Auberean

All games will be played using Yahoo Chess. All games will be G/45, with 0 second increments. This means that each player will have 45 total minutes of game time to use before they surrender on time. If you don't know what this means, or if you need any help setting it up using the yahoo system, just ask. Everyone will be paired using the Swiss System, an explanation of which can be found at that link. There will be five rounds. The Players/Current Rankings Forum Username -- Yahoo ID unknownmasterofnothing -- kenneyy88 (0-0-0) hiimben -- hiimben1 (0-0-0) knightlite -- purebloood (0-0-0) issy2 -- issy3256017 (0-0-0) devilsdragon -- dark_wolf274 (0-0-0) speedofsound -- A_fishers_son (0-0-0) jackalope14 -- jackalope16 (0-0-0) Auberean - AubereanC (0-0-0) incognito -- Tarty_Knickers (0-0-0) darkmage099 -- Bassguitarxplyr (0-0-0) azntemplar_00 -- harken203 (0-0-0) Notorious_Ice -- notorious_ice90 (0-0-0) sanday79 -- illogikal79 (0-0-0) fadfdfd -- mikenep24 (0-0-0) kelem_ryu -- kelem_ryu (0-0-0) Pairings For December 10th, 2006 Left=White, Right=Black unknownmasterofnothing -- Auberean incognito -- hiimben knightlite -- darkmage099 azntemplar_00 -- issy2 devilsdragon -- Notorious_Ice sanday79 -- speedofsound jackalope14 -- kelem_ryu fadfdfd (Bye) The winner reports the games. Any instances of lying should be brought to me. We have 15 players so someone had to get a bye for the first round, sorry about that. You have until Sunday, December 17th, 3 P.M. E.S.T. to complete your games. If one player does not show up for a game, the other wins. If both players do not show up, the game is drawn. No games after that date will be accepted, because we'll already be in the next round. I think I'm forgetting some things, so...if you have any questions, feel free to ask.

I thought they taught that style because when done properly, it's faster? Or maybe it just does less damage to your hands? Heard that somewhere. They probably teach it because they like to give everything it's own system and discourage people from being creative, lol. Personally, I never typed "properly" in the class. I passed doing it my way. I think it's because Frank Gilbreth Sr. taught his kids that system, and they became the fastest typists in the state(as well as being able to do two digit numbers in their heads faster then calculators) Yeah, that sounds a little more likely.

I can relate. I despise welfare. I'm not saying some people don't use it correctly, but some just use it to buy uneeded things. For example, I remember this kid who had gotten $2000 welfare, so what did he do with it you ask? He went out and bought a $1000 pair of shoes!! Garhh!! That makes me angry, because that's my parents well earned money. Given to these lazy people who can't work and earn a living like everyone else. You should not be buying these kinds of things unless you deserve them!! This is one reason I don't agree with Democrats, because they support higher welfare. :XD: I don't know how a kid got $2k welfare, but he's dumb if he spent half of it on some sneakers. They should be rather handed food coupons and other stuff non-exchangeable for money if they're caught doing that. It's not that simple. You pay less rent for your house if it was built by illegal immigrants, because the building costs were less. You pay less for some products because illegal immigrants may have produced them. If they really were an economic threat, they'd arrest all millions of them and send them back to Mexico. They're not. They will do jobs some american people wont even accept. They are an economic benefit. I've never really thought of it that way. I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject, so I'm open to most other people's ideas. Still, doesn't a system like this just perpetuate poor education? And what do you think it is saying to people who actually took the steps to obtain their citizenship?

I don't see anywhere being said the money is just shoved in front of them, they use the same services as other americans do (they *are* humans with needs). The $2.7k per household is clearly caused because they work below minimum wage. How do you expect them to earn more, say $40k a year like an average american? They're still allowed to take money from the government without paying back. What is it that makes America responsible for helping out the uneducated? This isn't about race, it's about citizenship. The first thing an illegal immigrant does is break the law by entering illegally. If that's the first thing they do and they get away with it, it says little about our system and teaches that the government can be stolen from. What I'm concerned with is that these people take the steps necessary to become citizens.

Source? I'm not real big on online sources, but this should be enough. You can search around on google if you want to find more links. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html Although, there is another interesting factor to this. The tax problem also seems to be caused by low education levels. It's interesting to see what we'll do and what will happen, because I'm really not able to predict anything with any degree of accuracy right now.

I thought they taught that style because when done properly, it's faster? Or maybe it just does less damage to your hands? Heard that somewhere.

That's not the immigration issue at all. Allowing immigration isn't altruistic. Immigrants tend to do lower paid work, which means that you can buy things like houses, and get service in restaurants, for a cheaper price. The UK has recently had a similar debate... since the UK recently opened up its borders to some Eastern European countries, and had 600,000 immigrants (in a country with a population of about 60m) when the government had predicted 16,000. Sounds like a disaster? Far from it: "80% of new arrivals in the UK are working people aged between 18 and 35" "One study, by the accountancy firm Grant Thornton, concluded that as much as one percentage point of UK growth in 2005 and 2006 was contributed by migrants." Most people in this thread are talking about immigrants getting welfare. But no one has posted any figures. I expect the figures are similar to the UK. Immigrants work hard, and aren't on welfare. And this is related to the debate about the 14th Amendment... because you are all assuming that the problem with it is that immigrants are cheating the system to get citizenship, and then lounging about taking your tax money. Far from it. (and for the record.. I'm not massively liberal when it comes to these kinds of social issues. I've lived in an area of the UK that has a high proportion of migrants, and it makes me a bit uncomfortable. But, you can't argue with figures like those above.) Maybe I was going a little off-topic there. The main point of my argument, or what I was trying to make it, is that immigrants protected by their citizen children are given federal benefits regardless of whether or not they pay taxes. That's not to say every single immigrant sits around and does nothing all day, but there still are a large portion who do, costing states (mainly California) billions of dollars each year.

Still be alive. I take that back. Alive with a nicer car.

Some of the better information in this thread.

Comes and goes, I don't see how it could be harmful to anyone.

But put yourself in the parents' shoes, when you (if you do) became a parent, wouldn't it be nice to have a cute little robot bidding your will all his/her life? Tell him to get good grades, check. Make a million and give half of it to daddy. Check. You are right though, most "smart" people only study because they've been brainwashed by their parents. I have to disagree partially though because when I was in school I did meet some truly smart people who studied and were good at it because of their own motivation. I know, not everyone is like that. I just think one of the more important factors of education (or at least, one that makes it enjoyable) is wanting to learn about what you're interested in. I once asked a previous high school Valedictorian why she wanted to become a doctor. "Uhhhh.....".

This game is great to play with friends whenever at all possible. It's got Spinal Tap!

I've never really liked how most of the people recognized as "smart" work so hard for their degrees because their parents told them to, and never really thought about what they wanted to do with their lives. Otherwise, school isn't so bad.

The main point of this post is "Does the 14th Amendment need updating?" Everyone else seems to be turing it into a discussion of illegal immigration and immigrants' rights in general. Which is basically a whole 'nother issue in itself ("Where do we draw the line between helping others and preserving our own quality of life").

The JaGeX chess system has been down for years, I believe.

Aaaaand we're done here. Night folks, thanks for coming.

Isn't this post evidence that the past has happened? I'm confused. Dec 04, 2006 6:06 pm, you know?

The whole relationship between speed and time has always blown my mind, for some reason. I really need to read more into that.

I ment fly around the WORLD and cross it withing a day. Then...you'd be back where you started, albeit you arrived there at an astronomical rate.

Yet the supreme court does not agree with your belief. How strange. You've lost me. Elaborate? The supreme court has always seen this law as being applicable to all races, not just blacks. Oh, of course. I was just stating that African-Americans were one of the main reasons the Amendment was brought up at that time. The whole Citizenship issue was already delt with in the Civil Rights Act of 1866.

Yet the supreme court does not agree with your belief. How strange. You've lost me. Elaborate?

I don't think that's how time zones work.

I'll get a round-robin style tournament set up if I see there's enough interest (about 10+ people).

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe immigrants, you know, come here to work and build up their savings so that their children can have normal lives? Living on welfare isn't as fun as you two think it is. My point there was that the illegal immigrants collect benefits without paying taxes.

The 14th amendment is based on english common law. If it was only intended for blacks, it would have had the words "African-Americans." I believe that was it's basic intention though, I think it was supposed to be a constitutional affirmation of the (reversal) of the Dred Scott case.