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[D. V. Devnull]

I think I've found the problem, but it is by no doing of mine that it is happening. When I go to reply, but I'm not signed in, the page is failing to pass the parameters of where I should return to across to the login screen. Basically, they reach the page that gives the "You're not signed in" Error, but then the link that it gives me to click doesn't pass the parameters to the login page. Is there any way that the error page could be given a login field set, or that it could be adjusted to forcibly pass the parameters as part of the URL? :huh:

 

Again, I've got cookies enabled and the whole 'nine yards'... So whatever is happening to me could be anything from an odd anomaly to an insane rare bug that's only affecting me, and may need to be reported to Invision. :mellow:

 

~D. V. Devnull

 

(p.s.: Quite likely I'm just gonna have to live with this issue, but if possible I'd like to see a resolution. I've only come back for this purpose, and will leave if people start in on me again.)

[obfuscator]

I think I've found the problem, but it is by no doing of mine that it is happening. When I go to reply, but I'm not signed in, the page is failing to pass the parameters of where I should return to across to the login screen. Basically, they reach the page that gives the "You're not signed in" Error, but then the link that it gives me to click doesn't pass the parameters to the login page. Is there any way that the error page could be given a login field set, or that it could be adjusted to forcibly pass the parameters as part of the URL? :huh:

 

Again, I've got cookies enabled and the whole 'nine yards'... So whatever is happening to me could be anything from an odd anomaly to an insane rare bug that's only affecting me, and may need to be reported to Invision. :mellow:

 

~D. V. Devnull

 

(p.s.: Quite likely I'm just gonna have to live with this issue, but if possible I'd like to see a resolution. I've only come back for this purpose, and will leave if people start in on me again.)

I'm not meaning to be rude, but what exactly do you want to be done? And why is it worth it for just one user if it works fine for absolutely everyone else?

[D. V. Devnull]

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I'm not meaning to be rude, but what exactly do you want to be done?

Whatever the heck can be done without driving Tip.It's Forum Admins off a mental cliff... As I said, I've already accepted that I may have to live with this, seeing as the page prior to my login is never the thread that I was at due to issues beyond my control (no matter what I do) in how the login is being handled towards me... Almost as if it doesn't understand how to read what I'm doing, even though I'm doing nothing that modifies behavior. Perhaps it is silently failing to set the cookie (if that's what it uses) here, even though I have nothing blocking it doing so? :(

 

And why is it worth it for just one user if it works fine for absolutely everyone else?

First off, for all any of us know, there are a ton of people experiencing this issue as well, and just not having the mental nerve to pipe up about it. Given that, I could just be one in a small group. :-k

 

Second, why attempt to do something about it? In order to prevent the issue for anyone else, right along with myself. Especially future registrants of the forums. Why assume it is only just one person, when it could be more and we just don't know? :huh:

 

~D. V. "Open minds, please?" Devnull

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As far as can be seen there's no reason why it shouldn't work.It's been tested multiple times by multiple users and at this point you're the only one with the issue. Thus far, our "control group" shows a minute percentage with the issue. Yes, of course it is possible that other users have the issue, but until there's more evidence to prove that it frankly isn't worth making changes for such a tiny percentage of the population.

 

It could certainly be that it is failing to set off a cookie, but as it has been successful in every other environment it is hard to see what can be done on this end. I know you live with strict internet controls at your house, but if possible attempting usage of this function in a different environment could go a long way. Perhaps try at a local library or internet cafe?

 

You also need to bear in mind that it isn't quite as easy as "just making it work for you". I'm sure you are quite aware, but with every change to code you make (particularly something as large as this forum) it's effects are echoed in many locations.

 

As this modification would be something done solely by the admins I doubt they would be able to get support from IPB as I assume they have a clause in their licensing agreement for not providing support to user-created modifications. If this was still phpBB with the enormous amount of resources due to the open source standard, such a modification would be a significantly smaller undertaking.

 

I understand completely that this is a frustrating issue for you, I definitely use this feature often, but I just don't see how it's going to be feasible to change.

[MageUK]

Actually this is a regular feature of IPB and no bugs have been reported regarding it, it works absolutely fine. The problem is on your end.

 

I'm not sure if you understand how PHP works but let me try and give a brief overview of how sessions work in PHP and how this is your browser's/computer's fault.

 

When a PHP session is initiated it will look for a cookie on your system containing a session ID, if this cookie exists, it will use the value from that cookie to load the session into the current PHP scope and use the data saved in that session, if the session does not exist, a new cookie is created with the session ID and a new session is made. As soon as you visit the forum, regardless of what page you visit, if you are logged out - a session is created for you and the current page URL is stored within that session. The ONLY way you can end up logging in and NOT being correctly redirected is if the forum attempts to initiate the session when you go to the login page, and your browser tells it there is no cookie with a session ID, so the forum assumes you visited the login page directly (and did not come from a topic) and so starts a new session for you.

 

When you are logged out, do the URLs have a session ID appended to them or not?

 

For example, when visiting topics/forums, do the URLs look like this:

http://forum.tip.it/forum/7-announcements-rules-and-security-warnings/page__s__55648a506cf5a9d294e1b7620blah

 

Or like this?

http://forum.tip.it/forum/7-announcements-rules-and-security-warnings/

 

Please click around within a few topics before reporting this (do NOT just visit the forum index while logged out and test it, go inside a forum or something first by clicking it from the index).

 

Also, I'm not entirely sure where you're getting this "Error" page about not being able to reply. As far as I can see, the Add Reply/Add New Topic buttons are not clickable unless you are signed in, so you should at that point have to click "Sign In" at the top to be redirected to the login page, no error should happen.

[D. V. Devnull]

<*Skips the massive quote handling and just hits the reply button...*>

 

Okay, not seeing the Session ID on the URLs, even after clicking around about 30-some pages of the forums... Something is stripping it before the pages are ever delivered to me, preventing me from maintaining a session key, or having one when I click. I literally don't have a session key from the moment I arrive, and don't get one with any links on the page. Might be due to the fact that I didn't clear my cookies since PhpBB3, so I'll try clearing all my cookies for these forums while I'm not signed in. Odd that the login/logout works and holds, though, which is what's bugging me about all this. :-k

 

As for the error page, find any post while not signed in. You should see that the little "Reply" button on the posts themselves are available. Clicking it gives me the error page, and a link without any passed parameters for signing in that pretty much acts like a duplicate of the "Sign In" button up above. Might be something in the ACP you'll want to adjust there, unless you want people to be able to directly login to reply to a post? Again, another thing I'll have to clear my cookies to check. :-s

 

~D. V. "Here's to hoping that info helps." Devnull

 

UPDATE:

 

Clearing cookies flat didn't work, only trashed settings kept on this PC for this forum. Session ID is only available for the first page after I reach the forum front, even attempting to sign in from that always drops me back at...

http://forum.tip.it/index.php?

...and without fail to drop me there, even if it was a topic page. I am not getting delivery of anything you're saying this board has in the way of login redirect features, and I absolutely know I've done nothing to prevent this from coming through if it was going to ever work in the first place. Going to check my "about:config" now to make sure that nothing has messed with me in the way of things like "referrer handling" and related. :-|

 

~D. V. "Running out of possibilities here..." Devnull

 

FINAL UPDATE:

 

Checked for referrer-related settings, only found one in my entire "about:config" thingy. (Frustrated enough to be unable to think of a more descriptive word right now.) It is set to literally send referrer data for EVERYTHING, without fail, so I've got no stripping going on here. At this point, I've LITERALLY exhausted everything, every option for diagnostics I have here. :mellow:

 

Unless you can whip out some blazing forum coding magic, whenever time permits for you, I'm permanently "S.O.L." here. I guess I'll have to start making more use of WordPad in important situations. -.-

 

~D. V. "I'm stuffed, aren't I?" Devnull

[Rainy_Day]

D_V_Devnull, please edit your post instead of triple posting in future. :thumbup:

[MageUK]

It's normal for the session ID to not be in the URLs, normally it only stores it in the URLs if it can't save a cookie for you.

 

You didn't specifically say you hit the reply button before (you just said when you logged in that it didn't redirect you), so I thought you may have found a bug that no one else in this topic had tested (because of the exact steps you were taking to reproduce it), but no - I just gave it a test using exactly the same method and it worked fine.

 

Hit Reply to an individual post in this topic while logged out -> Get error message -> Click sign in from error page -> Sign in -> Got redirected to the reply page to write my reply

 

I'm really not sure what else to suggest, as I've tried to explain, the way the forum software stores the redirection details, if there was a problem, everyone would be having it.

[D. V. Devnull]

D_V_Devnull, please edit your post instead of triple posting in future. :thumbup:

Sorry about that triple-post, Rainy_Day ... At the time, I was trying to leave my posts untouched in case of replies inbetween my postings. :anxious:

 

 

It's normal for the session ID to not be in the URLs, normally it only stores it in the URLs if it can't save a cookie for you.

 

You didn't specifically say you hit the reply button before (you just said when you logged in that it didn't redirect you), so I thought you may have found a bug that no one else in this topic had tested (because of the exact steps you were taking to reproduce it), but no - I just gave it a test using exactly the same method and it worked fine.

 

Hit Reply to an individual post in this topic while logged out -> Get error message -> Click sign in from error page -> Sign in -> Got redirected to the reply page to write my reply

 

I'm really not sure what else to suggest, as I've tried to explain, the way the forum software stores the redirection details, if there was a problem, everyone would be having it.

I'm surprised everyone else isn't having this problem. Usually, problems I personally hit upon with software tend to be a mass bug that hits everyone somehow eventually. :?

 

BTW, I DID try all possible ways of logging in. None of them drops me back at the thread I left off at. That was about the time I started this thread. Didn't matter if I directly hit the Sign In at the top, hit a reply button on the page on someone's post, or etc. while logged out. Signing in always dropped me back at the URL that I copied into my posting up above. Maybe something isn't properly set in my forum profile that I've totally missed or don't have access to? (Only place I haven't checked is my profile on these forums, BTW.) :-s

 

~D. V. "Murphy's Law must have it in for me..." Devnull

[MageUK]

D_V_Devnull, please edit your post instead of triple posting in future. :thumbup:

Sorry about that triple-post, Rainy_Day ... At the time, I was trying to leave my posts untouched in case of replies inbetween my postings. :anxious:

 

 

It's normal for the session ID to not be in the URLs, normally it only stores it in the URLs if it can't save a cookie for you.

 

You didn't specifically say you hit the reply button before (you just said when you logged in that it didn't redirect you), so I thought you may have found a bug that no one else in this topic had tested (because of the exact steps you were taking to reproduce it), but no - I just gave it a test using exactly the same method and it worked fine.

 

Hit Reply to an individual post in this topic while logged out -> Get error message -> Click sign in from error page -> Sign in -> Got redirected to the reply page to write my reply

 

I'm really not sure what else to suggest, as I've tried to explain, the way the forum software stores the redirection details, if there was a problem, everyone would be having it.

I'm surprised everyone else isn't having this problem. Usually, problems I personally hit upon with software tend to be a mass bug that hits everyone somehow eventually. :?

 

BTW, I DID try all possible ways of logging in. None of them drops me back at the thread I left off at. That was about the time I started this thread. Didn't matter if I directly hit the Sign In at the top, hit a reply button on the page on someone's post, or etc. while logged out. Signing in always dropped me back at the URL that I copied into my posting up above. Maybe something isn't properly set in my forum profile that I've totally missed or don't have access to? (Only place I haven't checked is my profile on these forums, BTW.) :-s

 

~D. V. "Murphy's Law must have it in for me..." Devnull

 

There's no forum setting or configuration that affects this. It's on by default (there's no option to turn it off), and it's on for everyone.

[D. V. Devnull]

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There's no forum setting or configuration that affects this. It's on by default (there's no option to turn it off), and it's on for everyone.

Okay... there went that wacky idea... :-?

 

Hmm....... Should I try disabling cookies temporarily, and try to force it to browse with session IDs in the URL? :huh:

 

~D. V. Devnull

 

 

(p.s.: Accidentally typed in the wrong password a couple times prior to posting this, because I'd been using other sites I like today and got confused. If you see a hazard alert in the log about my account locking itself, you can safely disregard it.)