Quick DPS calculation

[Grimy_Bunyip]

So i'll keep this short, I monster examined a lvl 114 forgotten ranger.

1180 LP

202 Max hits

 

this translates to lvl 118 constitution, 107 range, and 130-133 defense.

 

so after plugging into dps calculations, this translates to:

90% accuracy on 99 def + shadow silk hood

53% accuracy on 99 def + shadow silk hood + primal platebody

34% accuracy on 99 def + shadow silk hood + primal platebody + primal platelegs

 

now lets also assume lvl 132 def on this ranger, and see how prom 2h vs primal 2h vs primal 2h + blood neck fare accuracy wise.

 

this would translate to

41% accuracy with prom 2h

44% with primal 2h

and 46% with primal 2h + blood neck.

 

but this is just theory, the accuracy of 2h on lvl 114 rangers seems somewhat suspect.

Do i really only hit 41% of the time? haven't really dged in a while.

 

anyways just some idle calculations.

[Quyneax]

Primal plate sounds like a good bind to me, should help a ton in mercenary rooms.

 

I don't know about the accuracy figures, but I use a gorg 2h (89 atk) and flash turmoil, seems to hit about half the time, I guess. I don't know what it really is, lol.

[jettrider]

Both the accuracy figures and the max hit are low.

 

I think the problem is that Jagex put the wrong max hit info there (because they can definitely hit higher than 202) which would mean your calculations come out to a lower range and a higher defence, skewing the results. The accuracy rate from a promethium 2h should be almost double that number.

[Quyneax]

You mean higher range and lower defence, right?

[Nifflin]

Yes, if their max hit is higher then their defense would be lower. That makes sense seeing as I know they shredded me when I had a promethium plate bound. At the same time, my accuracy with promethium 2h seemed to be higher then that.

 

Jagex has made mistakes with their monster examine before, it wouldn't be impossible that it would have melee stats and that is what the examine max hit is based off of but only use a ranged attack which is what we see in game.

[Quyneax]

Oh right I remember, monster examine is melee max, right? Someone should turmoil them and see what boost you get.

[Nifflin]

Still wouldn't help, turmoil doesn't boost range does it?

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Still wouldn't help, turmoil doesn't boost range does it?

not the point :P

but im fairly confident the max hit is its ranged max hit.

[Nifflin]

I remember instances in the past though where it gave the incorrect max hit because it used the wrong combat stats to calculate the max hit. Doesn't 202 seem a bit low? It does to me. Anyways, if the max was actually higher it would account for higher accuracy then you calculated as well.

 

Any way to test it other then going into a dung and tanking a crapload of hits from one of these guys?

 

Edit: I checked the ultimate monster examine thread but it's been ages since it was updated and none of the links work. Anyways from the comments I gathered that it can be bugged on monsters that don't use melee. Read for yourself if you'r interested.

 

http://forum.tip.it/topic/117483-jard-y-dookus-new-ultimate-monster-examine-guide-v30/

[jettrider]

You mean higher range and lower defence, right?

 

I said that his calculations right now are using lower ranged and higher defence than the actual values.

[Quyneax]

You mean higher range and lower defence, right?

 

I said that his calculations right now are using lower ranged and higher defence than the actual values.

Ah I see, you meant his old calculations not the hypothetical new ones.

[Zaaps1]

Idk. There's no way I'm only managing 41% accuracy, I hit waaayy more than that with my prom 2h.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Idk. There's no way I'm only managing 41% accuracy, I hit waaayy more than that with my prom 2h.

yeah that's what I thought.

 

It's possible that t11 rangers are using arrows that are only using prom arrows, not sag though.

or that the number is wholly independent. But i think this is unlikely as the numbers are somewhat strange.

 

if we assume promethium arrows, we get lvl 117 ranged.

which would make much more sense.

 

because if we assume that the hexhunter gives +1 range level for every mage level the target has

and we assume tier 11 mages have lvl 117 mage, then we get the *exact* max hit at 99 ranged with sniper ring.

and I think this is elegant and makes sense.

And presumably tier 11 rangers and mages have comparable stats as they are both 114 combat (mages do have lvl 119 hitpoints as opposed to 118 though)

 

So the case seems to be that tier 11 rangers do not use sagittarian arrows, but promethium

 

if we assume promethium, then they have lvl 110-113 defense.

as opposed to 130-133.

 

Additionally, since we do notice much greater accuracy, it may be additionally possible that tier 11 rangers/mages/warriors are actually using tier 10 gear

even though they are depicted with tier 11 gear.