July 9, 201312 yr I am still struggling to understand exactly how EOC bonuses work, so I tried comparing similar dual-wield setups with melee and magic.I have maxed combat stats (since prayer is apparently no longer a combat stat) The equip screen shows that t80 + t72 with melee has damage of 934 + 428 = 1362, and t70 + t70 magic with fire surge has a damage of 1030 + 515 = 1545. I mostly slay (sub out the hat) so I doubt that the small difference in accuracy matters. Does this mean that magic is better? I also compared 2handers, and saw 2003 damage for t80 melee and 2111 damage for t77 magic. Also I am assuming that blood or ice barrage would increase the magic damage further, is that correct? Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20
July 9, 201312 yr I believe that your magic setup will do tier-90 damage (don't quote me on this, too many nerfs to keep up). Damage is also related to weapon speed. Weapons with equal level requirements should have equal DPS. My blog
July 9, 201312 yr No it won't, the damage of spells is capped based on the tier of the weapon. Basically, for magic, go by the tier of the weapon, not the spell you have equipped. 6,924th to 30 hunting, 13,394th to 30 summoning, 52,993rd to 30 DivinationKiln Record (Post-EoC): W 25 - L 0, 14 Uncut Onyx, 8 Jad hits received (Best record: Two in the same kiln)Obby set renewed post update #2: 0QBD drops: 21 crossbow parts, 3 Visages, 1 Kites, 2 KitsMax Port Score [2205] Achieved: 27th April 2013 (World 2nd) Farmyard Rampage ranking: 12th, 50,000 Kills. Dragon Pickaxe Drops: 1 (Times after I first entered Battlefield: 2h)
July 9, 201312 yr No it won't, the damage of spells is capped based on the tier of the weapon. Basically, for magic, go by the tier of the weapon, not the spell you have equipped. Then why does his magic damage on mainhand say 1030, while in armadyl+ascensions (t90) I also get 1030 damage? My blog
July 9, 201312 yr Lying Character sheet. I already tested it personally. For T70 wand at least, equipping Air Surge has the exact same wrack damage as Fire surge, despite description saying they should have approximately 8-9% difference. I has assumed before that T90 Spells were completely independent of weapon, I tested it and proved myself wrong. 6,924th to 30 hunting, 13,394th to 30 summoning, 52,993rd to 30 DivinationKiln Record (Post-EoC): W 25 - L 0, 14 Uncut Onyx, 8 Jad hits received (Best record: Two in the same kiln)Obby set renewed post update #2: 0QBD drops: 21 crossbow parts, 3 Visages, 1 Kites, 2 KitsMax Port Score [2205] Achieved: 27th April 2013 (World 2nd) Farmyard Rampage ranking: 12th, 50,000 Kills. Dragon Pickaxe Drops: 1 (Times after I first entered Battlefield: 2h)
July 10, 201312 yr No it won't, the damage of spells is capped based on the tier of the weapon. Basically, for magic, go by the tier of the weapon, not the spell you have equipped.Lying Character sheet. I already tested it personally. For T70 wand at least, equipping Air Surge has the exact same wrack damage as Fire surge, despite description saying they should have approximately 8-9% difference. I has assumed before that T90 Spells were completely independent of weapon, I tested it and proved myself wrong. Your information got me curious, so I went and collected data from 1000 auto-attacks, split 50-50 between Wand of Treachery (lvl70) and Master Wand (lvl60). The data I collected implies that, for auto-attacks with wands, magic damage is not capped. My max, non-critical, damage is 958 with Master Wand and 961 with Wand of Treachery, which matches the 961 listed on my status screen. Damage Frequency MW-L60 WoT-L700~10% 43 4110~20% 35 5620~30% 45 4430~40% 46 5440~50% 35 4250~60% 48 4360~70% 45 5370~80% 44 4080~90% 38 4090~100% 45 35Criticals 76 52 A copy of my data here http://pastebin.com/hsnCv0M6 Based on your test and mine, we can conclude:Magic auto-attack: Not capped for magic wands, status screen is accurateMagic abilities: Capped by weapon tier.Back to OP's question: Assuming your accuracy is sufficiently high that you won't miss, and you heavily rely on auto-attacks (as in using momentum for slaying), you'll deal more dps with magic than melee. All I learned in life, I learned on Tip.it
July 10, 201312 yr Which, leads to me to conclude about how the game actually deals damage... Auto attacks takes the damage of the weapon/spell directly, meaning that T90 magic auto attacks will do what it says on the Tin. Abilities however deal by the Tier of the weapon, and not the normalised weapon we assumed before (however this part leads to more perculiarities than answers, because it means there should not be any difference between weapons of the same tier, yet it does, or rather, it did)... 6,924th to 30 hunting, 13,394th to 30 summoning, 52,993rd to 30 DivinationKiln Record (Post-EoC): W 25 - L 0, 14 Uncut Onyx, 8 Jad hits received (Best record: Two in the same kiln)Obby set renewed post update #2: 0QBD drops: 21 crossbow parts, 3 Visages, 1 Kites, 2 KitsMax Port Score [2205] Achieved: 27th April 2013 (World 2nd) Farmyard Rampage ranking: 12th, 50,000 Kills. Dragon Pickaxe Drops: 1 (Times after I first entered Battlefield: 2h)
July 10, 201312 yr Author That's an interesting and overly complicated system. Thank you all for the help, I will have to try an abyssal demon task later with barrage to see how much that recent nerf slowed it down. Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20
July 10, 201312 yr Actually that's probably the simplest way they can do with it, except it also gave unintended consequences due to the fact that You can over tier damage with respect to gear, which you can't do with ranged or Melee. But I feel a little iffy, It doesn't explain why I have been killing Barrow brothers as fast on Ah Book/wand as ABS though... 6,924th to 30 hunting, 13,394th to 30 summoning, 52,993rd to 30 DivinationKiln Record (Post-EoC): W 25 - L 0, 14 Uncut Onyx, 8 Jad hits received (Best record: Two in the same kiln)Obby set renewed post update #2: 0QBD drops: 21 crossbow parts, 3 Visages, 1 Kites, 2 KitsMax Port Score [2205] Achieved: 27th April 2013 (World 2nd) Farmyard Rampage ranking: 12th, 50,000 Kills. Dragon Pickaxe Drops: 1 (Times after I first entered Battlefield: 2h)
July 10, 201312 yr Actually that's probably the simplest way they can do with it, except it also gave unintended consequences due to the fact that You can over tier damage with respect to gear, which you can't do with ranged or Melee. But I feel a little iffy, It doesn't explain why I have been killing Barrow brothers as fast on Ah Book/wand as ABS though... When I switched to WoT+Ahrim book I also noticed this. Even though you switch T77 to T70, it feels more like switching T77 to T80. Comparable damage output, DW FTW. R.I.P. oO000oO0oO00, RS2 range pure transformed to a maxed PvM char in EoC, ten years of time completely wasted.Good to be gone :)
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