Guest GhostRanger Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 IMO relgion and science shouldnt be mixed. Relgion is finding out about yourself and learning a way to live. Science is about finding out about the universe in which we live. Christianity isn't about finding out about yourself - and that is a pretty big religion to leave out in your definition. Whats it about then? Jesus, primarily. An easy way to figure that out would be by looking at the word: Christianity. There's more to it, of course - but it pretty much centers around Jesus saving everyone from eternal damnation. Yea dont you take jesus as a role model and live your life around him? Which is a way to live, if im not mistaken... I never disagreed about "how to live" - I said it's not about "finding out about yourself." And still, living like Christ is a big part of Christianity - but it's not what it's about. Living like Christ is something that comes after you understand and accept the bigger concpepts - which not only have to do with God creating the laws of science but also have to do with salvation and such. Your definition of religion in comparison to science is just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 IMO relgion and science shouldnt be mixed. Relgion is finding out about yourself and learning a way to live. Science is about finding out about the universe in which we live. Christianity isn't about finding out about yourself - and that is a pretty big religion to leave out in your definition. Whats it about then? Jesus, primarily. An easy way to figure that out would be by looking at the word: Christianity. There's more to it, of course - but it pretty much centers around Jesus saving everyone from eternal damnation. Yea dont you take jesus as a role model and live your life around him? Which is a way to live, if im not mistaken... I never disagreed about "how to live" - I said it's not about "finding out about yourself." And still, living like Christ is a big part of Christianity - but it's not what it's about. Living like Christ is something that comes after you understand and accept the bigger concpepts - which not only have to do with God creating the laws of science but also have to do with salvation and such. Your definition of religion in comparison to science is just silly. Its not a definition its an opinion, which i said right at the start (In my opinion). You're saying your opinion, neither of us is right or wrong. You are living like Jesus from the moment you are born (as a christian, muslin, sikh, taking examples). Christians get baptised, Muslims get circumcised(sp?), Sikhs are not allowed to cut their hair and carry a dagger around with them. Religion was "thought up" (used loosely) in prehistoric times, Sun gods Rain gods, something to "keep them going" or acting as something giving them the will to live on, or perhaps a set of rules to precent collapse of civillisation. Religious people live their lives based around the role models of their religion, Jesus, Abraham (sp?) Mohammed (pbuh) and others. Most relgions have a holy book, or teachers, teaching them how to live their life in accordance to their religion. Through this, you find out about yourself, and how you fit in and you develop your own opinions and views. Im not up for being flamed or whatever, this is merely a discussion... Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Its not a definition its an opinion, which i said right at the start (In my opinion). You're saying your opinion, neither of us is right or wrong. Oh, I guess I was confused. Last time I checked people don't give opinions about things that already have factual definitions. You are living like Jesus from the moment you are born (as a christian, muslin, sikh, taking examples). Christians get baptised, Muslims get circumcised(sp?), Sikhs are not allowed to cut their hair and carry a dagger around with them. Doesn't make it "what it's all about." Religion was "thought up" (used loosely) in prehistoric times, Except that if you subscribe to a religion, you don't believe it was "thought up" at all. God actually exists. Jesus is actually our Savior. Nobody "thought it up" because it's real. Sun gods Rain gods, something to "keep them going" or acting as something giving them the will to live on, or perhaps a set of rules to precent collapse of civillisation. Religious people live their lives based around the role models of their religion, Jesus, Abraham (sp?) Mohammed (pbuh) and others. Most relgions have a holy book, or teachers, teaching them how to live their life in accordance to their religion. Through this, you find out about yourself, and how you fit in and you develop your own opinions and views. I will agree that some religions are about finding out about yourself - but not Christianity. And I didn't disagree that Christians try to live like Jesus - but you clearly know little about the faith if you think that that is what our religion is about. Im not up for being flamed or whatever, this is merely a discussion... You're apparently not up for intelligent discussion... but I'd be interested to read more of your "opinions" that go against actual "facts." Maybe you and Bam could start a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragen Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 IMO relgion and science shouldnt be mixed. Relgion is finding out about yourself and learning a way to live. Science is about finding out about the universe in which we live. Christianity isn't about finding out about yourself - and that is a pretty big religion to leave out in your definition. Whats it about then? Jesus, primarily. An easy way to figure that out would be by looking at the word: Christianity. There's more to it, of course - but it pretty much centers around Jesus saving everyone from eternal damnation. Yea dont you take jesus as a role model and live your life around him? Which is a way to live, if im not mistaken... I never disagreed about "how to live" - I said it's not about "finding out about yourself." And still, living like Christ is a big part of Christianity - but it's not what it's about. Living like Christ is something that comes after you understand and accept the bigger concpepts - which not only have to do with God creating the laws of science but also have to do with salvation and such. Your definition of religion in comparison to science is just silly. I view it the other way round. You can believe in God and creation and w/e all you want, but if you never follow the example of Jesus and help those in need. You're going to hell. And if you spend your entire life doing sundays at the homeless shelter and are a keen athesist, 'God' wont punish you. Thanks Venomai for this super sig and Kwimbob for the awesome avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 The relation between Religion and Science is a fact? Perhaps there are some relations, in my opinion they should not be mixed. So, all the 1000's of relgions are real and true and each has a god/multiple gods that exists somewhere? Or are you saying that Christianity is true and all the rest not, which, i dont know how to say it, sounds a bit wrong to me. How do you choose which religion, or were you just grown up in the christian family? Faith? Christianity is just about the resurrection of jesus and his sacrifice to humanity to save them all from going to hell and to give them a chance to get into heaven. So you live like Jesus to get into heaven? Dont insult my intelligence, its not needed. Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I view it the other way round. You can believe in God and creation and w/e all you want, but if you never follow the example of Jesus and help those in need. You're going to hell. And if you spend your entire life doing sundays at the homeless shelter and are a keen athesist, 'God' wont punish you. Your entire belief goes against everything written in the Bible so it must not be about Christianity at all. The relation between Religion and Science is a fact? Perhaps there are some relations, in my opinion they should not be mixed. The relation is that Christianity believes God created the scientific laws you study. So, all the 1000's of relgions are real and true and each has a god/multiple gods that exists somewhere? Or are you saying that Christianity is true and all the rest not, which, i dont know how to say it, sounds a bit wrong to me. How do you choose which religion, or were you just grown up in the christian family? I was indoctrinated from birth, actually. And the other 1000's of religions are wrong, to put it simply. Faith? Christianity is just about the resurrection of jesus and his sacrifice to humanity to save them all from going to hell and to give them a chance to get into heaven. So you live like Jesus to get into heaven? Has nothing to do with living like Jesus to get into Heaven. The premise is this: you believe in Jesus and what he did and said. If you do that, living like him is a natural course of action that follows. Dont insult my intelligence, its not needed. Please be intelligent. It is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Wasnt Jesus a Jew? And you're saying Jews are wrong too? Your views are the ones that start wars. The Bible is not fact, it was written by humans through word of mouth or other methods, it it not fact at all. Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Wasnt Jesus a Jew? And you're saying Jews are wrong too? Once again you show how little you know about Christianity. Judaism preceeded Christiianity. Christ coming to save the world was a Jewish prophecy. Some Jews accepted Christ as their savior - Christianity - and some didn't - modern day Judaism - they are still waiting for their savior. Your views are the ones that start wars. Actually, because I believe the teachings of Jesus, which you have apparently never read, my views start peace. The Bible is not fact, it was written by humans through word of mouth or other methods, it it not fact at all. Science is not fact, it is observed and recorded by humans through word of mouth or other methods, it is not fact at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I never said Science was fact. Also, telling 3/4 of the worlds population their way of life is wrong, isnt the way to go about peace. Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Wasnt Jesus a Jew? And you're saying Jews are wrong too? Your views are the ones that start wars. The Bible is not fact, it was written by humans through word of mouth or other methods, it it not fact at all. Every major historical event of the Bible is proven correct. I am talking about empires, borders, and wars. For many of these wars, the Bible is the most detailed and historically correct recantation of the events. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I never said Science was fact. So then they are related! They are both mythical attempts to explain how we got here! Also, telling 3/4 of the worlds population their way of life is wrong, isnt the way to go about peace. It is if you do it in a peaceful way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I never said Science was fact. So then they are related! They are both mythical attempts to explain how we got here! Also, telling 3/4 of the worlds population their way of life is wrong, isnt the way to go about peace. It is if you do it in a peaceful way. Just the fact that neither are fact does not make them related. There is no peaceful way in telling someone is wrong, you thought i was wrong in just saying a broad comment on religion and you went very critical and "insulting". Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Oh and Id also like to ask, what makes your relgion right, and all the others wrong? Double post :o , sue me. Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I never said Science was fact. So then they are related! They are both mythical attempts to explain how we got here! Also, telling 3/4 of the worlds population their way of life is wrong, isnt the way to go about peace. It is if you do it in a peaceful way. Just the fact that neither are fact does not make them related. There is no peaceful way in telling someone is wrong, you thought i was wrong in just saying a broad comment on religion and you went very critical and "insulting". 1. Both attempt to explain the origins of our universe and both are mythical according to you - that makes them related. 2. Only an immature prat would get violent if someone told them they thought their belief was wrong. Heck - you're telling me that you think my belief is wrong by telling me the Bible isn't fact - maybe it's beliefs like YOURS that start wars! You should quit telling people you think their beliefs are wrong! Afterall, an overwhelming majority of humanity practices some form of religion - and you sit here telling them all they are wrong. Quit trying to start wars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 IMO relgion and science shouldnt be mixed. Relgion is finding out about yourself and learning a way to live. Science is about finding out about the universe in which we live. Im saying they shouldnt be mixed. 2. Only an immature prat would get violent if someone told them they thought their belief was wrong. Heck - you're telling me that you think my belief is wrong by telling me the Bible isn't fact - maybe it's beliefs like YOURS that start wars! You should quit telling people you think their beliefs are wrong! Afterall, an overwhelming majority of humanity practices some form of religion - and you sit here telling them all they are wrong. Quit trying to start wars! Youre telling billions of people their belief is wrong :? Plus, i cant remember saying relgions were wrong, thats what you were doing. Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 2. Only an immature prat would get violent if someone told them they thought their belief was wrong. Heck - you're telling me that you think my belief is wrong by telling me the Bible isn't fact - maybe it's beliefs like YOURS that start wars! You should quit telling people you think their beliefs are wrong! Afterall, an overwhelming majority of humanity practices some form of religion - and you sit here telling them all they are wrong. Quit trying to start wars! Youre telling billions of people their belief is wrong :? Plus, i cant remember saying relgions were wrong, thats what you were doing. You said the Bible isn't fact. There are billions of Christians who believe the Bible is fact. You are telling them they are wrong. Telling people they are wrong, according to you is not peaceful, and is the type of belief that starts wars. According to everything you have said - you are trying to start wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 From what i know, believing what humans wrote form their experiences cannot be fact? (which is the bible) I know many a christian including a vicar who also says that the bible cannot be taken to be fact. Perhaps some christians (eg you) will get angry over this, perhaps its justified as you have believed it since birth and dont know any different. However, telling people your relgion is right, and their relgion is wrong, is one of the main causes of war in history. Perhaps me telling you that your holy book is wrong will cause you to start a war with me. But what will you fight against, my opinion? Since i dont believe in any "higher being" that controls us and which i must "dedicate" my life to. Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 From what i know, believing what humans wrote form their experiences cannot be fact? (which is the bible) I know many a christian including a vicar who also says that the bible cannot be taken to be fact. Perhaps some christians (eg you) will get angry over this, perhaps its justified as you have believed it since birth and dont know any different. However, telling people your relgion is right, and their relgion is wrong, is one of the main causes of war in history. Perhaps me telling you that your holy book is wrong will cause you to start a war with me. But what will you fight against, my opinion? Since i dont believe in any "higher being" that controls us and which i must "dedicate" my life to. I'm going to attempt to sort through your grumbling in order to respond. It's difficult to respond to someone who makes such little sense. Yes, there are some Christians who don't believe all of the Bible can be taken literally. But EVERY Christian believes the part in the Bible that says Jesus died for their sins and is the savior of the world. Since you think that is wrong, you think what Christianity is about is wrong. Once again, you telling me that my religion is wrong is no different than me telling other people their religion is wrong. I assume you are a peaceful person, but according to you - you telling me my religion is wrong is NOT peaceful and could cause a war. I happen to disagree with that statement, but you said it, not me. If you plan to stand by your assertion that my belief that other religions are wrong CANNOT be peaceful and is the type of belief that starts wars, you must accept that statement about your own beliefs as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 So tell me, why is your religion right and everyone elses wrong? & you did seem to get angry when i said the bible was not fact Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionheart_0 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Ok, can we get away from this stupid religion debate again. Everyone needs to cool it. Anyways, there are plenty of theory's out there that will never be proven. Such as gravity. Gravity is theory, not a scientific fact. The reason it isn't a scientific fact is... well, can you show me gravity? Go ahead, drop a ball. All i see is that ball dropping, not gravity. Whats that? You say there is gravity because the ball is dropping? Well show me the gravity that is making the ball drop. See not everything in science can be proven, but theory's can be presented and sometimes can be proven in the future, sometimes cant. Sig by IkuraiYour Guide to Posting! Behave or I will send my Moose mounted Beaver launchers at you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I dont think theorys can be proved, just be strengthened by data which matches to the theory. Gravity, or a force pulling us to the earth, or the earth to the sun, is true, and it exists because we feel it. But there are many other things such as the exchange particles or different magnitudes per mass unit which have been recorded. Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralinre Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Masterdez, is there such a thing as truth? "In so far as I am Man I am the chief of creatures. In so far as I am a man I am the chief of sinners." - G.K. Chesterton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 If truth is an opinion, no. If truth is a fact, maybe. Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralinre Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 If truth is an opinion, no. If truth is a fact, maybe. Please explain. Allow me to rephrase. A simple definition of truth is "saying what is." Can we do this? "In so far as I am Man I am the chief of creatures. In so far as I am a man I am the chief of sinners." - G.K. Chesterton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Well if someone thinks they are saying the truth, it will be an opinion, and no opinions are true or false? If someone, lets call him/her a scientist, says gravity exists, a force pulling all masses in the universe together, this would be close to the truth from our view as from what we can see it it is true, but as we havent seen all masses in the universe how can we know its true universally? So thats why i said "maybe". I think we can come close to the truth, and it does depends on what you're talking about but perhaps the truth is too complex for us to understand. Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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