Should I Sell Claws ???

[Ezkaton]

 

If you can't make spec restores IMO go with the DDS for slayer. The only real situations where I'd say claws are better may be Kuradals dungeon without them; however spec restores make them worthwhile to have.

 

DFS is only better for tanking tasks you know you'll take alot of damage on. The defence bonus's are epic. I'd even hazard a guess to say that DFS > Rune defender for boss hunting mostly. But then again people then say Spectral SS > DFS for boss hunting.

 

So referring to my other post - which will you use more? DFS and tank tasks and do dragon tasks etc? Or claws which you'll only be able to use every 5 mins?

 

To me DFS seems superior until you get spec restores. However, that's only my opinion. (yes i realised I have contradicted myself from my other post before)

 

This complicates the situation.

 

1) I do not have spec restore O_O

 

2) I am wondering wether my dfs will just gather dust in my bank like you said, because of Rune Defender

 

3) Dragon Claws are amazing because i can lend them for all the junk i gather from tasks... you can't lend a dfs =/

 

What are your opinions, following the statements i made?

 

My opinions are thus:

 

1) Do you then feel that D claws are still better than a DDS? Or do you think that on tasks why bother banking it for another spec weapon? (specifically talking about dragon tasks here where you can't use D claws, there may be others).

 

2) Are you going to use the rune defender all the time? Are there any tasks you struggle on and need the extra defence and also what is the rate of dragon tasks you get given/kill in your own time?

 

3) How much income can you generally make off lending D claws then?

[TheAncient]

Inflation is always occuring in runescape. What you saw in the past few months was hyperinflation. U.S. Inflation is around 2% a year - but it's still inflation!

The rate of claw loss isn't that high... most people aren't idiots that go around risking 33M

The rate of claw production, though, is much higher than the rate of visage production.

Inflation is not always occuring. Look at last year when PvP drops were introduced. Prices crashed. Right now, price levels are dropping slowly. That's called deflation.

 

The rate of claw loss is not high, but it is MUCH higher than DFS.

 

A LOT more people slay than hunt TDs. Although a visage is more rare, I'd venture to say that in net, more visages enter than claws. That is after subtracting claws and DFSes lost.

 

The overall trend in RS is inflation in the long run. I misspoke when I said "always occuring" - I just meant that it's very rare to not see inflation over 6-12 month periods.

Anyway, back to my main point: DFS is a better investment. No point in arguing this. Look at the 180 day charts.

 

DFS:

 

Claws:

 

We can only speculate about the droprates and lossrates of the items. To do so is pretty pointless when we already have a pretty clear indicator of past performance.

[DemonicSushi]

 

 

My opinions are thus:

 

1) Do you then feel that D claws are still better than a DDS? Or do you think that on tasks why bother banking it for another spec weapon? (specifically talking about dragon tasks here where you can't use D claws, there may be others).

 

2) Are you going to use the rune defender all the time? Are there any tasks you struggle on and need the extra defence and also what is the rate of dragon tasks you get given/kill in your own time?

 

3) How much income can you generally make off lending D claws then?

 

Thanks very much for the opinions :) here are my answers.

 

1) I VERY RARELY get dragon tasks because I use Summona as my Slayer Master. Therefore Dragon Claws are most of the time a faster way of using my spec bar

 

2) On tasks that i struggle i simply bring a super set and my Bunyip. I do sometimes wish that i had more defence though so that i could tank black demons and such.

 

3) I generally make about 50-100k. but it is not about income it is about gettin rid of junk that won't sell on ge :)

 

So wadya think ?

[TheAncient]

With regard to DDS versus Claws:

 

DDS is most likely better for slayer. Against most slayer monsters the defense is low enough such that the 4 extra DDS hits makes up for the accuracy and power of 2 claw hits.

Claws is better for monster hunting. Most bosses have really high defense, and the accuracy of the claws shines in these situations.

[DemonicSushi]

Inflation is always occuring in runescape. What you saw in the past few months was hyperinflation. U.S. Inflation is around 2% a year - but it's still inflation!

The rate of claw loss isn't that high... most people aren't idiots that go around risking 33M

The rate of claw production, though, is much higher than the rate of visage production.

Inflation is not always occuring. Look at last year when PvP drops were introduced. Prices crashed. Right now, price levels are dropping slowly. That's called deflation.

 

The rate of claw loss is not high, but it is MUCH higher than DFS.

 

A LOT more people slay than hunt TDs. Although a visage is more rare, I'd venture to say that in net, more visages enter than claws. That is after subtracting claws and DFSes lost.

 

The overall trend in RS is inflation in the long run. I misspoke when I said "always occuring" - I just meant that it's very rare to not see inflation over 6-12 month periods.

Anyway, back to my main point: DFS is a better investment. No point in arguing this. Look at the 180 day charts.

 

DFS:

 

Claws:

 

We can only speculate about the droprates and lossrates of the items. To do so is pretty pointless when we already have a pretty clear indicator of past performance.

 

You may be right. However, I am not looking for an investment but for a weapon/piece of armor of luxury that would also be of use to me on my regular basis (i.e. Slayer tasks)

[Ezkaton]

 

 

My opinions are thus:

 

1) Do you then feel that D claws are still better than a DDS? Or do you think that on tasks why bother banking it for another spec weapon? (specifically talking about dragon tasks here where you can't use D claws, there may be others).

 

2) Are you going to use the rune defender all the time? Are there any tasks you struggle on and need the extra defence and also what is the rate of dragon tasks you get given/kill in your own time?

 

3) How much income can you generally make off lending D claws then?

 

Thanks very much for the opinions :) here are my answers.

 

1) I VERY RARELY get dragon tasks because I use Summona as my Slayer Master. Therefore Dragon Claws are most of the time a faster way of using my spec bar

 

2) On tasks that i struggle i simply bring a super set and my Bunyip. I do sometimes wish that i had more defence though so that i could tank black demons and such.

 

3) I generally make about 50-100k. but it is not about income it is about gettin rid of junk that won't sell on ge :)

 

So wadya think ?

 

1) Sseil covered this pretty well. D claws uses seem to primarily lay with boss hunting and PKing where you need a high offensive weapon, whereas they're overkill in slayer. Seeing as you use summona too that goes in favour of selling the claws purely for the fact that you don't use kuradals dungeon. Therefore another aspect of them being used for slayer is lost. From what i mostly hear, and alot of what I've read in this task it seems that claws are only useful for slayer in Kura's dungeon mostly due to the +40 damage on all 4 specs. Therefore DDS on any other slayer master is efficient enough.

 

2) The extra defence of the DFS is good. You might find that you fall in love with the shield like the many people who do buy it too. Also there are +2 extra strength bonus. It could be a bit better with yours levels than a defender maybe. Sure you lose the attack bonus's but you gain perhaps one of the best tanking shields in the games by substituting the defender for DFS.

 

3) So therefore you aren't gaining or losing anything then technically. But all junk eventually sells on GE...... apart from rune darts I get as drops from steels and irons <.< but it just takes time and patience.

[DemonicSushi]

 

 

My opinions are thus:

 

1) Do you then feel that D claws are still better than a DDS? Or do you think that on tasks why bother banking it for another spec weapon? (specifically talking about dragon tasks here where you can't use D claws, there may be others).

 

2) Are you going to use the rune defender all the time? Are there any tasks you struggle on and need the extra defence and also what is the rate of dragon tasks you get given/kill in your own time?

 

3) How much income can you generally make off lending D claws then?

 

Thanks very much for the opinions :) here are my answers.

 

1) I VERY RARELY get dragon tasks because I use Summona as my Slayer Master. Therefore Dragon Claws are most of the time a faster way of using my spec bar

 

2) On tasks that i struggle i simply bring a super set and my Bunyip. I do sometimes wish that i had more defence though so that i could tank black demons and such.

 

3) I generally make about 50-100k. but it is not about income it is about gettin rid of junk that won't sell on ge :)

 

So wadya think ?

 

1) Sseil covered this pretty well. D claws uses seem to primarily lay with boss hunting and PKing where you need a high offensive weapon, whereas they're overkill in slayer. Seeing as you use summona too that goes in favour of selling the claws purely for the fact that you don't use kuradals dungeon. Therefore another aspect of them being used for slayer is lost. From what i mostly hear, and alot of what I've read in this task it seems that claws are only useful for slayer in Kura's dungeon mostly due to the +40 damage on all 4 specs. Therefore DDS on any other slayer master is efficient enough.

 

2) The extra defence of the DFS is good. You might find that you fall in love with the shield like the many people who do buy it too. Also there are +2 extra strength bonus. It could be a bit better with yours levels than a defender maybe. Sure you lose the attack bonus's but you gain perhaps one of the best tanking shields in the games by substituting the defender for DFS.

 

3) So therefore you aren't gaining or losing anything then technically. But all junk eventually sells on GE...... apart from rune darts I get as drops from steels and irons <.< but it just takes time and patience.

 

Ok. I feel like saving up for a Dfs would be wiser than selling Claws for them. Since i do not require a high defence bonus at the immediate present.

[Ezkaton]

 

 

My opinions are thus:

 

1) Do you then feel that D claws are still better than a DDS? Or do you think that on tasks why bother banking it for another spec weapon? (specifically talking about dragon tasks here where you can't use D claws, there may be others).

 

2) Are you going to use the rune defender all the time? Are there any tasks you struggle on and need the extra defence and also what is the rate of dragon tasks you get given/kill in your own time?

 

3) How much income can you generally make off lending D claws then?

 

Thanks very much for the opinions :) here are my answers.

 

1) I VERY RARELY get dragon tasks because I use Summona as my Slayer Master. Therefore Dragon Claws are most of the time a faster way of using my spec bar

 

2) On tasks that i struggle i simply bring a super set and my Bunyip. I do sometimes wish that i had more defence though so that i could tank black demons and such.

 

3) I generally make about 50-100k. but it is not about income it is about gettin rid of junk that won't sell on ge :)

 

So wadya think ?

 

1) Sseil covered this pretty well. D claws uses seem to primarily lay with boss hunting and PKing where you need a high offensive weapon, whereas they're overkill in slayer. Seeing as you use summona too that goes in favour of selling the claws purely for the fact that you don't use kuradals dungeon. Therefore another aspect of them being used for slayer is lost. From what i mostly hear, and alot of what I've read in this task it seems that claws are only useful for slayer in Kura's dungeon mostly due to the +40 damage on all 4 specs. Therefore DDS on any other slayer master is efficient enough.

 

2) The extra defence of the DFS is good. You might find that you fall in love with the shield like the many people who do buy it too. Also there are +2 extra strength bonus. It could be a bit better with yours levels than a defender maybe. Sure you lose the attack bonus's but you gain perhaps one of the best tanking shields in the games by substituting the defender for DFS.

 

3) So therefore you aren't gaining or losing anything then technically. But all junk eventually sells on GE...... apart from rune darts I get as drops from steels and irons <.< but it just takes time and patience.

 

Ok. I feel like saving up for a Dfs would be wiser than selling Claws for them. Since i do not require a high defence bonus at the immediate present.

:thumbup: go for it. sounds like a plan.

[bedman]

It's not just a question whether claws are worth it, it's also a question whether DFS is worth it, which it isn't. I'm not using my DFS on ANY slayer task. Okay, claws won't be as good for you, without using Kuradal's dungeon, and you might be better off selling them, but that doesn't mean you should buy a DFS. Maybe, sell claws and use the money on something more usefull, say 85 herblore.

[DemonicSushi]

It's not just a question whether claws are worth it, it's also a question whether DFS is worth it, which it isn't. I'm not using my DFS on ANY slayer task. Okay, claws won't be as good for you, without using Kuradal's dungeon, and you might be better off selling them, but that doesn't mean you should buy a DFS. Maybe, sell claws and use the money on something more usefull, say 85 herblore.

 

Thanks for the proposition but there is no way im sellin claws and spendin it on a non-99 skill :)

[Ezkaton]

It's not just a question whether claws are worth it, it's also a question whether DFS is worth it, which it isn't. I'm not using my DFS on ANY slayer task. Okay, claws won't be as good for you, without using Kuradal's dungeon, and you might be better off selling them, but that doesn't mean you should buy a DFS. Maybe, sell claws and use the money on something more usefull, say 85 herblore.

 

Thanks for the proposition but there is no way im sellin claws and spendin it on a non-99 skill :)

 

Thought that just for the lulz you should sell them buy up 33m worth of P Ess and force yourself to rc it all and see how far it gets you ^^

[Bladewing]

1: Rune Defender is ALWAYS better than DFS for slayer. Between a bunyip, barrows armor, your 85 defence, and super defence potions (which are AMAZINGLY cheap - if you ever have to eat on a task take these with you instead), you should be taking VERY LITTLE damage except on Mithril Dragons and Waterfiends. Rune Defender is also MUCH better at increasing your damage output.

 

2: Dragon Claws are always better than DDS. They are much more accurate, and have a higher marginal damage output over your whip within their two specials than does the DDS with its four, EVEN WITH turmoil and extremes. You also get 80 more damage from the Ferocious ring per spec bar.

 

2 Dragon claw specs (+160) + 2 whip hits (+80). Total (+240)

4 DDS specs (+160)

[Tact]

If you're serious about slayer, ditch your claws and save up for a SGS. An EE makes a weaker substitute, but I find the prayer restore of a SGS special a great help when using 10% strength boosting prayer.

[DemonicSushi]

 

 

Thought that just for the lulz you should sell them buy up 33m worth of P Ess and force yourself to rc it all and see how far it gets you ^^

 

How far would that get me? Probably 99.

How fat would it make me? I dont wanna know :)

 

1: Rune Defender is ALWAYS better than DFS for slayer. Between a bunyip, barrows armor, your 85 defence, and super defence potions (which are AMAZINGLY cheap - if you ever have to eat on a task take these with you instead), you should be taking VERY LITTLE damage except on Mithril Dragons and Waterfiends. Rune Defender is also MUCH better at increasing your damage output.

 

2: Dragon Claws are always better than DDS. They are much more accurate, and have a higher marginal damage output over your whip within their two specials than does the DDS with its four, EVEN WITH turmoil and extremes. You also get 80 more damage from the Ferocious ring per spec bar.

 

2 Dragon claw specs (+160) + 2 whip hits (+80). Total (+240)

4 DDS specs (+160)

 

Thanks for all the information !!!

Yes i always bring super set with me when i train wether it is slayer or non slayer. For that cheap price everyone should use super pots to enchance their exp/hour.

I do agree that rune defender seems more useful in the majority of cases and yes Bunyip and Torag's definitely does the job for me most of the time :)

[bedman]

It's not just a question whether claws are worth it, it's also a question whether DFS is worth it, which it isn't. I'm not using my DFS on ANY slayer task. Okay, claws won't be as good for you, without using Kuradal's dungeon, and you might be better off selling them, but that doesn't mean you should buy a DFS. Maybe, sell claws and use the money on something more usefull, say 85 herblore.

 

Thanks for the proposition but there is no way im sellin claws and spendin it on a non-99 skill :)

Oh yeah, I forgot you are one of these 99 products.

[DemonicSushi]

It's not just a question whether claws are worth it, it's also a question whether DFS is worth it, which it isn't. I'm not using my DFS on ANY slayer task. Okay, claws won't be as good for you, without using Kuradal's dungeon, and you might be better off selling them, but that doesn't mean you should buy a DFS. Maybe, sell claws and use the money on something more usefull, say 85 herblore.

 

Thanks for the proposition but there is no way im sellin claws and spendin it on a non-99 skill :)

Oh yeah, I forgot you are one of these 99 products.

 

Well i don't like the idea of givin up so much cash and not gettin a cape in return =/

[Aiel]

It's not just a question whether claws are worth it, it's also a question whether DFS is worth it, which it isn't. I'm not using my DFS on ANY slayer task. Okay, claws won't be as good for you, without using Kuradal's dungeon, and you might be better off selling them, but that doesn't mean you should buy a DFS. Maybe, sell claws and use the money on something more usefull, say 85 herblore.

 

Thanks for the proposition but there is no way im sellin claws and spendin it on a non-99 skill :)

Oh yeah, I forgot you are one of these 99 products.

 

Well i don't like the idea of givin up so much cash and not gettin a cape in return =/

and your only 99 is fletching...typical.

[DemonicSushi]

It's not just a question whether claws are worth it, it's also a question whether DFS is worth it, which it isn't. I'm not using my DFS on ANY slayer task. Okay, claws won't be as good for you, without using Kuradal's dungeon, and you might be better off selling them, but that doesn't mean you should buy a DFS. Maybe, sell claws and use the money on something more usefull, say 85 herblore.

 

Thanks for the proposition but there is no way im sellin claws and spendin it on a non-99 skill :)

Oh yeah, I forgot you are one of these 99 products.

 

Well i don't like the idea of givin up so much cash and not gettin a cape in return =/

and your only 99 is fletching...typical.

 

No negative comments in here troll.

 

I am currently working on maxed out melee stats so don't be rude about my current 99 there is nothing wrong with the skill of Fletching.

[Aiel]

It's not just a question whether claws are worth it, it's also a question whether DFS is worth it, which it isn't. I'm not using my DFS on ANY slayer task. Okay, claws won't be as good for you, without using Kuradal's dungeon, and you might be better off selling them, but that doesn't mean you should buy a DFS. Maybe, sell claws and use the money on something more usefull, say 85 herblore.

 

Thanks for the proposition but there is no way im sellin claws and spendin it on a non-99 skill :)

Oh yeah, I forgot you are one of these 99 products.

 

Well i don't like the idea of givin up so much cash and not gettin a cape in return =/

and your only 99 is fletching...typical.

 

No negative comments in here troll.

 

I am currently working on maxed out melee stats so don't be rude about my current 99 there is nothing wrong with the skill of Fletching.

Im not trolling Im stereotyping, not many people enjoy skills such as fletching, and it gives little to no advantage, and therefore you got it to show off, runescape is about fun, dont grind skills you dont enjoy in order to be cool online. I agree with whoever said sell the claws and spend the cash on herblore. xp>gp. and im pretty sure super antifires will help you more with slayer then either a DFS or claws.

[DemonicSushi]

It's not just a question whether claws are worth it, it's also a question whether DFS is worth it, which it isn't. I'm not using my DFS on ANY slayer task. Okay, claws won't be as good for you, without using Kuradal's dungeon, and you might be better off selling them, but that doesn't mean you should buy a DFS. Maybe, sell claws and use the money on something more usefull, say 85 herblore.

 

Thanks for the proposition but there is no way im sellin claws and spendin it on a non-99 skill :)

Oh yeah, I forgot you are one of these 99 products.

 

Well i don't like the idea of givin up so much cash and not gettin a cape in return =/

and your only 99 is fletching...typical.

 

No negative comments in here troll.

 

I am currently working on maxed out melee stats so don't be rude about my current 99 there is nothing wrong with the skill of Fletching.

Im not trolling Im stereotyping, not many people enjoy skills such as fletching, and it gives little to no advantage, and therefore you got it to show off, runescape is about fun, dont grind skills you dont enjoy in order to be cool online. I agree with whoever said sell the claws and spend the cash on herblore. xp>gp. and im pretty sure super antifires will help you more with slayer then either a DFS or claws.

 

I am pretty sure claws are more useful than herblore in most cases.

FYI i got 99 fletching because i was already fletching broad bolts for MASSIVE cash so i decided why not get the few more levels for a cape...

[Aiel]

 

 

It's not just a question whether claws are worth it, it's also a question whether DFS is worth it, which it isn't. I'm not using my DFS on ANY slayer task. Okay, claws won't be as good for you, without using Kuradal's dungeon, and you might be better off selling them, but that doesn't mean you should buy a DFS. Maybe, sell claws and use the money on something more usefull, say 85 herblore.

 

Thanks for the proposition but there is no way im sellin claws and spendin it on a non-99 skill :)

Oh yeah, I forgot you are one of these 99 products.

 

Well i don't like the idea of givin up so much cash and not gettin a cape in return =/

and your only 99 is fletching...typical.

 

No negative comments in here troll.

 

I am currently working on maxed out melee stats so don't be rude about my current 99 there is nothing wrong with the skill of Fletching.

Im not trolling Im stereotyping, not many people enjoy skills such as fletching, and it gives little to no advantage, and therefore you got it to show off, runescape is about fun, dont grind skills you dont enjoy in order to be cool online. I agree with whoever said sell the claws and spend the cash on herblore. xp>gp. and im pretty sure super antifires will help you more with slayer then either a DFS or claws.

 

I am pretty sure claws are more useful than herblore in most cases.

FYI i got 99 fletching because i was already fletching broad bolts for MASSIVE cash so i decided why not get the few more levels for a cape...

 

 

For this scenario it is being assumed you have average slayer gear for your level, and it is being assumed you hit your max hit every time (max hit and average hit are comparable), the effects of super antifire and extreme attacks are also being ignored. It is also being assumed that you are constantly attacking something. As you said you dont use Kuradal, the effects of the Ferocious ring will be ignored.

 

Given:

A whip, dragon claws and a dragon dagger all hit once every ~2.4 seconds, which is equal to 125 hits every 5 minutes

Your max hit with a whip is 352 with super strengths

Your max hit with dragon claws and super strengths is 290-145-82-72=589.

Your max hit with a whip and extreme strengths is 371.

Your max hit with a DDS and extreme strengths is 324x2.

 

Therefore per special bar with super strengths+dragon claws, you deal a max of 43296(whip)+1168(claws)=44474 per special bar.

 

Per special bar with extreme strengths+dragon dagger, you deal a max of 44891(whip)+2592(dagger)=47483 per special bar.

 

even without the accuracy boost, and sped up dragons tasks, you deal a maximum of 3009 more damage per special bar with extremes :thumbup:

[Ezkaton]

Also just to add into this about herblore being better. I think that as Aeil illustrated it would be better for you to get extremes. They ARE more useful than claws. Sure claws you spec. However with extremes you hit higher, more often and what not.

 

And claw are NOT better than herb in most cases ;) You will speed up your tasks more using extremes than claws.

 

Skills > Weapons.

 

Skills last forever ;) weapons..... well, they don't.

[Aiel]

Also just to add into this about herblore being better. I think that as Aeil illustrated it would be better for you to get extremes. They ARE more useful than claws. Sure claws you spec. However with extremes you hit higher, more often and what not.

 

And claw are NOT better than herb in most cases ;) You will speed up your tasks more using extremes than claws.

 

Skills > Weapons.

 

Skills last forever ;) weapons..... well, they don't.

items only last until your power goes out at solo bandos :wall:

[Bladewing]

If you're serious about slayer, ditch your claws and save up for a SGS. An EE makes a weaker substitute, but I find the prayer restore of a SGS special a great help when using 10% strength boosting prayer.

Claws would be better than an SGS.

 

And extremes are better than claws. But the money from claws won't be able to get you there unless you're going to clean herbs. But seeing as you seem to not care for skills I doubt you will want to clean herbs.

[DemonicSushi]

If you're serious about slayer, ditch your claws and save up for a SGS. An EE makes a weaker substitute, but I find the prayer restore of a SGS special a great help when using 10% strength boosting prayer.

Claws would be better than an SGS.

 

And extremes are better than claws. But the money from claws won't be able to get you there unless you're going to clean herbs. But seeing as you seem to not care for skills I doubt you will want to clean herbs.

 

Lol cleaning herbs for herblore 85 is like killing chickens for 99 defence :P

 

Guys you are all WAY off topic. I dont really care about herblore and what not :) sorry if i offended you