Yeah... just to let you know, I tried making a Tip.it alliance a year back, and it failed... miserably... didn't even get it off the ground...

The difference in quality between CWA and PvP isn't big, if you're organized in CWA you will be in PvP as long as people don't get over excited about losing their rune. The only difference in quality between PvP and CWA are the clans that you can fight in PvP, most PvP clans are more organized than CWA clans because they've already had much more organized clans to fight, starting with the top 5, down to the top 10, top 15, top 20 and so on, it's built a chain. PvP and CWA are now basically two different clan worlds, the only reason PvP is more organized is because there were already top clans fighting their to give the clans below them a good lesson in warring, by a good lesson, I mean fighting them regularly which leads to the clan below improving.

Yeah... just to let you know, I tried making a Tip.it alliance a year back, and it failed... miserably... didn't even get it off the ground...

 

At least we gave it some effort, just proves that we couldn't get the dedication tbh then. We can both see things would be different now.

I like points made by many people, my input will be at the end.

• XjcX- Does the focus need to hop from CWA to PvP?
  

 

I like this comment because it's true. The focus doesn't need to hop, because once TWR gets into PvP it will more then likely become more like RSC everyday, and we are here on TIF for a reason. However, the clan world is rapidly changing with the revival of the wilderness, albeit in a different form.

 

• Unknown Poster- Top 10 Clans beat out the smaller clans for wars.
  

I will have to respectfully disagree with you on that one. PvP worlds should be a hit for smaller PvP clans, or clans making the conversion from CWA to PvP. Look at Poison, they fought in Al-Kharid. A little creativity goes a long way when you plan a fight.

 

• Dandaman619- It's much different in PvP then it is in CWA, not just losing pixels, but callers, binders, snipers, etc.
  

I agree completely. Callers have to be much more careful, and they have to be able to tank for a lot longer than in CWA. In CWA if you die you can still lead semi-well from the orb in the jail if circumstances push you to it. PvP no such thing. Binders will put rune on usually immediately when sniped, because the risk factor is not a pleasent one. Snipers will be more inconspicuous (hence cape switching which many clans do and such tricks like these.) It's little differences that stack up and make PvP a completely different scenario than CWA.

 

 

Personally, I think you have to create the clan with the intention of sometime becoming a PvP oriented clan at some time in the clans future.

To follow up on Ralph, You do need the intentions of going pvp but it's best to forewarn or have it in your recruitment topic that you are a pvp clan/ have rune set requirements. With people who never have been in the clan world and join a cwa clan then all of a sudden want to pvp they will be very hesitant and un willing to return - if even show up. Not saying it is impossible but do be prepared for a possible slump.

 

Another thing to note is CWA clans can talk a lot more [cabbage] with no real precussions done to them. Now many believe oh the smaller clan community in cwa is perfect everyone loves each other, but it's honnestly no different just smaller responses/ less publicity. There is tons of beef between certain clans, consider it a healthy rival but if you were to talk [cabbage] like this in the pvp world their are many incidents where you will get hit. Even if the clan you talk [cabbage] about doesn't crash your war a few might come solo snipe you, or leak info to a clan that will crash you. Going CWA to PVP also requires extreme patient, inteligent, and some lucky leaders. It's all about who you know and how you use it to your advantage. Not many CWA clans would have connections into staying too safe. Larger clans consider them free rune, an easy oponent. Talk [cabbage] get hit. CWA Talk [cabbage] and look like idiots if you decline us and nothing else can happen to you really.

 

That said if CWA clans wish to make the transfer over without smart,inteligent, and lucky leaders with some connections/good relationships it will be a tough road and you will experience slumps. It'd probably be smart to pvp with other CWA clans first to gain experience + build a stronger relationship with them and perhaps pk with each other and hopefully put up some fights against other experienced pvp clans. Once both CWA clans have established some credability in the wild they can venture on their own and war other experienced clans. If they get crashed hopefully each other could AC for one another showing crashers that hey you mess with them we will atleast attempt to make it hell for you.