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As of 10minutes ago you don't actually need to kill Hati to recharge your gloves fyi. Logged in on pure, put on gloves to go kill and they had 100% charge without so much as seeing Hati.

OP would be better off killing them in CT, which is why I said that void helm is no good. Not much reason to kill them in AC. And his stats are more than sufficient: I was able to get a great kill rate with flat 90 melees. OP was also asking a question about both, not asking which is better. @OP, CT will generally be better than AC unless you fail somehow, or want to pay less attention. If you're just looking mainly for gear, etc, to use: http://tip.it/runescape/?page=waterfiends.htm#chaostunnels

Void not having helm scrolls will have no effect whatsoever in AC wfs, and he didn't ask about black demons or charms in general.. Not sure about the first question as have never done CT wfs But for the second, void is a great option. And SS flashing is a great way to stay indefinitely (although for maximum killing speed, piety is better), and Goliath gloves are awesome for wfs.

Mod Edit: Quote of rule-breaking post removed. Also, void>pernix, for the fact that the difference lost from cannonball accuracy will be more than made up for by chin accuracy and damage.

Take some nature+fire runes to alch all the rune weapons and helms

I've tried it and honestly, rapier destroys PPS there. Only 94 magic but yeah I'd suggest trying both ways out and see which one you like best. If you're going for fastest, I'd say rapier.

Never been and just got a Greater Demon task so looking to try them out. What would be the best set-up/invent to use? Looked at Runewiki and at the moment my set-up is: Slayer helm, Gano top+bottom, ardy cape, fury, dfs, CR, barrows gloves, dragon boots and row. Darklight for spec or EEE (not sure which I should use), Zammy arrow for protection getting kc. Would that be a viable set-up? Or should I switch cape/shield/gano out? Not concerned with up-keep cost of Gano either. What invent should I use? Have OVLs and probably switching from war tort to unicorn. thanks!

in after elitism and inb4 "you need overloads now otherwise you suck" you do not *need* a rapier as soon as possible. you can do perfectly fine with a whip until you decide you need a rapier. However, the rest of above peoples comments ring true. farming, slayer, questing, herblore are the ones to work on now youre a member. summoning too when you decide to do so He never said you *need* a rapier. He said it's worth getting asap, big difference. On topic: Look at your quest list, make sure filter is checked off and start on quests, a lot give good exp and are relatively easy and quick to do at your level.

Like mage w/o the base exp

Aside from the exp difference, rune saving and certain npcs that are weak to fire spells, PPS is better in all other situations in terms of dps (after SOA of course), plus it is the cheapest by far.

PPS is much better than Fire Surge Math (ctrl-f -> polypore) http://forums.zybez.net/user/344272-grimy-bunyip/page__tab__topics Graph https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AldEhLOK6ejJdDAzQVRQS0Z0eHpwalpUM0YtZjBQbGc#gid=0

I've fought him with Void and with Karils, no difference. The only thing that does make a noticeable difference is defense level. Not armor, which is why you go for max offensive bonuses. And no, you really cannot compare the two, maybe give them both the same weapons and have everything minus the armor the same. Even then like I said, one example means nothing. I destroyed a guy with a Cmaul while I used Goliath Gloves and had more than half food left, therefore, by the logic of comparing one item, Goliath Gloves must be twice as good.

You don't know what you're talking about at all. No. You don't. You're an idiot. Compare brews used on this... You're an idiot. Because we all know one fight means everything. I destroyed a guy with a Cmaul while I used Goliath Gloves, with more than half my food left. Guess that means Goliath gloves are twice as good as Cmaul using your logic. Actually watched the video...how can you can compare a rapier fight with a "spork" fight? Also, the second one used a full inventory from the Yak, and he was using armour. Get some valid videos next time?

You don't know what you're talking about at all. No. You don't.

Protect melee works on last stages. Melee void is shit here without ovls and turm. How is melee void shit without them? Considering your defense doesn't affect his attacks in the slightest until his berserker mode.