Nope. Now answer my question.

 

 

 

There's no need to. You agree that they have a reason to censor those words and why? Because kids frequent these forums. The same logic applies to censorship on anything.

 

 

 

You asked if they got a reason to censor those words? I said No. That means they haven't got a reason to censor those words. So, answer my question.

No, I ask if you're telling me that they have no reason to censor, and you said nope. I took it as 'nope, I'm not telling you that they have no reason to censor.'

 

 

 

Why should children be 'protected' for those 'nasty' words? Because they're children. Values that are taught at a young age helps shape what s/he will become in the future. Kids are easily influenced at their age. If they think it's alright to use profanity, it would be hard to shake that off when they get older. Once they get used to that kind of language and think it's the norm, then what are they? Nothing less than profane, racist, and sexist.

Why should children be 'protected' for those 'nasty' words? Because they're children. Values that are taught at a young age helps shape what s/he will become in the future. Kids are easily influenced at their age. If they think it's alright to use profanity, it would be hard to shake that off when they get older. Once they get used to that kind of language and think it's the norm, then what are they? Nothing less than profane, racist, and sexist.

 

 

 

Because they can hear those lyrics doesn't mean it will be the language they always use. It's the parents task to bring up their children properly, if done correct they really don't have to worry their children listening to 'nasty' words. The entire concept of 'nasty' words is lame. You can say "let's have sex", but you can't say the "let's F word", they mean exactly the same, only the word is different. It doesn't make sense. Besides it's the parent's responsibility, not the artists. Me and my brother have always listened to uncensored music, I bet you have as well. And I can't say I'm a profane, racist or sexist person. And for as much I know you, you don't seem to be either. And to be completely honest: I don't know anybody in friends(which has got a large variety) or family who is. And they ALL listen and listened to uncensored music WITH 'dirty' WORDS.

America had more freedoms and was much more open minded during the Clinton administration.

 

 

 

So tell me again how exactly America has become a fascist theocracy?

 

 

 

During the last republican administrations? I mean, you don't see Clinton invading countries without UN approval and arresting people without any evidences/trial.

 

 

 

And it still wasn't all that open minded, face a sexual scandal has almost led the president to an impeachment.

 

 

 

No western country would want their government to have that kind of reputation.

 

 

 

Oh really? I wouldn't mind if brazilian governors went [bleep]ing at night instead of stealing public money. I bet everyone in Latin America and problably eastern Europe thinks the same way.

 

 

 

Yes, it has gotten more lax, but not as much as other countries that have about the same amount of information avaliable for the people, such as Canada and european countries. That makes the US more conservative, when comparing them to other countries on the same level.

 

 

 

Compare countries on the same level? Alright, go compare China and the US.

 

 

 

I didn't say China. China is 100 times more authoritharian than the US. I've said Canada and West Europe.

 

By level I mean HDI levels, not landmass.

 

 

 

So what if some countries make the US more conservative? It's still leagues away from being a fascist theocracy.

 

 

 

My point here is that the US are way too much of a fascist theocracy to supposedly be the land of freedom and justice, and the spreader of liberty.

 

 

 

(of course there's no way you can argue that "In Phillipines, people are much more conservative", since people there don't have as much information and culture, things that has led the world to a mind opening process, historically.

 

 

 

One thing people shouldn't do is argue with me about the Philippines :lol: And you do not talk about it when you have zero knowledge on how the country works.

 

 

 

One thing you do not say is that Philippines has no culture. Of the past invasions and connections, the Philippines culture is RICH compared to most countries. A combination of Chinese-Spanish-American history, not to mention the hundreds of native tribes that exist there.

 

 

 

Just how rich is Philippine's culture? 170 different languages exist in the Philippines. Brazil has how many? Not to mention that of the South-East Asian countries, the Philippines is so unlike the other Oriental countries such as China, Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc.

 

 

 

You want history? How about the fact that the Philippines was invaded by the Spanish, Japanese and the Americans and has been independent for over a century now.

 

 

 

Even though Philippines is a third world country, it's not exactly opressed. Information is everywhere there.

 

 

 

Phillipines as in Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Indonesia, Serbia, India...

 

In those countries, information is everywhere if you are elite. If you are poor, you don't have that much access. And the poor population is the majority in those countries.

 

With Internet, information is now everywhere, but you must have the means to access it.

 

And what I can't understand is: why is America so conservative, face they have full access to information?

 

 

 

As I said, it is not a literal fascist theocracy, obviously, since people still have the right to vote for open minded candidates, and they chose not to.

 

 

 

"He was so right, though. America has really became a fascist theocracy. " ??? What?

 

 

 

I've explained above why the US are much more fascist than the same leveled HDI countries.

 

It's much more of a theocracy than those countries because of the amount of fanatic christians that send their kids to be alienated in Christian Schools.

 

 

 

Do you know how late the US is on laxing sex on TV? Brazil has been ruled by a right wing dictatorship for over 30 years, on the 60s 70s and 80s, and we still weren't as restrictive to sex as the US was just some years ago.

 

 

 

We're not arguing how late the US became lax on sex. We're discussing how the US really did become a fascist theocracy. You're really not proving your point.

 

 

 

By telling me the US did become lax on sex as the years passed by, you're only disproving your statement that the US really did become a fascist theocracy.

 

 

 

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were the one talking about sex.

 

 

 

You've never seen TV shows where man go out to * with no commitment? Whoa.

 

 

 

I don't think I remember watching a male version of Desperate Housewives or Sex and the City. Care to remind me?

 

Most movies and sitcoms are about men getting laid.

During the last republican administrations? I mean, you don't see Clinton invading countries without UN approval and arresting people without any evidences/trial.

 

 

 

Yeah and?

 

 

 

Oh really? I wouldn't mind if brazilian governors went * at night instead of stealing public money. I bet everyone in Latin America and problably eastern Europe thinks the same way.

 

 

 

I don't think you understand what kind of Western society I meant. Brazil is a 3rd world country. Uncomparable to the US, Canada, Australia, or Britain.

 

 

 

My point here is that the US are way too much of a fascist theocracy to supposedly be the land of freedom and justice, and the spreader of liberty.

 

 

 

How is the US not just or free? And since when did the US claim to be the spreader of liberty?

 

 

 

Phillipines as in Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Indonesia, Serbia, India...

 

In those countries, information is everywhere if you are elite. If you are poor, you don't have that much access. And the poor population is the majority in those countries.

 

With Internet, information is now everywhere, but you must have the means to access it.

 

And what I can't understand is: why is America so conservative, face they have full access to information?

 

 

 

Wrong again. I told you to stop talking about things that you do not know. Thinking that the internet is the only way to receive information is ignorant. Of all the years I lived in the Philippines, I'm up to date with every current events, and not once did I use the computer for news. It does not work like that in the Philippines.

 

 

 

I've explained above why the US are much more fascist than the same leveled HDI countries.

 

 

 

US is more stricter, sure, but again, still leagues away from being an actual theocracy.

 

 

 

It's much more of a theocracy than those countries because of the amount of fanatic christians that send their kids to be alienated in Christian Schools.

 

 

 

Once again, you do not talk about things you do not know. Do you know how Christian schools work? No. I go to a Catholic school myself and I'm not 'alienated' Lol, is that what you really think about Christian schools?

 

 

 

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were the one talking about sex.

 

 

 

Want me to explain how this works? You're trying to prove that the US is a fascist theocracy like you called it. By saying that "the US is on laxing sex on TV", you're only disproving your point.

 

 

 

Most movies and sitcoms are about men getting laid.

 

 

 

Oh jeez, why can't you just give a name?

 

 

 

Seriously though, stop bashing the US everytime you can. A huge number of people here are Americans and it's disgusting to see bull [cabbage] like that.

This topic isn't about America. Neither is it about Christian schools in America or the availability and accesability of information in the Phillipines. If you want to talk about that: open a topic in Off Topic or take it into PM.

Because they can hear those lyrics doesn't mean it will be the language they always use. It's the parents task to bring up their children properly, if done correct they really don't have to worry their children listening to 'nasty' words. The entire concept of 'nasty' words is lame. You can say "let's have sex", but you can't say the "let's F word", they mean exactly the same, only the word is different. It doesn't make sense. Besides it's the parent's responsibility, not the artists. Me and my brother have always listened to uncensored music, I bet you have as well. And I can't say I'm a profane, racist or sexist person. And for as much I know you, you don't seem to be either. And to be completely honest: I don't know anybody in friends(which has got a large variety) or family who is. And they ALL listen and listened to uncensored music WITH 'dirty' WORDS.

 

 

 

You just said 'it's the parent's responsibility' I agree with that a lot. But parents still need help to keep their children away from things like that. Like I said, since songs do not have ratings where parents can see whether the song is right for their children.

 

 

 

IMO, the main thing that children need to understand is that swearing is a taboo. In their young mind, as long as they think that 'that word is bad, it will get me in trouble', it would help keep the children from growing up as profane, racist, or sexist. But if the parents, or anyone, do not bother to do something against these words in the children's heads, they will think swearing is normal and not use it in discretion.

Parents are helped with the parental advisory sticker. Seeing that sticker shows that the music isn't realy for children. They can decide for theirselves, weither they want their children to hear it. With good education and parental guidence you can help children to understand that not every black man is a "[racist term] from da westsaid who glocks his 8MM" (or w/e). But who decides what a 'bad' word is, and why is it bad? Why can't you say the F word? What is so bad about it?

A quick read at your post gave me the answer I looked for.

 

I agree with Daan, this thread is about censorship in art, take it to DW if you want to.

 

 

 

Back in the censorship topic.

 

I think parental stickers are enough advising wise, and parents, if responsible, will be able to tell what their kids can and can't watch/listen.

 

There's no problem with the F word, IMO. I even think kids wouldn't use it as much when they find the word out if there was no "halo" around it. Because there's always the thrill in using "forbidden" words and doing forbidden things when you're a child.

 

Of course you don't want kids watching hardcore porn, but I don't think words and concepts should be that much of a problem.

Parents are helped with the parental advisory sticker. Seeing that sticker shows that the music isn't realy for children. They can decide for theirselves, weither they want their children to hear it. With good education and parental guidence you can help children to understand that not every black man is a "(slap me, i'm racist) from da westsaid who glocks his 8MM" (or w/e). But who decides what a 'bad' word is, and why is it bad? Why can't you say the F word? What is so bad about it?

 

 

 

Let me get your opinion straight first. So words are just words, right? No word should be censored?

 

 

 

I agree with Daan, this thread is about censorship in art, take it to DW if you want to.

 

 

 

Now you're just being an [wagon]. You're the one who started the whole thing.

The thread owner is asking us to stop.

 

I haven't started it, all I made was a side comment on the video...

Let me get your opinion straight first. So words are just words, right? No word should be censored?

 

 

 

Correct.

I'm against censorship in music, it's an art from and an expression. There should be freedom in music to say what you want and express your feelings without fear or reprisal.

 

 

 

If you don't like the language in music, don't listen to it, no one is forcing you. Personally I think the swearing used in a lot of r n b is over the top and unnecessary, in my opinion, but I respect the rapper as an artist (kinda) and it's his art, not mine, if I don't get it that's fine it's my problem not his.