

[perfetc]

Yes, but when you consider how many retired accounts., how many QP you need to make any trading worthwhile, and how many they'd realisictly get for this purpose, I don't think it would be worth it to them.

 

 

 

Yeah, I wouldn't do it, but someone desperate for easy cash over the net... I wouldn't bet against it.

 

 

 

I see where you're coming from now. As a girl, whenever I need cash and I think of the internet, I always think how much I could make just flashing my boobs around. Stuff like that never occurs to me. :P

 

 

 

Lol that made my day!

 

 

 

Usually it's the flashing that makes the guys day. Guess you're just easy to please.

 

 

 

Theres a better way of making money over the net for girls, that doesn't involve flashing but thats for a totaly different site :lol:

 

 

 

If there willing to steal credit cards to make large trades, I wouldn't rule out dragging old retired accounts back into use for gold farming.