wakka102

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. There is a difference between doing the legitimately and doing taking items from people and lying to take items from people. Honestly, I can't see how anybody can form an argument against luring. Do people of today really have that warped of a view on morality? That its ok, in anything, game or not, to lie and cheat people out of stuff? It's fine if you wanna argue you're silly little "loop holes" in the rules but its just wrong and really sad that the only way you can enjoy this game is to prey off other players who may not know the situation they are getting into. You should be ashamed. I'm done with this topic, this argument is pointless as nobody is going to change there minds about anything so I'm wasting a good Thursday afternoon arguing over a rule change. If people still choose to lure thats fine, but don't cry if you get banned and I won't be stupid enough to fall for it so it's no skin off my back.

sorry, the actual level is 119 combat, I thought they were lower level :oops:. I'll edit the topic. Thanks for all the feedback! :D

Really happy about the rule changes, glad Jagex finally acknowledged luring as scamming (even though it was in the first place, since its lying for personal gain). I don't have a bank pic, maybe someday in the future when there is more to look at.

You don't force, but you do lie for personal gain, and that has and always will be a scam.No one can ever prove I'm lieing. No one can ever prove I'm not going to drop items for a party. Again. It's that simple. Well sure, nobody can really prove anything accept for the basics, they can't prove a drop trade unless its witnessed. But it's still immoral and its still against the rules none the less. My point is that luring should have been against the rules in the first place and in a sense it was already, Jagex just is now acknowledging it.

Why do you keep coming back the idea of "forcing"? if it was forced it would be a bug not a scam. Scamming is lieing, you don't force anyone past the second trade screen however scamming is still there and its still against the rules, this is the same thing. Yea, lets just get rid of all the rules, lets let anybody do what they want, you find a bug? lets abuse it! ANARCHY! That would totally kill the game, rules are in place to make a good environment and to get the bad people out to leave the good community intact. You don't need to be lieing to take advantage of someone. There are different ways to say taking advantage of someone, and don't try to play dumb and not see what Jagex means by it. Sure, by trading items ingame its taking advantage of someone in a POSITIVE manner. Any kind of interaction can be considered "taking advantage of someone". Taking advantage of someone has an opposite negative version to it as well, which is where we get into the rules, don't tell me you can't understand that?

how is that moronic? Because you don't get your precious dirtily earned loot? If someone tried to lure me I'd probably do the same just so I could mess with them. They full deserve it. Thats not moronic at all. You don't force, but you do lie for personal gain, and that has and always will be a scam.

You just admitted to scamming by saying "We lie to get them to the area to lure them". You're leading them on, for personal gain. so according to you're logic item scamming should also be legal because they weren't forced to do the trade? Just because someone isnt forced to do it doesn't mean it shouldn't be against the rules. The ones that need to quit are the lurers. I'd rather have the annoying noobs then all the stuck up liers who shows off all the items they stole. Merchanting does not take advantage others at all. Who lies when you merchant? you look for deals that are a little under priced and then you sell it for a higher price. There is no lies involved in that. If you were lieing it would be item scamming which is totally diferent. Pking does not take advantage of others because you aren't lieing to anybody to get them there. They DID go there on there own, with items they were willing to risk. How does buying materials have anything to do with anything? I dont get you're point there. This game does not revolve around taking advantage of others? what do you mean???

Absolute Bull! it is nothing like the everyday leaf bladed spear scam, switching money amounts or anything like that! A player knows they are entering the wild as the warning sign appears. This rule update has been made due to the large number of 11 year olds complaining about their loss of rune... hell these people aren't even supposed to have accounts yet they change the rules to suit them! MONEY GRABBING SCUM! Stop messing around and let the game be played. Normal players who play for entertain not because of addiction are generally smart enough not to trade outside of a bank... the people that aren't need to learn the lesson to not be so bloody gullable! that was taken from the official site. Notice the bold. That is EXACLTY what you are doing! How can you not see that? It's been there since this rule was made! Honestly, it has less to do then the actual wilderness part and more to do with the fact that you said you would do something, yet didn't and led them into a trap! for person gain! that is scamming, its right there, read it and get it into you're head. I do agree that these people are not very smart. But they still don't deserve such rotten treatment. YOU are the reason this gaming community has gotten worse YOU are the definition of the rotten players in RS that everyone talks about. Earn money a decent way and stop trying to earn it in a immature manner.

You can't exactly ban that because its not breaking any rules. Luring only breaks rules because it involved lieing which is scamming. DK lurers don't say anything to you to deceive you and alot of DK lures could be unintentional (another team shows up and goes in as normal but then reolizes another team is there, however, its too late at that point). That means that everytime you enter the DK lair you're at risk for being reported as a lurer which isnt right.

Please don't post stuff like this. Luring is and has always been scamming. If you can't understand that simple fact they you are an idiot. Lieing and deceiving others is what defines a scam and thats exactly what lurers do, they lie and deceive. I knew it was coming and I'm sure with the increase in lurer's they new it was coming also. I'm not sure how it could be a reportable offence since it doesn't happen in the course of 30 seconds (or was it 1 minute?) but I'm glad to see this change, at least it might put off 50% of the lurer's that are currently out there. I love what Andrew had to say on this topic. It sums up what I think exactly although I do think the people who get lured (that aren't new players to the game) have the IQ of a carrot.

yes, tomarrow though, I got to go soon.

This place is HUGE, I know of several other good spots with 2 monsters that aren't far from the entrance. Plenty of room for people. They only did that in the Rcing abyss so that people wouldn't try to power train there (ancient magics, chinchompas, etc).

You contradicted yourself there. Scaming IS lieing. But lieing is not scamming. So no, I didn't. So you're saying it's perfectly fine to steal and mislead people and that it's not included at scamming? You're logic makes no sense at all. Lieing and misleading people are what defines scamming. To deny that is to deny that scamming even exists, which it does. The only reason that luring is not against the rules is because its impossible to report. It's a very drawn out process and there is no way to prove it through Jagex currently report system. Unless someone flat out says "I just lured you and took your stuff!" Which still doesnt prove it because the action is not being shown in play. I agree with Wakka. Jagex would ban luring in a second if it was easily reportable. To some degree people deserve to be lured it they being stuff into the wild. But I do have a problem with lurers decieving people into going into the wild. You LIED to them when you said you would sell or buy their items. You LIED if you said you weren't going to the wild. I also have a problem with you believing you're smarter than anyone because you can trick 10 year olds to go into the wild. The one thing that I find strange is these little kids have the reasoning abilities to figure out this game and raise enough money for a rare or something good, yet they don't have the reasoning to know not to take it near the wild. It seems almost like a paradox...

no, its just like any other area of rs, no different, no xp depletion, no prayer removal, no nothing.

I don't like keeping things to myself, I like to share :P That's the spirit of MMO's.

I'm surprised so many people dislike the 3rd age melee. I think its the prettiest set of armor in the game and I'm not just saying that because of it's price.

I'm assuming you've never used it, or you use the wrong location. I've never been attacked by a walker accept for entering the dungeon. Once I'm at them they do not wonder into my area. Other then for conversations or having not done the quest, it's almost stupid to use the tower past 116 combat. Plus I hate dropping all of those herbs and stuff, I like to bank them. Also, there is no need for more then 2 spawns, you'll never use more then that in the tower either. I'm talking about the fairy ring abyss, you're talking about the zamarok rcing abyss. They are not the same and you get full xp here, its the same as killing abyssal demons in the tower. I've been to the alternate abyss numerous times and I hate killing abyssal demons there. I only went there when a friend or 2 asked me to accompany them since they prefer it than the slayer tower. I said that the abyssal demons like to wander around and occasionally wander to where the walkers are. I have the quest cape and high enough herblore as someone on page one said that ppl with high slayer levels dont like doing quests or herblore. If you think that ppl over cbt lvl 116 are stupid to use the tower, that's your opinion, a rather closed minded and insulting opinion though, but you are entitled to your opinion. I only keep certain herbs so I can stay at the tower for about 2 to 3 hours without banking. I don't like killing the same 2 demons all the time and like to go from the entrance to where the agility chain is. It breaks the monotony of being there for so many hours. It's just illogical thats all. When the only difference between the two is one has a closer bank and the other doesn't. Anybody could see that. However we are all entitled to opinions so you can do as you want, I'm just getting opinions on the matter. Also, I'm not sure where you were killing them but I've never had any trouble with the walkers, ever.

You contradicted yourself there. Scaming IS lieing. But lieing is not scamming. So no, I didn't. So you're saying it's perfectly fine to steal and mislead people and that it's not included at scamming? You're logic makes no sense at all. Lieing and misleading people are what defines scamming. To deny that is to deny that scamming even exists, which it does. The only reason that luring is not against the rules is because its impossible to report. It's a very drawn out process and there is no way to prove it through Jagex currently report system. Unless someone flat out says "I just lured you and took your stuff!" Which still doesnt prove it because the action is not being shown in play.

you also are thinking of the rcing abyss, I'm not talking about the rcing abyss. You can recover pouches there as well. yes, thats true, forgive me :lol: .

you also are thinking of the rcing abyss, I'm not talking about the rcing abyss.

I'm assuming you've never used it, or you use the wrong location. I've never been attacked by a walker accept for entering the dungeon. Once I'm at them they do not wonder into my area. Other then for conversations or having not done the quest, it's almost stupid to use the tower past 116 combat. Plus I hate dropping all of those herbs and stuff, I like to bank them. Also, there is no need for more then 2 spawns, you'll never use more then that in the tower either. I'm talking about the fairy ring abyss, you're talking about the zamarok rcing abyss. They are not the same and you get full xp here, its the same as killing abyssal demons in the tower.

Every now and then I get an awesome task for Nechryaels, I head up there and look in the room next door to find players, mostly whom are 120+ in combat killing abyssal demons. Now I wonder, why is this? I've never used that spot ever since the fairy abyssal space came out I've never used that spot. For those who don't know the code is ALR. After getting 119 combat the ranger abyss monster's not longer attack you. This means that only the walkers are aggressive. There is an area with two demons side by side and no walkers around RIGHT NEXT TO THE RING ENTRANCE. This means that banking takes less then one minute to do and there's no need for more then two spawns... The day the rings came out I went there and thought "this place will be packed, banking is so fast you'll no longer have to leave any drops on the ground!" However I was astonished to find out that even now, I very rarely run into anybody down there on any world. If you are 119+ combat or 85 slayer, post why you still use the tower (if you even do). Or if you're neither of those, post anyway on the topic! I'm very curious on people's reasoning for tower for abyssal demon's anymore.

no, the whip is already strong enough, if not too strong. We don't need something stronger, at least not yet. Possibly something the same as a whip but can also poison like a dds? that might be nice but not something that hits harder...

which kind of lure was it and how can you fall for such a thing :?