Zygimantas
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lol I dont even know whats being said on this thread anymore. You arent going to convince someone to drop their religion on a runescape fan site, nor are you going to convince someone to accept a religion. DROP IT
Yea... and I still don't see a problem with religion, as was my attitude at the beginning of the thread :P
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Maybe the primary objective for the westerners should be to help and take down/capture gaddafi? It seems like the fighting would slow down and ultimately cost less lives if him and his family are out of the picture...
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There is no greater courage and strength then to fight without arms while the other side uses them.
For 5 seconds, then you're a corpse along with your family. Sorry but you're delusional.
Alas, maybe sometimes war has to occur but it is not a prideful thing like many of the rebels are going about it.
They're not taking pride in the fact that they killed a human being, no they're happy that they stopped one more soldier who has no qualms about killing anyone for money.
This wont stop until Gadafii is dead; no matter what you think about how the world works he wont come down and sign Kumbaya.
Maybe in the short term it may seem like a bad idea. But in the long term a group of people refusing to kill is a much great message then a group of people killing and it has a better impact on the world as a whole. Either way, sometimes as a last resort war may need to occur...
And they are taking pride in that, just look at the videos, many of them want to kill people as much as the other side does.
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If only more "rebels" practiced non-violent resistance...
Yesterday a number of people in Misrata decided to do just that. Wanna know what happened? 40 dead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfydO-Z-D0M&feature=player_embedded
Did you even bother to watch the BBC Panorama video I posted above? Seriously you're all starting to sound like a broken record player.
The rebels rejoice in killing Ghadafi's forces and Ghadafi's forces rejoice in killing rebels. Both sides justifying killing for fear of being killed themselves. What is the difference between men being killed while attempting to kill and men being killed while laying down their arms? In the former both sides lose, in the later one side shows more strength then the other and exposes the fear and fragility of the other side. There is no greater courage and strength then to fight without arms while the other side uses them.
Alas, maybe sometimes war has to occur but it is not a prideful thing like many of the rebels are going about it.
" The death of many should be greeted with great sorrow, and the victory celebration should honor those who have died."
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I'm thinking of ending my relationship.
Hmm... why?
I've been finding for the past week or so that talking with her feels like a chore rather than something I look forward to her, and I'm also finding it annoying, even when I'm not doing anything else. As wrong as it is of me to do, I've avoided talking with her all day.
Yea, breaking up sounds like a good decision then.
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I'm thinking of ending my relationship.
Hmm... why?
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If only more "rebels" practiced non-violent resistance...
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Oh great, another war
^ My thoughts. Those humans and their obsession with killing each other :P
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Of all those people who were "gifted" in primary/elementary school, then lost it, I was that person who was the other way around. In what you Americans would call elementary, I joked around, did the work, and generally was well educated and intelligent. I had a problem with being arrogant and obnoxious, and would often speak out against the teachers. Within the later years, of about grade 7, I began to apply myself. I sat tests for extension courses both years at intermediate (what we call grade 6-7) but got denied. I took external tests and did incredibly well in them (we're looking at A+). Everyone was surprised. Continue into grade 8, the beginning year of high school. I got there, I did the absolute best in my class, which was a class of people who didn't take the extension maths, english or science. The management at the school noticed me and I got bumped up a year in learning. Finally :P. I'm now studying an English-based course, in what would be considered Grade 11/Junior. English, Drama, Classical Studies, History, Photography and Geography. I'm also one of the top in my school, and my public school is one of the top in NZ :P
You're not taking any sciences..?
Ha. Mywepons and his science :P
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So I spent two months and a good portion of my own time reading Red Storm Rising as a school assignment. It took two months because it's 720+ pages long and small print, not something I can really do often, but I wanted to set a challenge for myself. I was pretty proud when I got the thing done in time.
Today I was told by the teacher that, because very few other students read the books they chose, we have to pick a new book and do a new report. Including me.
Because others didn't do their work, my effort was wasted. :wall:
You achieved your goal nonetheless. Congratulations :D
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I might not think your claim is right, but I don't see a problem with it.
So everyone is free to just think whatever the hell they want to think about reality. Okay, great.
Pretty much. I don't know why one would restrict free thought. I mean its fine that you want people to side with you, but it doesn't mean you have to be against people who don't.
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This is kind of the thing I'd wish more people did. Honestly the thing I am against are the actual religious groups. You can believe in God if you want, after all we don't know one way or another. If you feel strongly about it (just as I feel strongly about there being no God) than it's totally fine, neither of us are wrong because neither of us know.
Do you also feel this way about other unknown information about the physical world?
What causes the force of gravity? Cause I'm going to claim that it is tiny tiny men who have telekinetic powers. Nobody knows so theres no problem with my claim.
I might not think your claim is right, but I don't see a problem with it.
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Life :)
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Yeah, they really haven't caught a break recently. And recently, northeastern USA is getting a massive snow and icestorm. [cabbage] just got real. Luckily enough for me I barely dodged the storm.
The winter storm in the US wasn't too bad-- at least where I live. It just rained a lot and -4C temperatures froze the water. Luckily it was also very windy, so the majority of the water dried off the roads. There were some snow flurries, but none of it really stuck to the ground.
I was on the periphery of the storm by the way. Not too far away from where I live, the storm was severe.
We had the 3rd largest blizzard in history here. ( Chicago)
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Yes, but how do we know that the laws are what they are? Because of our logic which comes from our perceptions. How do we know that either of those is correct? We don't. Of course you can learn thousands of facts about the universe and read about philosophies and all that, but in the end those might be as false as anything else. We are an object of existence, and we know existence because of our perceptions. But what happens when there is no one left to perceive? Existence becomes basically nothing. Perceptions are what make nothing seem like something. Nothing can come from something and something can come from nothing. Actually for nothing to exists something has to exist, and for something to exist nothing has to exist. Essentially something and nothing are one, because one can not exists without the other. Alas, existence and anything that comes out of it is one.
But all of this is plain [cabbage] so... meh :P
When there is no one left to perceive ten we cease to exist. The laws don't cease to exist. NOTHING ceases to exist until it "dies"--whether it be humans or a star above. everything stays the same until another big crunch.
What separates a human from an animal is that we understand existence and can discern as such. If we die, there will be nothing else to perceive what we cognitively can...but that doesn't mean existence no longer has meaning. Thats a blatant lie, intentional or not. Maybe, per say, YOU die, then your existence no longer means anything in the present moment...but everything else is still there and does exist. Same if all humans die--the earth, the stars, everything still exists and that doesn't devalue the existence simply because we, as humans, can't perceive it. If anything, that's an egocentric way of thinking.
Your next statements are also patently absurd and sound like appeals to ignorance. Something can come from nothing and vice versa? No. Absolutely not. Something doesn't have to exist for nothing to exist, that's a contradiction. You know what? I don't understand how you could've posted that last part. Its self contradictory and is an argument that sounds like it comes from a spawn of a beaten philosophical ideal. Like taking Nietzsche's Abyss quote and beating the [cabbage] out of it and posting it up. :/
Yes but what is everything? There is NO value of existence apart from what we perceive. Something doesn't have to exist for nothing to exist? Think about what is nothing, and then you will realize that even that is something. Something is nothing and nothing is something. If we only had nothing than what is happening now wouldn't be happening, and if we only had something then equally nothing would occur, because we need nothing for there to be a something or else something would have always had to be. So it can be that we came from nothing, that was in a way something as well. They are both practically the same thing, except our perceptions make it seem dualistic.
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I say God is evil to not release knowledge that would allow me to accept his existence, you might say that he asks for blind faith and he isnt subject to release knowledge to appease some puny human, however the most hardline way of thinking is that he made me this way and unless he made me to be thrown into hell then it is his duty to give me knowledge on the flaws I have previously stated.
Lol. I love you <3:
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Yes, humans created logic. So logic can maybe be considered "true" to humans, but is it true to the universe and any type of existence in general? We can't know with our logic. Since we can't prove the logic is true, because attempting to do so would be using logic anyway. Everything we think of is equally false.
Even this post can be considered all false.
The universe is indifferent to what we think because it is not a sentient being. As to it being true to any other type of existence, it would probably have to be on par or the same as our logic if it were, for example, a God because that God would have had to existed with the laws of the universe or be born with the laws of the universe that created them, and if he was here before the laws, that would beg the question as to how he got there, and who created him, creating a never ending paradox and therefore, for lack of a better word, silly.
As to other beings we don't know about...that's the problem. We don't know about them, so we can assume their non existence until we find credible evidence to other existences.
We can know our logic is true because it is still bound to natural laws around us, humans didn't arbitrarily make up random rules in which logic is bound to, but our universe had laws that logic must be bound to. Gravity, for example. The Laws of physics as another.
Again. Logic doesn't need to be proven true or false. Its not something which can be falsified or made truth because it is in tune with the laws of the universe and as such is already bound to be true. Nothing needed to "prove" something so abstract.
Edit: Apologies for any bad grammar or syntax errors. Its 3:20 here and I'm anxious about going back to my university tomorrow and therefore can't get to sleep. :P
Yes, but how do we know that the laws are what they are? Because of our logic which comes from our perceptions. How do we know that either of those is correct? We don't. Of course you can learn thousands of facts about the universe and read about philosophies and all that, but in the end those might be as false as anything else. We are an object of existence, and we know existence because of our perceptions. But what happens when there is no one left to perceive? Existence becomes basically nothing. Perceptions are what make nothing seem like something. Nothing can come from something and something can come from nothing. Actually for nothing to exists something has to exist, and for something to exist nothing has to exist. Essentially something and nothing are one, because one can not exists without the other. Alas, existence and anything that comes out of it is one.
But all of this is plain [cabbage] so... meh :P
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They are equal to the next. You can not prove that human logic is true. Therefor any of our thoughts can basically be said to be false. Yes, even that one ;)
Human logic need not be true OR false because humans created logic and therefore are the only beings that can comprehend logic at all. No other being we know of can develop complex thought like us. There is no such thing as any other type of logic, so the "Human Logic" statement is just silly. Its just simply logic because we created a critical way of thinking that would help us to discover the universe as we perceive it. Its a word to describe the process of thinking critically, in other words.
Yes, humans created logic. So logic can maybe be considered "true" to humans, but is it true to the universe and existence in general? We can't know with our logic. Since we can't prove the logic is true, because attempting to do so would be using logic anyway. Everything we think of is equally false.
Even this post can be considered all false.
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Come on, you're being ridiculous. I could make any claim and use your arguments. I own a pen that keeps tigers away. Oh, you want to see this pen? Sorry, can't do that. You want proof that this pen keeps tigers away? ... Do you see any tigers? How does it work? Oh, I can't explain that to you. The pen is beyond your logic. This pen draws from the essence of EVERYTHING. How can you test for its power's existence if it is the essence of everything? You will never find scientific evidence because the power that binds this pen is not some type of force or shape. It is beyond it. There is really nothing to find.
It's absolutely ridiculous, [developmentally delayed]ed and down-right stupid to believe in a god without ANY evidence, let alone a specific god(for example, the Judeo-Christian god) if you've thought it through. Using your arguments, like sephiroth said, one would have to accept every supernatural claim as equally likely as the next.
They are equal to the next. You can not prove that human logic is true. Therefor any of our thoughts can basically be said to be false. Yes, even that one ;)
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But it would be so extremely stupid to believe in a god just because, "Oh, he MIGHT be beyond logic!" and, "It's POSSIBLE that he exists!".
Of course. Because that's using your logic to think about him being beyond logic. Some eastern mystics say "Be still and know", and by that they mean be still physically and mentally. There is no effort, or thinking required to "know" god. But this is not referencing to knowing god as a separate entity or with any characteristics, because god is beyond logic.
That is an inconsistent statement. If the deity is beyond logic, then he is illogical. Also, since he is no longer bound by the realms of logic, one would have to accept every supernatural claim as equally likely as the next.
Also, if God is beyond the realm of logic, then how can one make the claim of his existence? Without logic the claim would have to be completely made up. Also, if God created the universe, then we should be able to test parts of the universe to find his existence within reality--which is bound to logic and science.
Surely can seem "illogical". God doesn't have to be logical though. I say accept what you feel is true. I don't have to make the claim of his existence. And how can you test for something's "existence" if it is the essence of everything? You will never find scientific evidence because god is not some type of force or shape. It is beyond it. There is really nothing to find.
Again, all of this can easily be "false". For I can not prove that any type of human logic and therefore the "facts" that come of it are true.
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Such is life. :(
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But it would be so extremely stupid to believe in a god just because, "Oh, he MIGHT be beyond logic!" and, "It's POSSIBLE that he exists!".
Of course. Because that's using your logic to think about him being beyond logic. Some eastern mystics say "Be still and know", and by that they mean be still physically and mentally. There is no effort, or thinking required to "know" god. But this is not referencing to knowing god as a separate entity or with any characteristics, because god is beyond logic.
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I don't disagree with you. I just don't seem to mind as much as you do. If one man thinks his life is a gift from a higher power then thats fine. He has the right to think what he wants, maybe this belief will allow him to enjoy his life more than many other people can. Then there could also be an atheist who doesn't believe in a higher power but also makes the most out of his life and enjoys the time that he has. There might be a Buddhist who spends most of his life meditating trying to find peace in himself and others.It's just life and we all experience it differently. Variety in human thoughts and beliefs is limitless, but it's ok. Some beliefs may seem evil and to others they may seem good. Variety is the spice of life... and I don't mind.