Crossed_Body Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Is it legal if I program some hotkeys to help me smith? For example, F1 presses the mage book, F2 presses superheat, and F3 presses the last ore? Personally, I don't really think that's macroing, since I still have to do everything, just not with a mouse. I mean, mousekeys are allowed, so this should be too? Just trying to clear this up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Crossed_Body Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 Unless things have changed recently, I think that's too much.You're setting one button to move the mouse to a predefined location and click, which is different from mousekeys.Mousekeys is acceptable because it replaces one action (say, moving the mouse left) with one other (holding num_4). So, if I added one more hotkey for clicking, it'd be perfectly fine? Sounds like pesky technicalities to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Crossed_Body Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 I'm not a Jagex representative, and I"m not sure how their detection system works, but I'm pretty sure that having the mouse move to a specific location (as opposed to n pixels in a given direction relative to the current location) isn't allowed. It's exactly the same as having mousekeys moving diagonally n pixels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewing Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 relative coordinate movements are okay absolute coordinate movements are not okay How to Chin Nechyraels for fast XP and profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulli23 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 relative coordinate movements are okay absolute coordinate movements are not okayMouse keys use absolute movement if you look into the workings! First they came to fishingand I didn't speak out because I wasn't fishing Then they came to the yewsand I didn't speak out because I didn't cut yews Then they came for the oresand I didn't speak out because I didn't collect ores Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewing Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 no, they aren't. they move relative to where the pointer already is, lol. How to Chin Nechyraels for fast XP and profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedman Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 relative coordinate movements are okay absolute coordinate movements are not okaySo why is this "wicked" guy not banned? A Guide to Chinning in Ape atoll: up to 325kxp/h! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 One click = once action, that's the rule. Moving is considered a separate action, and as such move + click isn't allowed, in addition to what Bladewing said. So you can use f4 opens mage book (default), then f5 moves the mouse relative to the cross of your bank screen to the superheat icon, then f6 clicks, then f7 moves to the last gold ore (measure the distance and set it) then f8 clicks again. Then you need f9 to move from the gold ore back to the superheat icon and repeat the sequence f6-f7-f8-f9. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossed_Body Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 One click = once action, that's the rule. Moving is considered a separate action, and as such move + click isn't allowed, in addition to what Bladewing said. So you can use f4 opens mage book (default), then f5 moves the mouse relative to the cross of your bank screen to the superheat icon, then f6 clicks, then f7 moves to the last gold ore (measure the distance and set it) then f8 clicks again. Then you need f9 to move from the gold ore back to the superheat icon and repeat the sequence f6-f7-f8-f9. Honestly, I only need one button for clicking, and two to move from superheat to gold ore and back. I already have the book open, and I'm using furnace + superheat, so I bank manualy. Thank you for the input guys, apreciate it. Over 45k gold to smelt, this will come in handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewing Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 relative coordinate movements are okay absolute coordinate movements are not okaySo why is this "wicked" guy not banned?because jagex is clueless How to Chin Nechyraels for fast XP and profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulli23 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 relative coordinate movements are okay absolute coordinate movements are not okaySo why is this "wicked" guy not banned?because jagex is cluelessBecause they can't see the difference between an "relative" and "absolute" movement.. They only see the mouse position at a certain position in time. - But with mouse keys you "jump" the mouse at a given keypress, and you can set the jump values in the registry if necessary.. - So if they allow mousekeys they have to allow the mouse jumping from any point to any point.. And then they won't know wether the jump was "relative" or not. First they came to fishingand I didn't speak out because I wasn't fishing Then they came to the yewsand I didn't speak out because I didn't cut yews Then they came for the oresand I didn't speak out because I didn't collect ores Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossed_Body Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 Because they can't see the difference between an "relative" and "absolute" movement.. They only see the mouse position at a certain position in time. - But with mouse keys you "jump" the mouse at a given keypress, and you can set the jump values in the registry if necessary.. - So if they allow mousekeys they have to allow the mouse jumping from any point to any point.. And then they won't know wether the jump was "relative" or not. My theory is that they can only track time and click coordinates, not mouse movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulli23 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Because they can't see the difference between an "relative" and "absolute" movement.. They only see the mouse position at a certain position in time. - But with mouse keys you "jump" the mouse at a given keypress, and you can set the jump values in the registry if necessary.. - So if they allow mousekeys they have to allow the mouse jumping from any point to any point.. And then they won't know wether the jump was "relative" or not. My theory is that they can only track time and click coordinates, not mouse movement.they do only track the click coordinates & time yes. Though they can track the mouse position at any point if they would like. (Though why would they? - it's a huge waste of bandwidth to do that). They can however NOT track wether a movement was "relative" or "absolute". First they came to fishingand I didn't speak out because I wasn't fishing Then they came to the yewsand I didn't speak out because I didn't cut yews Then they came for the oresand I didn't speak out because I didn't collect ores Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossed_Body Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 They can however NOT track wether a movement was "relative" or "absolute".That depends on how the absolute movement is programmed... But I'm not going to argue that here, that's for the bot makers to worry about. My question has been answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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