No child left unrecruited.

[knives669]

Yeah... All a person would have to do is refuse... kinda weird that they're getting the info. from schools though... :?

[MyPurpleCrayon]

Like I said earlier, I still don't see the problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If they do not get it at the schools, they will get it somewhere else.

[mad4u689]

The problem is that the school administration is being pressured to give away information they should have the right to keep secret; though in this particular case, it may not seem like such a big deal, it's important for schools to be able to maintain their privacy and for the government to not be able to Big Brother everything that happens.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's also a problem when the GOVERNMENT is telemarketing. And not just anyone, but young impressionable teenagers who often may not realize just what they're getting themselves into. People who are enticed by the free stuff they give at college fairs...

[Guest GhostRanger]

The problem is that the school administration is being pressured to give away information they should have the right to keep secret; though in this particular case, it may not seem like such a big deal, it's important for schools to be able to maintain their privacy and for the government to not be able to Big Brother everything that happens.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Schools are government. The schools should not be able to keep private information from the government, as they are run by the government. That just doesn't make sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To compare this to Big Brother is just irresponsible. The government is not listening to phone calls or reading emails - they are just obtaining contact information that is theirs anyway. You live in America - they have the right to know where you live and how to get ahold of you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's also a problem when the GOVERNMENT is telemarketing. And not just anyone, but young impressionable teenagers who often may not realize just what they're getting themselves into. People who are enticed by the free stuff they give at college fairs...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People are also enticed by colleges who call you or send you letters in the mail but no one complains about that. So its okay to do it if you support the cause...but if its a cause you don't support then it shouldn't be okay.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know for a fact that the Army has helped lots of kids be able to pay for college and such. Its an opportunity just that same as anything else and kids in high school should be able to say "I'm not interested" if they aren't. Just like everything else.

[dusqi]

 

 

 

Schools are government. The schools should not be able to keep private information from the government, as they are run by the government. That just doesn't make sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just because the tax part of the government knows how much you(r parents) earn, it doesn't mean that your school has access to that information. Apart from perhaps the intelligence services, the various government departments (in the UK, and I assume in the US as well) don't normally have access to each other's information. If you apply for a college, I assume you have to tell them seperately your financial status, because even government colleges can't just get that information from the tax department.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Every time I fill in a form, even for the government, I have to write my name, address, date of birth, etc.etc. over and over again. Because they don't have that information already. And it's a pain, but at least it means that I know who has my details, and I can choose not to give them to someone if I don't want them to have it.

[MyPurpleCrayon]

The schools are run by our goverment. :roll:

[Guest GhostRanger]

 

 

 

 

Schools are government. The schools should not be able to keep private information from the government, as they are run by the government. That just doesn't make sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just because the tax part of the government knows how much you(r parents) earn, it doesn't mean that your school has access to that information. Apart from perhaps the intelligence services, the various government departments (in the UK, and I assume in the US as well) don't normally have access to each other's information. If you apply for a college, I assume you have to tell them seperately your financial status, because even government colleges can't just get that information from the tax department.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Every time I fill in a form, even for the government, I have to write my name, address, date of birth, etc.etc. over and over again. Because they don't have that information already. And it's a pain, but at least it means that I know who has my details, and I can choose not to give them to someone if I don't want them to have it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everytime I start another year of school, I have to resubmit my information to the school. Its not because the school doesn't have it, its because they want to make sure they have the most updated information available. You're kidding yourself if you don't think every government agency can have access to contact information whenever they need it. How do you think you would be notified if the government ever needed you. If the Selective Services ever needed you? Anyone in my city can look up my address, my principal can, but the military that protects me can't?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is not really private information that only schools have. This is information that countless agencies have record of and even people who aren't in the government can have access to. A government agency bbtaining contact information from another government agency is not spying or any type of "Big Brother" move. To suggest that is ridiculous.

[dusqi]

 

 

 

Everytime I start another year of school, I have to resubmit my information to the school. Its not because the school doesn't have it, its because they want to make sure they have the most updated information available. You're kidding yourself if you don't think every government agency can have access to contact information whenever they need it. How do you think you would be notified if the government ever needed you. If the Selective Services ever needed you? Anyone in my city can look up my address, my principal can, but the military that protects me can't?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- You resubmit your information: they probably give you a sheet with their current information and you just tick the box at the bottom which says that nothing has changed. So of course they already have it. But when you fill out other forms, the information isn't already there - you don't just tick a box to say that the information hasn't changed. That's because you're giving them the information for the first time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- I don't know what the "selective services" is. I don't think we have it in the UK. Or perhaps we have a different name for whatever it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- There are various public databases of addresses and things. The telephone book has records of everyone with a phone number. But it'll just be the number of the person that owns the telephone (your dad/mum), and probably few teenagers are in there. And also, you can opt to not be in it (ex-directory).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I tell my school my mobile phone number. That doesn't mean that I'd expect them to pass it into anyone else. Schools have privacy policies, just like anyone else that has a database of information, and that includes not passing your information on.

[willyhenriksen]

if you see the recruiter come, take your shotgun from the wardrobe and stand with in the door and say n a macho tone "what you want? arrrrr"

 

 

 

they DONT want you in the army

[Guest GhostRanger]

 

 

 

 

Everytime I start another year of school, I have to resubmit my information to the school. Its not because the school doesn't have it, its because they want to make sure they have the most updated information available. You're kidding yourself if you don't think every government agency can have access to contact information whenever they need it. How do you think you would be notified if the government ever needed you. If the Selective Services ever needed you? Anyone in my city can look up my address, my principal can, but the military that protects me can't?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- You resubmit your information: they probably give you a sheet with their current information and you just tick the box at the bottom which says that nothing has changed. So of course they already have it. But when you fill out other forms, the information isn't already there - you don't just tick a box to say that the information hasn't changed. That's because you're giving them the information for the first time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Er...you assumed I "tick a box" with information already there. I don't. If I can get a copy of the sheet I will scan it and show you. Its a completely blank information sheet that I have to fill out completely - even though they already have the information. I know they have the information because they mailed me schedule over the summer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know what the "selective services" is. I don't think we have it in the UK. Or perhaps we have a different name for whatever it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's the draft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- There are various public databases of addresses and things. The telephone book has records of everyone with a phone number. But it'll just be the number of the person that owns the telephone (your dad/mum), and probably few teenagers are in there. And also, you can opt to not be in it (ex-directory).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It also has the address (i.e., contact information) for whoever has registered with it. You can opt out of it, but the government still has the information, do they not?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I tell my school my mobile phone number. That doesn't mean that I'd expect them to pass it into anyone else. Schools have privacy policies, just like anyone else that has a database of information, and that includes not passing your information on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course they have privacy policies. But since they are run by the government, the government dictates their privacy policies. Allowing the Armed Forces to have access to contact information can be a part of your privacy policy. What protest do you have with that?

[logic-is-overrated]

Schools are required to inform you of your right to opt-out of recruitment contacts. If there's nothing on the sheets they send home you can submit some form of writing to them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But even if you do that the military obtains contact information about 11th and 12th graders from driver's license applications, the Selective Service System and commercial vendors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Schools can still disclose certain information about a student without parental consent or the consent of the student. But they have to notify parents and the students of the information that may be released and then give the parents and student time to ask that the information not be disclosed.

 

 

 

Under FERPA this information can include:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

StudentÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s name

 

 

 

Address

 

 

 

Telephone listing

 

 

 

Date and place of birth

 

 

 

Major field of study

 

 

 

Participation in officially recognized activities and sports

 

 

 

Weight and height of members of athletic teams

 

 

 

Dates of attendance

 

 

 

Degrees and awards received

 

 

 

Name of the most recent previous educational agency or institution attended by the student.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I really don't see why anybodys complaining though. It's been 3 almost 4 years. I mean if you're just now finding out about it then obviously it didn't affect you that much.

[Schwarzenegger]

This is being done in public schools right? If so they have every right to do it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now on the other hand if it's private schools it's a completely different story.

[dusqi]

 

 

 

Er...you assumed I "tick a box" with information already there. I don't. If I can get a copy of the sheet I will scan it and show you. Its a completely blank information sheet that I have to fill out completely - even though they already have the information. I know they have the information because they mailed me schedule over the summer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fine. I used to tick a box. Maybe you should suggest to your school that they make new forms that don't waste your time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently you won't believe me when I say that "the government" departments are split up, and don't share information as a default, unless there is specific legislation in place in order to do it.... and that's for a reason - to protect privacy. There is no central database that 'the government' takes information from. Your principal doesn't check your criminal record, despite the police and the education sections being part of "the government".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The crux of the problem is that I wouldn't want my information given to the military from my school, and apparently you don't mind it. It's lucky that you live in America and I live in the UK then. For your information, we don't have "selective services" either.

[Barihawk]

You actually realize that recruiters have been going to high schools for 20 years. My fourth grade had a few military presentations, and that was 10 years ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The NCLB policy lists that in there, but it does not mean every high school student must join the military. My hometown built a skatepark with government funds, so they have to let everyone in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it is the Government's money, they have the right to do whatever they want.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that recruiter is a moron, but I do not disagree with letting recruiters have access to schools. The military is INDEED a career, so students should be given the option of opting for that career.